Your typing of forum members

[Rusal]

@Alive, why do you type Coeruleum IEI? Supposing his/her hypothetical answers to a typing questionnaire or a general view of him/herself is closer to beembo as EIE and even for EIE-H in Gulenko's views retains its traits, read: no continuous ‘time stopping’ to the point it becomes a psychological obstacle, not going deep statically and long fantastically but rather be active in a more social sphere, tendency to overdramatize, social ascendency, a desire to draw the attention. Etc, in short characteristics G. used to type beembo EIE and far from Ni weakening radiance.

[Metamorph]

@Alive, why do you type Coeruleum IEI? Supposing his/her hypothetical answers to a typing questionnaire or a general view of him/herself is closer to beembo as EIE and even for EIE-H in Gulenko's views retains its traits, read: no continuous ‘time stopping’ to the point it becomes a psychological obstacle, not going deep statically and long fantastically but rather be active in a more social sphere, tendency to overdramatize, social ascendency, a desire to draw the attention. Etc, in short characteristics G. used to type beembo EIE and far from Ni weakening radiance.

He blocked me for asking the same thing without the same references you made. Alive thinks all Gulenko's EIEs are IEIs because Alive thinks self-typed EIEs are people who want to be actors (despite the mentor label being the more popular one due to Gulenko and everyone literate knowing this) and not people who have looked at all the Reinin dichotomies and example EIEs (usually Shakespeare and Goethe rather than Hilter and Mussolini) who have been collected and deciding this makes more sense than any other type despite socionics being a rather pseudoscientific theory as @Northstar said.

Of course, one of the premises of Alive's theory is almost all famous people are IEI because only IEIs would care about being famous... which assumes that the primary reason people become famous is because they have a desire for celebrity rather than because they did something. So Alive basically throws out all celebrities as potential type examples of anything other than IEI. If you like working on cars and get paid for it professionally, for example, you can't compare yourself to the Wright brothers and say you're an ILE inventor because clearly everyone famous is an IEI so working on cars is an IEI thing to do. All these constant comparisons to celebrities are slightly presumptuous-feeling but also not really when that is very much the yardstick for the types to begin with. People who are well-known are easier to talk about due to the fact everyone knows what you mean at least.

[Squirrel]

Defending his train of logic is fine, but I feel that in doing so you have to be open to it being disputed. This is a typology forum, people are going to debate and exchange ideas here.
If the logic isn’t ironclad enough when it goes against the grain so hard, though, then disputes are going to pop up. I’m personally not averse to some new type of Socionics-based typology being created by someone, that’s how progress is made after all.

But a lot of how Alive comes to his conclusions seems very narrow-minded, in a sense. Like others have suggested, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was IEI after all. Despite his apparent resentment against others piling in on him, and saying the forum is a land of drama, it honestly seems like he’s revelling in all the external adversity. Is an LII really going to stick it out on here, when everyone is attacking their train of logic, without eventually tapping out and staying away to develop their theory on their own? Seems more like Se-seeking than Se-vulnerable to me.
Moreover, Alive himself has openly mentioned on several occasions that he’s been wanting to test his theories here and to develop ideas for it, more or less. This kind of sounds a lot like Ti-mobilising here, rather than Ti-base. Ti-bases, from my understanding, don’t need to test their logic externally, because internally it’s the one thing that they’re actually 100% certain of. They can be fundamentally convinced otherwise, but it takes an *extremely* strong argument built on logic to do so, enough to move heaven and earth. Ti-mobilising needs to have its internal logic checked, if they didn’t they wouldn’t have Ti-creatives as their duals.

Anyway, I don’t know why it was your comment that caused all that to come tumbling out. Alive isn’t doing ‘harm’, per se, but I don’t blame people for being irritated either. I don’t dislike him, but I don’t want his ideas to go untested either.

I know two LII-Ti and two LII-Ne , I can confirm what you're saying by comparing them

Even just by comparing their way of responding to others criticizing them with Alive's way

All of them can write a ten-page essay explaining their point of view (which is often persuasive and well organized) they don't attack others, but calmly point out errors in their interlocutor points and correct them

Only one LII-Ne can openly call people idiots (but he wouldn't do that in the middle of an argument or insult his interlocutor )

This behavior is never found in (Alive), although he does explain his point of view sometimes, but it is short, "messy" and disorganized compared to them

He claims that everyone is attacking him

He talks about his understanding of functions and his studying the theory for many years and how he's the only " expert " while everybody got to know the theory this morning and know nothing about functions , he also attacks others typing when they criticize them and calls them stalkers

He says that he does not want to waste his time when he actually does

He responds in a childish manner compared to what I expect from LII

[lavos]

Anybody here absolutely sure of their type?

I need a sample of people to test the validity of Russian Socionics test consisting of 16 questions

I'm pretty sure, having experienced duality, conflict, and supervision. Count me in if you want to try out that test.

[Squirrel]

@get R @Lady Lioness @lavos

Here's the link

http://typtest.ru/hybrid.htm#

You can find starting test bottom here , it's small



Please send me the result when you finish

[lavos]

@get R @Lady Lioness @lavos

Here's the link

http://typtest.ru/hybrid.htm#

You can find starting test bottom here , it's small



Please send me the result when you finish

Here is my result:

• ILI-«Balzac»: 11.73
• ILE-«Don Quixote»: 12.38
• LEE-Jack London: 12.4
• SLI-«Gabin»: 13.95
• LII-Robespierre: 14.02
• EIE-Hamlet: 14.23
• EII-"Dostoevsky": 19.43
• IEE-Huxley: 21.85
• SLE-«Zhukov»: 22.04
• ESI-Dreiser: 23.7
• LSE-"Stirlitz": 23.71
• LSI-«Maksim Gorky»: 25.51
• SEI-«Dumas»: 25.65
• IEE-"Yesenin": 28.83
• SEE-Napoleon: 32.33
• ESE-Hugo: 41.3

Pretty decent test btw, I hope I could know what each question tests for exactly.

[Aquamarine]

I'm somewhat sure of my type but I did it to see anyways (you don't have to count me in)

SLI-Gabin: 14.42
EII-Dostoevsky: 19.04
OR-Balzac: 23.65
SEI-Dumas: 24.59
LSI-Maxim Gorky: 25.62
LII-Robespierre: 26.83
LSE-Stirlitz: 27.81
ESI-Dreiser: 30.11
LIE-Jack London: 32.57
IEI-"Yesenin": 34.41
EIE-Hamlet: 35.28
IEE-Huxley: 38.51
ILE-Don Quixote: 40.47
SLE-Zhukov: 44.73
ESE-"Hugo": 47.72
SEE-Napoleon: 55.33

I think I know why it gave me a bunch of logic types. There's things I guess it expects an ethical type to do that I just can't.

[Squirrel]

Here is my result:

• ILI-«Balzac»: 11.73
• ILE-«Don Quixote»: 12.38
• LEE-Jack London: 12.4
• SLI-«Gabin»: 13.95
• LII-Robespierre: 14.02
• EIE-Hamlet: 14.23
• EII-"Dostoevsky": 19.43
• IEE-Huxley: 21.85
• SLE-«Zhukov»: 22.04
• ESI-Dreiser: 23.7
• LSE-"Stirlitz": 23.71
• LSI-«Maksim Gorky»: 25.51
• SEI-«Dumas»: 25.65
• IEE-"Yesenin": 28.83
• SEE-Napoleon: 32.33
• ESE-Hugo: 41.3

Pretty decent test btw, I hope I could know what each question tests for exactly.

Your type is the third , nice

btw , I got LSI>LSE>ESI
Maybe I should consider LSE possible if the test is accurate but I have to wait more and see more results

[Squirrel]

I'm somewhat sure of my type but I did it to see anyways (you don't have to count me in)

SLI-Gabin: 14.42
EII-Dostoevsky: 19.04
OR-Balzac: 23.65
SEI-Dumas: 24.59
LSI-Maxim Gorky: 25.62
LII-Robespierre: 26.83
LSE-Stirlitz: 27.81
ESI-Dreiser: 30.11
LIE-Jack London: 32.57
IEI-"Yesenin": 34.41
EIE-Hamlet: 35.28
IEE-Huxley: 38.51
ILE-Don Quixote: 40.47
SLE-Zhukov: 44.73
ESE-"Hugo": 47.72
SEE-Napoleon: 55.33

I think I know why it gave me a bunch of logic types. There's things I guess it expects an ethical type to do that I just can't.

It's in the fourth
I'll count you for sure

[lavos]

It's in the fourth
I'll count you for sure

I wouldn't. Those results are a bit strange. The conflictor type should be lower. Some people simply do not fare well with tests.

[lavos]

Your type is the third , nice

btw , I got LSI>LSE>ESI
Maybe I should consider LSE possible if the test is accurate but I have to wait more and see more results

Give it to FreelancePoliceman who I'm pretty sure is LII-Ne to see what he gets.

[Aquamarine]

I wouldn't. Those results are a bit strange. The conflictor type should be lower. Some people simply do not fare well with tests.

I think that's true of me. I've never even gotten SEI as my type on a test before

[Squirrel]

@get R @Lady Lioness @lavos

Here's the link

http://typtest.ru/hybrid.htm#

You can find starting test bottom here , it's small



Please send me the result when you finish

@FreelancePoliceman try this

[lavos]

I think that's true of me. I've never even gotten SEI as my type on a test before

My humble opinion: you're too good with Fi to be a SEI. SEI's are more boorish and annoying to me usually (due to their +Si base). You give off a vibe that you are a bit "unhappy" or something, so that might affect your test results or self-awareness / self-resporting ability a bit.

Cheer up girl !

[Ave]

Changing my type :

1- is not of your business

2- doesn't take away my right to discuss with you (since we are in a public forum)

and even Socionics real experts mistyped themselves, some of them you typed them completely different from their self-typing , does this mean that they do not have the right to deal with Socionics ?

You say it's not his business as to why you change types, then you claim it's your "right" to discuss with him. It clearly does discredit someone when they can't make up their mind on something, yet defend it their current opinion on that thing like some religious nut. And then, to top off, they claim it is their "right" to discuss with people who bring up these facts, yet don't address anything the other person says.

[Ave]

Idk why everyone gets mad at alive for over-typing IEI when Gulenko has the same problem (instead with beta rationals)

Why are those things problems?

[Squirrel]

You say it's not his business, then you claim it's your "right" to discuss with him.

And what's wrong with what I wrote?

[Ave]

And what's wrong with what I wrote?

I added a bit to my post if you're curious, but I think your whole attitude towards Alive is what's wrong. He hasn't done anything wrong to you.

[adage]

• OR-"Balzac": 7.85
• SLI-Gabin: 11.47
• LII-Robespierre: 13.68
• LIE-Jack London: 18.87
• EII-Dostoevsky: 21
• ILE-Don Quixote: 22.4
• EIE-Hamlet: 22.65
• LSE-Stirlitz: 23.86
• IEE-Huxley: 26.19
• SEI-Dumas: 26.54
• SLE-Zhukov: 28
• ESI-Dreiser: 29.88
• LSI-Maxim Gorky: 30.78
• IEI-"Yesenin": 33.98
• SEE-Napoleon: 47.76
• ESE-"Hugo": 51.45

ILI fisrt is the usual for me, but the rest is a bit odd, at least I got conflictor last.

[Poptart]

Why are those things problems?

I don’t wanna talk about this with you

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

Your type is the third , nice

btw , I got LSI>LSE>ESI
Maybe I should consider LSE possible if the test is accurate but I have to wait more and see more results

The sociotype for which your answers are most characteristic will correspond to the LOWEST numerical value.
It is recommended to consider three types with minimum values ​​as possible options.

• SEI-Dumas: 17.43
• IEE-"Huxley": 19.74
• LSI-Maxim Gorky: 19.98
• EII-Dostoevsky: 20.41
• SLI-"Gaben": 20.58
• IEI-"Esenin": 22.85
• OR-Balzac: 23.37
• EIE-Hamlet: 24.91
• LII-Robespierre: 26.19
• LSE-Stirlitz: 27.29
• ESI-"Dreiser": 29.96
• SE-"Napoleon": 30.68
• ILE-Don Quixote: 30.78
• ESE-"Hugo": 31.63
• LIE-Jack London: 31.69
• SLE-Zhukov: 31.71

Terrible test imo. I answered a lot of them as "difficult to answer" and I feel like it expected me as an Se valuing type to know how to handle a team or whatever, but I'm too introverted for that shit. I am not loud, outspoken, or outwardly expressive enough for that. My thing is more 1 on 1. (I had RL in mind more when taking this test.) My Se approach with individuals also varies, it's very personalized toward each person. I have to gauge their limits before I engage. The "force" that picks one up is the same "force" that mows someone else down. You can't just use the same approach for everyone. Not unless you want to be a steamroller.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I don't think I'm IEI Fe. I think I'm just hypersensitive to how Ni can make people feel bad, so I sugarcoat my own Hannibal-ness. My mom probably raised me to be a lot less Ni cuz it's her PoLR lol. But in reality I'm more coldly reading ppl than contributing to the warmth of the atmosphere I think, esp. IRL.

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

I don't think I'm IEI Fe. I think I'm just hypersensitive to how Ni can make people feel bad, so I sugarcoat my own Hannibal-ness. My mom probably raised me to be a lot less Ni cuz it's her PoLR lol. But in reality I'm more coldly reading ppl than contributing to the warmth of the atmosphere I think, esp. IRL.

Fi is also my dad's PoLR and I grew up with him trying to squash it and make me more logical. Lol. I'd say maybe that's why I tested as LSI, but I am not in the grip of all of that anymore, so it wouldn't make sense.

[DEAD]

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So yup, I am my own damn PoLR, makes sense.

[Metamorph]

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So yup, I am my own damn PoLR, makes sense.

"Robespierre" for LII's historical figure.

[Metamorph]

You say it's not his business as to why you change types, then you claim it's your "right" to discuss with him. It clearly does discredit someone when they can't make up their mind on something, yet defend it their current opinion on that thing like some religious nut. And then, to top off, they claim it is their "right" to discuss with people who bring up these facts, yet don't address anything the other person says.

Maybe Alive would be more justified if Alive addressed anything I said or anything many other users here said. Alive is so unjustified Missmessy not making up her mind seems minor.

[DEAD]

"Robespierre" for LII's historical figure.

Yeah, and Napoelon for SEE. Didn't they change those and commonly disagree with those being both types historical figures?

[ContractedCriminalboy]

@get R @Lady Lioness @lavos

Here's the link

http://typtest.ru/hybrid.htm#

You can find starting test bottom here , it's small



Please send me the result when you finish

I got this:
LSE-Stirlitz: 9.66
SLE-Zhukov: 9.76
LIE-Jack London: 10.92
LII-Robespierre: 12.85
LSI-Maxim Gorky: 13.14
OR-"Balzac": 13.3
ESI-Dreiser: 13.41
SLI-Gabin: 15.3
EIE-Hamlet: 15.59
EII-Dostoevsky: 17.59
IEE-Huxley: 17.59
ILE-Don Quixote: 20.49
SEI-Dumas: 21.78
SEE-Napoleon: 28.04
IEI-"Yesenin": 31.26
ESE-Hugo: 35.37

[Manatroid92]

Here's the link

http://typtest.ru/hybrid.htm#

You can find starting test bottom here , it's small



Please send me the result when you finish

Apologies if you didn't want me to take it, as I can understand if I seem unsure of my type (I'm 90% sure I'm Beta NF though), but I posted my results in the spoilers below. If you don't want to see them, no worries.
I was too curious, I just had to take the test.

• IEI-"Esenin": 14.98
• ILE-Don Quixote: 18.36
• EII-Dostoevsky: 18.4
• SEI-Dumas: 20.29
• SLI-"Gaben": 21.22
• EIE-Hamlet: 22.47
• IEE-"Huxley": 23.43
• LII-Robespierre: 23.45
• OR-Balzac: 26.57
• ESI-"Dreiser": 28.2
• SE-"Napoleon": 29.23
• LSI-Maxim Gorky: 30.5
• LSE-Stirlitz: 32.39
• LIE-Jack London: 33.99
• ESE-"Hugo": 34.44
• SLE-Zhukov: 40.11

Some of the questions were a bit hard to answer as I feel like I haven't been in situations where they would apply (eg. asking about keeping strict discipline in a group), so that might have skewed me further towards introverted NF. Hard to say.

[FreelancePoliceman]

@FreelancePoliceman try this

• SLI-Gabin: 9.72
• OR-"Balzac": 10.94
• LII-Robespierre: 14.34
• LIE-Jack London: 15.12
• EII-Dostoevsky: 16.17
• SEI-Dumas: 17.33
• LSE-Stirlitz: 18.04
• EIE-Hamlet: 18.56
• LSI-Maxim Gorky: 20.37
• IEE-Huxley: 22.33
• ESI-Dreiser: 22.6
• SLE-Zhukov: 23.98
• ILE-Don Quixote: 24.13
• IEI-"Yesenin": 25.8
• ESE-"Hugo": 33.94
• SEE-"Napoleon": 39.26

[ContractedCriminalboy]

• SLI-Gabin: 9.72
• OR-"Balzac": 10.94
• LII-Robespierre: 14.34
• LIE-Jack London: 15.12
• EII-Dostoevsky: 16.17
• SEI-Dumas: 17.33
• LSE-Stirlitz: 18.04
• EIE-Hamlet: 18.56
• LSI-Maxim Gorky: 20.37
• IEE-Huxley: 22.33
• ESI-Dreiser: 22.6
• SLE-Zhukov: 23.98
• ILE-Don Quixote: 24.13
• IEI-"Yesenin": 25.8
• ESE-"Hugo": 33.94
• SEE-"Napoleon": 39.26

ILI higher than LII, it's confirmed. I keep finding more and more evidence towards your being ILI and needing an SEE in your life by the day, it's just overwhelming at this point!

[welcometomania]

@get R @Lady Lioness @lavos

Here's the link

http://typtest.ru/hybrid.htm#

You can find starting test bottom here , it's small



Please send me the result when you finish

LSE-Stirlitz: 17.87
LIE-Jack London: 18.23
LSI-Maxim Gorky: 20.95
ESI-Dreiser: 27.13
SLE-Zhukov: 27.83
SLI-Gabin: 29.85
LII-Robespierre: 32.29
EII-Dostoevsky: 33.32
OR-"Balzac": 38.14
EIE-Hamlet: 39.13
SEI-Dumas: 40.99
IEE-Huxley: 45.12
ESE-"Hugo": 46.81
ILE-Don Quixote: 49.35
IEI-"Yesenin": 54.62
SEE-"Napoleon": 55.32
Go to the description of the sociotype LSE-"Stirlitz"

Additional Information:

Average responses: -0.3125

Correction factor: 1.1851851851851851

[Tallmo]

Very interesting. I just answered as honestly as I could, and it gave me my type.

• SEI-Dumas: 16.59
• EII-Dostojevskij: 18.45
• IEI-"Yesenin": 18.67
• ESI-Dreiser: 20,72
• ESE-"Hugo": 22.44
• EIE-Hamlet: 22.51
• SLI-Gabin: 24,64
• LSE-Stirlitz: 25.29
• LSI-Maxim Gorky: 25,58
• LII-Robespierre: 26.17
• IEE-Huxley: 27.45
• ILE-Don Quijote: 28.23
• LIE-Jack London: 31,82
• OR-Balzac: 32,52
• SE-"Napoleon": 33.15
• SLE-Zjukov: 42,08

[The Reality Denialist]

• ILE-Don Quixote: 14.29
• IEI-"Yesenin": 16.81
• EIE-Hamlet: 21.67
• EII-Dostoevsky: 24.17
• LII-Robespierre: 24.82
• IEE-Huxley: 25.55
• SEI-Dumas: 25.85
• SEE-Napoleon: 28.07
• OR-"Balzac": 30.5
• ESE-"Hugo": 33.36
• SLI-Gabin: 35.23
• ESI-Dreiser: 37.67
• LSE-Stirlitz: 42
• LIE-Jack London: 42.08
• LSI-Maxim Gorky: 42.1
• SLE-Zhukov: 46.38

[Squirrel]

• ILE-Don Quixote: 14.29
• IEI-"Yesenin": 16.81
• EIE-Hamlet: 21.67
• EII-Dostoevsky: 24.17
• LII-Robespierre: 24.82
• IEE-Huxley: 25.55
• SEI-Dumas: 25.85
• SEE-Napoleon: 28.07
• OR-"Balzac": 30.5
• ESE-"Hugo": 33.36
• SLI-Gabin: 35.23
• ESI-Dreiser: 37.67
• LSE-Stirlitz: 42
• LIE-Jack London: 42.08
• LSI-Maxim Gorky: 42.1
• SLE-Zhukov: 46.38

You give me the vibe of ILE honestly but I'm not saying you're one

[The Reality Denialist]

You give me the vibe of ILE honestly but I'm not saying you're one

Well,it is interesting. I have made considerations about my Ti and it is like dragging along and the fun thing is that you practically never hear it in IRL in categorical way they use it + I have to jump through huge loops to make my Ni ignoring.

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

@get R @Lady Lioness @lavos

Here's the link

http://typtest.ru/hybrid.htm#

You can find starting test bottom here , it's small



Please send me the result when you finish

Attempting to capture someone's personality type with 16 questions seems really unrealistic. Just making a point about the test.

[Ikite iru]

• SLI-Gabin: 21.38
• OR-Balzac: 23.52
• LII-Robespierre: 29.51
• LIE-Jack London: 29.75
• EII-Dostojewski: 32.68
• ILE-Don Quijote: 33.66
• EIE-Hamlet: 34.32
• IEE-Huxley: 36,61
• SEI-Dumas: 38,69
• LSE-Stirlitz: 39.59
• LSI-Maxim Gorki: 39,66
• ESI-Dreiser: 40,69
• SLE-Schukow: 43.02
• IEI-"Yesenin": 44.81
• SEE-"Napoleon": 56.22
• ESE-"Hugo": 62.92

pretty weird questions, but at least the result seemed somewhat unpredictable

[beembo]

• IEI-Yesenin: 19.53
• SEI-Duma: 22.1
• IEE-Hexley: 22.81
• EII-Dostoevsky: 25.1
• SLI-Gaben: 27.45
• LSI-Maxim Gorky: 28.79
• ESE-Hugo: 30.65
• EIE-Hamlet: 31.47
• SEE-Napoleon: 31.76
• ESI-Drizer: 32.93
• LII-Robespierre: 35.08
• LSE-Stirlitz: 37.35
• ILA-Don Quixote: 37.51
• OR Balzac: 38.14
• LEE-Jack London: 39.04
• SLE-Zhukov: 40.1

[tenebrae]

IEI-"Yesenin": 18.56
SEI-Dumas: 21.27
ESE-"Hugo": 25.13
EII-Dostoevsky: 27.11
SEE-Napoleon: 28.96
EIE-Hamlet: 28.96
ESI-Dreiser: 29.81
ILE-Don Quixote: 29.84
IEE-Huxley: 33.63
LII-Robespierre: 34.43
SLI-Gabin: 41.06
LSI-Maxim Gorky: 41.11
LSE-Stirlitz: 41.45
OR-"Balzac": 43.69
LIE-Jack London: 51.26
SLE-Zhukov: 56.25

exactly 3 types i consider for myself.