DEAD - SLE final.
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You all VI as turds
@moonmoony
SEI-Fe instead of ESE-Si
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Yes. Thank you, someone gets it.
Like so:
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Last edited by Fluffy Princess Unicorn; 08-14-2022 at 08:04 PM.
@Dreymagine
What about when you know someone well?
Idk, I am always the one guiding the relationships in my life. So much so, that it kind of felt weird to simply ask, "so then what do you suggest [we do]?" the other day. That just...doesn't happen. I wasn't even asking because I didn't know, I was asking just to hear the other person's side. I was thinking I was going to have to point out the flaws in the suggestion and why it wouldn't work.
@Dreymagine, you didn't ask me, but I've thought about this question a lot and I think that enneatype could be determined by childhood trauma, or not.
Clearly, the individual sociotypes each seem to have an enneatype slant. SEEs slant towards e7, SLEs towards e8, IEIs towards e4, and so on.
Assuming that enneatype is determined by childhood trauma would also imply that sociotype is also determined by childhood trauma, which I think is a harder case to make.
In any case, the links between enneatype and sociotype are unproven, so until someone can do more research, I don't think that we can answer the answer definitively.
Yeah, it was nigh impossible to actually make that last, thus I was proving a point to her. I know that my Ni really isn't as strong as someone with creative Ni. I know that if and when I think about "the future", it's something tangible and realistic. And near and attainable. Not some grand, metaphorical scheme or goal. Everything is clear, and I use a short term strategy to get there.
And yeah, I do have strong Te and I can use it, but it's not valued in the same sense that a Gamma would care about it. My Gamma Dad cares a great deal about his plans, and about being efficient to the point that it's basically his whole personality. And I don't hold grudges like the Gammas tend to do when they are wronged. My Dad has a few of those.
And the Fi is basically non existent with me. I've already explained this numerous times, and am not gonna go into that. I just find it hard to grasp and experience, being my PoLR. Which leads onto my next point, below:
All ESI I have spoken to have been, from experience, difficult to deal with, since they lead with my PoLR. EII tend to conflict because of the (Ne) creative > Se creative, and their PoLR is my base function and Unvalued Role is their creative function. We have no valued functions in common. We're opposites poles in thinking, and how we approach life. Nothing they do makes sense to me in anyway. Especially the whole not sorting problems out actively thing. The Delta mentality.
At the end of the day, if an ExI is hitting me in the wrong places, it won't work out. Nothing will, and we shall continue to conflict. Nothing will change.
I think that's a closed-minded perspective of it, not gonna lie. I have known SLEs that don't know Socionics, more commonly than SLEs who do know of it...and of all those I have known, the main differences between the ones informed about Socionics vs oblivious to it, is that SLEs who don't know about it tend to be much more receptive to becoming more educated and mature in Fi growth. I can't help but to notice the potential Socionics has to stunt peoples' growth. Not that SLEs aren't pains in the ass either way. Stubborn, the lot of them. "SLE, youre going to hit your head on that tree..." SLE argues with it, then hits head on tree...except the tree is some relationship issue. Then SLE be like "oh shit, how do i fix this"
Last edited by Fluffy Princess Unicorn; 08-15-2022 at 05:36 AM.
OK. This made me wonder if IEIs disintegrate like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTRT794IQBg
guy having endless self-talk with their multiple personalities.
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I feel this must partly be because, the Vulnerable function being what it is (something you're 'supposed' to use in society but you have very little control/agency over), people will instinctively realize that their weaknesses are getting in the way of them trying to get by in life (whether that's regarding career advancement, building relationships with others, etc.). An SLE doesn't know what "Fi" or "Se" even is, but they know that the IEE they weirdly have an interest in is trying to enlighten them on how to connect with people.
if you sit that SLE down and teach them Socionics, they either:
a) realise *why* they find it hard to build and maintain deep relationships, and can further develop themselves while forgiving themselves for not 'understanding Fi',
OR
b) they realise connecting to people is all bull-honkey and they should just keep shooting their Se-jizz everywhere.
Thing is that self-reflection is a hard thing, and it's even harder if you've never been raised to realise it's important. I'm not ragging on SLEs or Fi itself here either, because anyone one type can grow up to be a real terrible person if circumstances allow. I think it's important that people know about Socionics, because any methodology that can get people to understand how others 'work' is important. But like anything, it should come with the stipulation that you should use it responsibly.
Re: type and trauma
I grew up with a brother. We experienced the same exact situations, yet, responded differently to them. After what I have seen, you can't convince me that people aren't a) born with certain personalities, and b) those personalities affect how you react to trauma. Enneagram is 100% absolutely wrong about that part imo.
HOWEVER...
We did grow up *sensitive* to different experiences based on our personalities. I hate/have 0 tolerance for manipulation and I avoid manipulative people, actually I go into fight mode and feel the urge to "pull the snake out of the grass" and get their games out into the open; my brother, on the other hand, learned you have to manipulate to navigate the cruelties in the world. As an extrovert, he was sensitive to the social isolation we were kept in; I, on the other hand, was comfortable with it and was already a hermit anyway. Different sensitivities. Thus, it can easily SEEM as if those experiences shaped our personalities. In reality, it's not so linear...it's more like a weird circular loop.
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I can see traces that lead me to become an enneagram head type. My mother was very fond of seeing me as a scientist and I received books and instruments but I was never forced. I would not call it a trauma, lol. It was quite adequate response.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
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Life is a joke but do you have a life?
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Is it okay to type people here visually but using other systems ( not socionics) ?
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@Dreymagine btw I will also note that I relate the most to type 8's childhood scenarios rather than type 6's.
I closed it because my now-ex said it was just going to come off to people as me seeking approval of my type from others. I should probably reopen it and ignore him...but yes, I do type as 8 core at this point.
EDIT:
Tbh, the video was a little bit too Ne for me Goes over lots of different theoretical possibilities without much other aim.
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Btw, I think Lagertha from Vikings is probably ESI 8 as well.
Last edited by Fluffy Princess Unicorn; 08-22-2022 at 05:07 AM.
@bb brb bb seems like a Fe type
@Missmessy
I see 7 but not as a core , maybe 3 makes sense more ?
37X , most likely 1 or 9 fix
frequent use of smileys, emojis, gifs etc. are more common for Fe types, who are more intererested in creating a desirable emotional atmosphere - she has it on her profile too
she also frequently greets newcomers such, which a Fi type is somewhat less likely to do, especially an introverted one (the least outwardly expressive ethical types) - they have a different way of creating emotional comfort for their interlocutor; @Adam Strange communicates more like a Fi type (or at least a Fi valuer), for example
as she seems quite touchy about differing opinions about her type, I will stop discussing it (more usual for non-valued Ne). hopefully she'll try verifying her type by IRL intertypes
Seriously, It's strange that @Alive types himself as LII
Ni wants to stick to one thing only and Ni users can refuse any alternatives
Alive says this phrase a lot ( I've heard about that million times in the Arab typology community even before I get into socionics )
But let's see how Alive behaves sometimes:
When I told him about Enneagram 7 Sx and how they have a lot of similarities with how he describes IEIs ( and most of 7 Sx are IXE ) , he refused to listen and said that he doesn't care about Enneagram
If he was Ne ego , he would have gladly welcomed the idea and considered it a possible further explanation for the behaviour we were talking about, but he refused to do so and said that he don't care about Enneagram and that romantic dreamers are only IEI and that's it
That's not an expected behaviour from Ne ego type, especially LII-C who is more focused on creative function ( Ne in LII case )
Also, he hates it when I use a lot of systems that are not socionics
Again : unexpected behaviour from Ne ego type
I personally have studied enneagram and other systems years ago and simply decided that they were inferior to socionics. there's in my opinion no point to argue with these system and I think it's silly that other types suddenly become dreamers just because they are 7. regarding
he refused to listen and said that he doesn't care about Enneagram
https://www.wikisocion.net/en/index...._Vera_Borisova
The Creative subtype is not interested in anything besides that which is truly interesting to him – in the sense that he ignores everything else (passively or actively). Including people (for Creative subtypes of logical types: "those people are like wooden poles"). May actively renounce something if it hinders him personally.
no offense to you, but you seem like someone that has discovered socionics recently and I can see you are a beginner. you randomly mix different systems and I just don't relate to the things you write or I have contemplated them years ago. you look up a couple of functions and suddenly you're an expert. there's a huge gap in our understanding of types. there's no point for me to discuss typings with you yet you involve me in discussions all the time. it's the same with Coeruleum Blue that I haven't interacted with in months yet he mentions me constantly. you are both IEI-N
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this website generally puzzles me more and more. a third of the people here are apparently sensing types according to gulenko. tallmo, northstar, missmessy, poptart, blaecaedre, lady lotus, avveroes etc. all just sensing types that happen to be interested in a non-pragmatic esoteric theory that deals with vague patterns that are barely observable. it's so absurd. I guess that's why no sensing type gives a shit about typology when I mention it to them irl, they are all here disussing it in-depth
Dreaming is not only IEI's thing , you can find dreaming in many other types
What you said about C Subtype was the first thing that came to my mind when I wrote what I wrote but I ignored it because C Subtypes as you know focus so much on their Creative function but I haven't ever seen Ne in the way you process information or even in your behaviors to say you're LII-C
I've known Socionics for a whole year, it's not long but it was enough to at least understand it, especially since I can easily understand huge amounts of information and learn things more quickly than other people
Anyway, unlike you I don't consider myself as an expert in any way and I don't type people unless I'm sure of what I'm doing
And don't talk about functions when you don't use them at typing, you only talk about your understanding of them ( without using them ) , that's a shield to protect yourself and to evade when someone criticize you
Mixing systems together doesn't mean I know nothing in Socionics, it means that I want a more broad view of things
Forums are places for open discussions if you don't know, why are you here if you don't want to have discussions ? You IEI-H