He's simply not an intuitive logical type, as evidenced by practically everything he does, says and thinks, constantly demonstrating Se->Fi and even demonstrating preference for INxp in relationships... I think my arguments are decisive for that conclusion/have not been countered.Originally Posted by hellohellohello
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
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Man, the more I see of Tate, the more I think he's SLI. He's also got some personal problems with insecurity, but that's a different issue.
He reminds me a bit of a Jehovah's witness recruiter I know, who actually is SLI.
SLIs are Fe-PolR. He is not Fe-PolR. Case closed.
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
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I’m right and you all are wrong.
And I don’t need to explain myself because I’m the Princess of Maizestan.
The End.
He's LIE. Gamma. Ej temperament > Ep temperament.
SLIs are also Guardians who want to guide you in life. My evangelical SLI friend has been preaching to me for years. He does a good job in front of his congregation. My SLI ex-wife also introduced visiting speakers to audiences at the University of Michigan, so I imagine that being Fe-PoLR doesn't mean that you can't speak in front of groups.
Tate hasn't spoken in the videos above about just HOW he got richer than anyone, so I looked up how Tate made his money, and it seems he did it by selling course videos on how to be rich. "I want to teach you how to be an adult." I also read that he's into gambling in some remote country. Neither of these activities really requires personal, one-on-one interactions. He also doesn't seem to have anyone else in his videos. Maybe he doesn't have any friends.
Still, @RBRS, both of us could cherry-pick examples of why Tate is this way or that, and neither one of us is likely to convince the other. I'm just saying that I, personally, think he's an SLI with self-esteem problems.
I believe that it gets harder to type people when they have personality issues, and Tate is a good example of this.
You're mistaking Se with EJ, but he shows irrationality in his movements, non-verbals and conversations.
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
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There's nothing about Andrew Tate that desires to be a 'shadow leader', in no way, shape, or form is he ST or SF. Maaaybe ST but he isn't Beta nor Delta. He's so focused on profiting off people it's ridiculous, pointing to strong Business Logic and weak Ethics of Relations. I think you have it all backwards, my friend.
Edit : In this video (from 4:48 to 8:59), Dr. Grande is describing the so called "Alpha man" traits. We can correlate almost all those traits to the position of Se and Fe in socionics Model A/G. However the traits he talks about applied mostly to Extraverts so Se and Fe in EP and EJ temperaments either in Lead or mobilizing positions. It's amazing since, as far as I know, Dr. Grande is not familiar with socionics although he is with MBTI and relates to the INTP in that system.
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Another LIE con man
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He VIs like the LIE poster Narc from back in the day
Clips where he breaks character and just seems like a nerdy manosphere Troll. That mortal kombat part especially seems like something an intuitive would come up with for some reason
I think SEE typings are easy to disregard if you've watched any of his podcasts or interviews. He is extremely vocal about how little he respects his fans and customers, and markets purely through quantity rather than quality. That is to say he seeks to slap his face and services in whatever place the most eyeballs will see it - the contents of the ad itself in terms of establishing a connection with the audience is irrelevant.
He dislikes "imperial" evidence and gets hard for anecdotes so he probably sucks at judgment IEs
My first reaction was to laugh.
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's just taking the piss.
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Could he be EIE?
His type is washed up attention seeker.
He's a joke
"If my son is a nerd, one of us has to die, him or me and I'll challenge him to mortal Kombat" (this is not a spelling mistake !)
I've just realized that Andrew Tate was not talking about this :
I guess everyone has his own kind of "Aha" moment !
He's Gamma. Likely ENTj, he seems to have a certain grasp on Fe, but his Ti is just ignored still he does seem (for not to say he DOES) like having a grasp onto productivity and results, too, plus he is not Fi ego because he doesn't seem to try getting popular by establishing relationships, just seeming productive, rich and fancy. It's always the Gammas that try to somehow shove that up your ass.
Not a stronger argument, but in visual typing he matches LIE set on, and I have a LIE friend that is just like this (obviously in the way a normal person would be, keeping on with that LIEs aren't normal, she once said she would kill herself if she ended up poor).
I doubt he shares 4D Fe as he doesn't try to express fully but true emotion, instead, he's a huge persona.
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Out of all languages you just dared to come here and speak with the truth !?
SLE or LIE, low Fi. A little too over the top and trolling compare to average LIE so I'm lean toward SLE... But SLE extrovert like this I don't see frequently...
Also LIE usually try to hide their not-so-good side (for better selling themself), not so straight forward being an ass.
There's a chance for EIE but his Fi seem too low.
Apparently he pays people to post him around the internet and bring other people in to post him around the internet, so his virality is fabricated.
If there was no social media, no one would give a crap abour him. I could say the same about a lot of these people, though. Shock jocks, edgy clickbaiters. People who know that they can get people riled up with their opinions. Some immature Fe HA crap. Since this is a Socionics thread about his type, and if I had to type him, I'd say that he's probably an immature SLE.
I have heard people talk about him but have no idea what he is known for.
LIE seems to be the most fitting.
Most attractive guys live their lives how they see fit and can be either “toxic” or kind to women depending on their interest level. Their looks are doing most of the work in any case
Why do people like this still exist?
They exist in the first place because of really bad parents. They still exist because no one has yet found them to be completely intolerable.
There are a lot of mainstream rappers who embody Tate’s ideals without being nerdy about it or necessarily recommending that people be like them. I think there’s a kernel of truth to what Tate is saying that resonates with people but it’s just very taboo and obnoxious to talk about explicitly and base your entire personality around
Last edited by Averroes; 08-22-2022 at 12:49 PM.
You have to strike a middle ground between respecting women and also acknowledging that they’re not saints and that you can lose points for being in bad shape, a pushover, clingy, effeminate, weak, impotent, etc. even if they claim that you’re fine the way you are
edit: or rather strike a balance between respecting women as equals and acknowledging that they have a submissive side that you have to play to sometimes in a romantic context
Last edited by Averroes; 08-23-2022 at 09:14 AM.
Most of what he says about women is true. It wouldn't be a problem if these criticisms didn't apply to him as well
If I'm not answering you, I'm either procrastinating a response, or I've judged the conversation as fruitless/already settled prior to the debate for me.
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"Behind Every Great Man Is A Great Woman"
I guess we have to thank Lady A B*tch for her contribution to human kind.
There is a small kernel of truth to some red-pill beliefs. Attractive men do have "pretty privilege". Women can be ruthlessly shallow in evaluating men's status and appearance.
But I seriously doubt that gender relations can be entirely distilled to these blunt primitives, and what women find attractive is obviously influenced by their idiosyncrasies, their social class, media-driven fads, and societal expectations (notwithstanding the fact that our idiosyncrasies and societal expectations are themselves shaped by our peculiar media environment, where the vainest, most cynically self-serving, and most selfish aspects of human nature are held up as normal).
I must be out of the loop because I’ve literally never heard of this guy
He's telling men what they want to hear.
Men know women are shallow but they don't know what it means and because men typically have to make the first move they are put in an emotionally vulnerable position. This vulnerability leads to latching on to simplified and toxic ideas.
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Yeah, Men who want to be like him ! He's like the Pied Piper prophet to whom those men have pledged allegiance . He's the Prophet of Incels, the one eyed Guru of the wandered blind men ! Imho.
Possibly an SLE who thinks he is more superior than any F1 drivers, including Hamilton.
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He's a psyop; a test by the powers that be to see how quickly they can get people wringing their hands over literally whos.
I don't know about this guy, to me, and I do not have any exposure to him except this thread, his eyes scream Fe at me, and some pics have a vunerable introverted look, but overall he has a very SEE way and extreme immaturity. He's no SLE.
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