@Distance
This post isn't necessarily directed at you, but just how I feel generally about people constantly criticizing and moaning about Socionics, while never elucidating on the positives:
lol, this place, it's like solipsism taken to 10th degree.
But yes, I am LII. I know that bugs people :stop: This isn't science :stop: And we can't prove anything lol. :right?: HAHA
There was a user from long ago...Ashton (Asston). He was kind of an asshole (from my perspective), seemed to be going through some kind of neurotic pattern (like most people into socionics lol), wanted to wipe the forum (reasons I won't speculate), but he did understand something...most people don't read Jung...they don't seem to understand it. So what you get here is mostly biased, highly interpretive -> bullshit.
But Jung, he was like a mystical mathematician, intertwining philosophy and the subjective human experience, creating a framework useful for abstractly modeling our "subjectivity". That's fucking amazing. But it gets completely sidestepped for people's bullshit reasons.
Like, just typing in "subjectivity in psychology" into chatgpt 3.5 gives a better answer than I could ever come up with it. And Jung's framework does, maybe not a perfect job of doing this, but it's fucking amazing how much of it it does cover!
In psychology, subjectivity plays a significant role in understanding human behavior and mental processes. Here's how subjectivity is relevant in various aspects of psychology:
Perception and interpretation: Individuals perceive and interpret the world around them through subjective filters shaped by their unique experiences, beliefs, and cultural backgrounds. This subjectivity influences how they interpret sensory information, make judgments, and form opinions.
Emotions and feelings: Emotions are inherently subjective experiences that vary from person to person and can be influenced by a wide range of internal and external factors. Understanding the subjective experience of emotions is crucial in areas such as clinical psychology, where therapists work to help individuals manage and understand their emotional states.
Personality: Personality traits and characteristics are often assessed subjectively through self-report measures, interviews, and observations. While efforts are made to standardize assessment tools, individual differences in interpretation and response style can introduce subjectivity into personality assessment.
Psychopathology and diagnosis: Diagnosing mental disorders involves assessing subjective symptoms reported by the individual and making judgments based on standardized diagnostic criteria. However, the interpretation of symptoms and the determination of diagnosis can be influenced by the clinician's subjective judgments, training, and biases.
Therapeutic process: In psychotherapy, the therapeutic process is highly subjective, with the therapist and client collaborating to explore the client's subjective experiences, thoughts, and feelings. The effectiveness of therapy often depends on the quality of the therapeutic relationship and the degree to which the therapist can empathize with and understand the client's subjective perspective.
Cultural and cross-cultural psychology: Subjectivity is particularly evident in the study of cultural differences in psychology. Cultural norms, values, and beliefs shape individuals' subjective experiences of themselves and others, influencing behavior, cognition, and emotion in diverse ways.
While subjectivity poses challenges in psychological research and practice, acknowledging and understanding subjective experiences is essential for gaining insight into human behavior and promoting well-being. Researchers and practitioners strive to balance subjectivity with objectivity by using rigorous methods, standardized measures, and critical reflection to minimize bias and enhance the validity and reliability of psychological knowledge.
Psychology is the science of subjectivity! Yes, a paradox to the "pure scientist". But psychology isn't a study of the "objective" and I do not understand the hang-up with this. To both complain about it not being objective, while denying it's utility, is like saying people are bullshit because we have subjectivity lmao. But you can frame subjectivity!