I feel like people are going from creative Fe -> “manipulative” Fe -> dishonesty -> lying.
Im not sure if creative Fes actually lie more though.
I feel like people are going from creative Fe -> “manipulative” Fe -> dishonesty -> lying.
Im not sure if creative Fes actually lie more though.
Everybody lies but it seems Fe creatives get caught The most lol
It IS imagination when you cherry pick messages I've written here & use them to justify your deluded theory about me. The shit I've written here is a fragment. Some of you take this fragment & conclude I'm not SLE. Its batshit stupid, ignorant & confirmation bias. I won't post a video cause the second you figure I value Si, you'll accuse me of being SLI.
Don't justify. I was asking a question. That's it. I used the word "lie" because that was the behavior she exhibited. Read through this thread you'll notice decent explanations for this behavior
Your virtue signaling doesn't impress me. Your insistence of using online text messages to orchestrate a theory about a person's type is shithead retardedness.
But, fuck, if socionics is the foundation for how you define others go for it.
i think it's also that when ppl have been thinking about socionics for a long time, they've kind of grown a huge "database" of patterns and relation to types. so they start spotting types really fast. like i interact with someone irl for like 5 minutes and my brain kind of immediately produces a socionics type sometimes... so it becomes something where it's not about knowing someone so much, but about these patterns, because info metabolism isn't really that personal in a way (it's not personality). ofc i mean i don't think i'm always "right" or anything, but i mean socionics is pretty subjective anyway, like there isn't a way to PROVE it.
so like @Stray Cat, like the way you talk about this and ask these questions does make me wonder if you value Fi and the Fe creatives aren't being "straight" enough, but idk ofc. and it's not like once an idea is hit upon it's set in stone forever.
I hear what you're saying. That is a fair take. The fact, is how I communicate online is not how I communicate in real life. Online messages are a snapshot of a moment, not my entire life. Sometimes, in my opinion, to communicate effectively, it is advisable to use another function. It isn't always about you or your ego, while communicating. Might be about helping someone else, in that moment, in their walk through life.
To theorize about a type isn't wrong, but what if you mistype your spouse or best friend? You expect or encourage IEI behavior when they are really SEI. That person could resent you for an innocent mistake.
But yeah, I guess socionics can be exciting because it sort of cracks the code of relationships.
i used to think more like this... but the understanding changed as the pattern database grew...
it's not catastrophic, it's not like i treat people like they are a type description... what happens is i think someone is a type as i observe them more over time sometimes my opinion changes... it's not about treating them a certain way... the human ways of relating and interacting are stronger than these ideas... it's not like i'm a computer and as soon as i have matched a person to a type, it initiates a protocol for how to treat that person...To theorize about a type isn't wrong, but what if you mistype your spouse or best friend? You expect or encourage IEI behavior when they are really SEI. That person could resent you for an innocent mistake.
not to meBut yeah, I guess socionics can be exciting because it sort of cracks the code of relationships.
I disagree on the pattern database thing, probably cause it's rigid & humans don't interest me that much
What is your purpose for typing a person? I have no idea how you treat people or whether that way is wrong, but I am curious why socionics interests you.
These are my takes on things, not judgments against you cause, frankly, I don't know you. Just cause I do shit a certain way doesn't mean others do or have to
Fi types lie plenty.
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Superficial lines and surface level behavior is how newbs who can't read betwen the lines type.
You can energetically feel the difference between a true Se-lead vs an imposter superficially aping Se:
Snake : Is this the first time you've
ever pointed a gun at a person?
Your hands are shaking.
Woman : !!!
(Snake grabs the barrel of her
gun and pull it to his chest.)
Snake : Can you shoot me, rookie?
Woman : Careful, I'm no rookie!!
Snake : Liar. That nervous glance...
that scared look in your eyes. They're
rookie's eyes if I ever saw them.
You've never shot a person, am I
right?
Woman : You talk too much.
Snake : You haven't even
taken the safety off, rookie.
Woman : I told you I'm no rookie!!!
Snake : You're not one of them are you?
Woman : Open that door!
You've got a card don't you!?
Snake : Why?
Woman : So we can get
the hell out of here.
(The door opens and enemy guards
rush in.)
Snake : Looks like we'll be a little
delayed.
What are you doing!? Don't
think! Shoot!
What are you waiting for? Shoot!!
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Says the stalker who still PMs me, whom I never reply to, who edits & deletes messages cause he craves validation & attention. You're a nobody, a proselytizing dork who needs this site to demonstrate weak Ti that people rightly ignore in the real world.
How do I know? You use shit shock material while copy & pasting generic definitions to convince people you're intelligent. Fuck off you attention slut.
sigh. it's not rigid. i mainly vibe type, i just know that the vibes are coming from patterns and associations. i can't see the "database" or know its contents, it's not based in logic. nor is it static. basically it's not rational.
is it unbelievable that a person can find a theory interesting for its own sake, not to DO something with it? like when a flash of this person seems like x type enters one's mind, it has no purpose, it's a flash of realization. it's like if you spot the color red, you had no purpose in identifying it is red. if you see someone you know when you're out and about you have no purpose in recognizing them. it just happens automatically.What is your purpose for typing a person? I have no idea how you treat people or whether that way is wrong, but I am curious why socionics interests you.
anyway other than that i was drawn to personality theories because they're beautiful and fascinating and i was mainly interested in myself in the beginning, not others lol. after MBTI which i was dissatisfied with socionics was lovely... a fully fleshed out system that actually makes sense and doesn't convolute jung by having Pi leads as J types and Ji leads as P types. it meets my Ti HA standards. and it's kind of never-ending, there is always more to notice and think about. it has enough truth to be "real" while not being something that can be proven and so it is also "unreal," and i think that is in large part why it remains intellectually stimulating to me. in any case a lot of people who are into socionics are into personality theories/systems in general. why are they all so interested? why are we interested in what we're interested in? why does one thing spark intense stimulation in the mind and another boredom. i find hiking in the woods boring... is there a reason? like i can't think of one.
You're here to meet your drama quota for the week. Needy parasites like you require drama like its oxygen. You purposely chose your sig stand out, so others would automatically notice your messages regardless of whether the shit you ever say is actually relevant.
You could actually listen & contribute here but you'd rather prove yourself through meaningless semantics to idiots who're clueless to what your real agenda is here.
You're weak and a pure joke
beta is like the drama quadra though... the combo of Se and Fe valuing is very dramatic.
Me virtue signaling? lol - Just because I'm not losing my cool and I'm not acting like a rabid retard because people disagree with me on my type doesn't mean I'm virtue signaling anything.Your virtue signaling doesn't impress me.
I talk about my vices and shadow stuff all the time- but I mean, there is such a thing as 'vice signaling' too and it's just as annoying.... anyway I think that phrase is so overused on the internet it is basically meaningless and carries little weight. Like calling somebody a 'SJW.' It used to have some bite - but too many puerile & immature straight boys are over-using it that I don't find any merit behind it.
Yeah I'm a virtue signaling SJW faget. I don't care. I still don't think you are SLE at times because it seems like you bitch and moan about what IEI does more than you dualize with us. But I mean I could be wrong, time (Ni) will tell. To be fair to you, I do think Beta irrational duality can often have problems & even IRL I have seen it not work out too well- but those might be ESI/LIE couples as well lol.
Keep cherry picking my messages & obsessing over me you rejected prom date. You're worth absolute dogshit except to people who're cupcakes & addicted to confirmation bias like you.
Congrats for logging in today alerting us to your time of the month, tho. Tampons be ready. PCandy is open for you
You're still virtue signaling when you engage in social comparison to make prop yourself up
I don't care that you vent. It's fine. Sites like this ought to be sources of social connection. What grinds my gears, if you'd like to know, is your tribalism. You may not realize that you use it & I don't believe it's your intent, but all it does is create boundaries between worthy & unworthy. If socionics is bad for society in any way its the tribalism people are using to connect & make cliqs
You're still virtue signaling when you engage in social comparison to make prop yourself up
I don't care that you vent. It's fine. Sites like this ought to be sources of social connection. What grinds my gears, if you'd like to know, is your tribalism. You may not realize that you use it & I don't believe it's your intent, but all it does is create boundaries between worthy & unworthy. If socionics is bad for society in any way its the tribalism people are using to connect & make cliqs
Okay this seems like nothing but a huge projection because I do not think of people in those terms as all. Not even deeply subconsciously. Worthy/unworthy- my brain doesn't even go there. What kind of Fi nonsense is that? I hate that stuff too... I often mock unhealthy Fi people going 'You are not worthy' in campy TV villain voices.
Nobody here is my 'clique' either. I mean I do have people I get along with and agree with often but I don't have tribes or cliques or clans- I pride myself on my independent lonerism so it sounds like you are projecting something you don't like about yourself onto me? Are you viewing Fe as something clique-ish or whatever? LoL. Eww Lolita had that stereotype of Fe as being that and it makes me barf as well.
Have you considered the level of health from these people you have had experience with, as well as their enneagram type? As well as the age.. A teen-early twenties versus a 40-year-old...
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I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
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I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
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I think contact makes more of sense with me being DCNH creative, which implies of Fe sub, and many mistake me as Fe base... But my Ni is pretty strong.
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Hmmmmm... more Ni-sub really. IEI-Fes seem "softer" to me and more like pseudo-SEIs or something. Because Alphas value Fe but not Ni. You seem more intense and less affectionate with individuals, but you still have the typical IEI compassion and strong caring about the world.Question BandD: Do I strike you as more Ni or Fe sub
@Baqer thought I could be Ni sub..
It definitely is weird I come off as Fe base though to many, and contact makes sense too.
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@Braingel
Idk I think there is some biases with the Ni/Fe thing. I think people view Ni-sub IEIs as more like people who are ILI-ish Hannibal like to others, way less emotional - always provoking people to 'toughen up' by psychoanalyzing them in a cold and cruel way almost. Not showing much feeling or affection (pure Ni can be pretty sadistic) - but I mean , IEIs are supposed to have creative 3D Fe besides that. I think there is some truth to that probably, but it's exaggerated.
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
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Dark IEI: ooh prison Chad, how many people have you murdered?
Dark SLE: Uhhh idk man, about 7 or 8 (in doofus macho voice)
Dark IEI: Eww I'm rather disappointed in you Chad. Your kill count needs to be in the upper teens or I'm not going to get even half-way hard. Stop being a pussy and be even more brutal. Or this thing between us just isn't going to work out.
Dark SLE: Me the pussy? That's a riot. You haven't killed anybody yet yourself.....
Suddenly a SLI prison guard comes and glares at the Betas with suspicion. He doesn't actually hear what they are saying but feels weird about it.
Dark IEI (in manipulative creative Fe voice): Oh hello there sir. I'm just talking to this offender sir and helping him become a constructive member of society. *points to visitor badge* Even though he'll never be up for parole we should still have the compassion to teach him valuable life skills.
SLI smiles gently and walks on, mistaking the IEI for his activity partner.
Dark IEI: God what an idiot. Now where were we Chad....
((Is this what you mean about creative Fe lying? LoL))
My dad is Ni sub and he's not Hannibal like at all. In fact, he cares about the good of humanity a great deal. He's probably autistic, but in the 60's people didn't test for that sort of thing as much. They just said he was special and genius, but left it up to my grandma, who decided he needed to go to Catholic school.
My dad threw a fit in front of me 8 years ago and ripped up his mom's Catholic bible that she left him. I had to calm him down because I'm the only one who can. Well, I used to be the only one who could, now he listens to my SLE daughter too. You see, the nuns used to hit him with rulers.... He wasn't disobedient, he was just autistic.
Man grows used to everything, the scoundrel!
-Raskolnikov
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
I just murdered my pizza... I have bloody tomato sauce on my face now, and so verdict finds me guilty
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits