Probably LII
Probably LII
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Is this ILE? haha
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>those facial expressions
>filming vertically
could be my dual
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steve wozniak has that typical EP temperament. speaks with a fast speed when excited. compare him to an actual LII like todd grande. here you can see a real Ij temperament. barely any emotions showing, dry and precise speech, not influenced by mood etc.
ILE
https://youtu.be/PhBVRFKVGxU
LII
https://youtu.be/zxuw9ziGGzM
notice the difference of eye movements between the two. how wozniak is focused on his surroundings and the interviewer because of his extroversion, and todd frequently looks to the side while talking. it's because he is introverted and has a certain distance to reality, might think about something else while talking.
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Andy Rubin is classified as ILE hmmm..
..hmm.. that guy has too much in your face Fe (Fe demo?). Probably IEE tbh. ILEs have F somewhere in the ballpark of SLEs (so shit F in general).. and they come off as extroverted awkward nerds imo. Adam Savage, Steve Wozniak and Andy Rubin more like. Soo not really the ENTP stereotype of the joker.
peripheral quadras and priorities lol..
Linus is alpha NT as well imo:
e_e for a Finn he seems rather extroverted. Maybe ILE.
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paul allen seems gamma at first glance. I had my doubts about rubin when I looked at gulenko's gallery but I haven't look into him. I think he got into trouble for sexual harassment a while ago
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Facial expression is not F until done for engagement. That is my stance. For instance Zuckerbeg is not facially non expressive (altough I kind of thing some sort of take over when I think about him) at all . He is expressive but fantasy takes him to that comfy lala-land and he is also disconnected from his body to make it even better, lol.
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Paul Allen and Adam Strange mb identicals.
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if someone owns a yacht (or anything that is worth more than a car), they are most likely not alpha NT
a friend asked me yesterday what type douglas hofstadter has. I still think ILE, but watching some videos now it seems to me that he is a harmonising subtype.
Caroline Konstar seems ILE:
It occurred to me that Lance Bass could be SEI.
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The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
I think Alive's thinking is that they aren't likely to purposefully buy expensive things because they want expensive things.
I see where he's coming from, but I don't think that's necessarily true for ILEs. They can be status-conscious even though they often deny it, and they like cool toys. LIIs it's more true for IMO, unless they're married. The only married LIIs I've known with more-or-less good relationships with their spouses were married to ESEs, and those LIIs seemed to want to give them anything they wanted. Don't know if ESEs like yachts though. At least most ESEs I've known have seemed averse to intentionally wasting money/spending more than necessary, but that may have more to do with upbringing than type.
The word expensive is relative. For example, if somebody grew up in a wealthy househould, having a yatch is like having a cell phone, everybody owns one in their world. I know people who are very above and very below average in terms of economic income and wealth. Hence, I witnessed one can consider something as high status symbol whereas other person can find the same thing as low status.
Saying alpha NTs cant own anything more than a car, is too much caricaturization that people can draw so many wrong conclusions although it may not be his aim.
I dont know any ILEs, you can be right. LIIs don't like to show off, but I don't think it makes them blind to status. Due to having relations with people with different economic background, I noticed that I prefer to fit in status wise, in other words, I don't want to be pointed out or point out someone's status even if it is high. When people say things to other people like you are rich, you can buy xyz without thinking right etc, that makes me cringe. I can see that other person does not know what to do, because it is their normal. It feels like a form of exclusion. Ofcourse reverse scenario would be more terrifying, luckily that rarely happens.
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Cell phones are more or less necessary in this world, while even for the rich owning a yacht is a status symbol. Most people who buy them hardly use them, and usually it would be less of a hassle, and less cost, to just rent or borrow one. I also don't know how owning a yacht could possibly be seen as "low status" unless you're richer than Croesus: it's a sign to the world that you have so much money you can spend a great amount of it on something frivolous.
It's too reductionistic, but that also doesn't mean what Alive wrote is necessarily without any truth. Would you say a multi-millionaire LII is just as likely to buy a yacht or something as, say, an SEE?I dont know any ILEs, you can be right. LIIs don't like to show off, but I don't think it makes them blind to status. Due to having relations with people with different economic background, I noticed that I prefer to fit in status wise, in other words, I don't want to be pointed out or point out someone's status even if it is high. When people say things to other people like you are rich, you can buy xyz without thinking right etc, that makes me cringe. I can see that other person does not know what to do, because it is their normal. It feels like a form of exclusion. Ofcourse reverse scenario would be more terrifying, luckily that rarely happens.
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That is your point of view based on the lifestyles that you observed.
I didn't say yatch could be seen as low status. I said people can see something as high status when other people see it as low status. Just consider xyz brand model car that is not high end.
Some people have a great amount of money and it is not too much to spend for them.
Yes, multi-millionaire LII can also buy a yatch, or they may not. Ofcourse, LII would be different than SEE. However, you seem to think that yatch is status symbol independent from the amount of wealth and lifestyle.
Besides, you know an average house cost more than a car, right?
I have Se as vulnerable function, I barely focus on reality. 99% of the time I'm completely in my head. I only said that it's unlikely for LII's to own a yacht because any kind of bigger purchase requires real life effort and maintanance that I don't really care for at all. never owned a car and I haven't met an LII so far that had one unless it was really necessary. I do not care at all how other people perceive me. I'm completely indifferent to status symbols. the idea of buying something like a yacht seems so foreign to me that the probability of a wealthy LII buying that is still extremly low to me even if I imagine myself in that position. I have a decent amount of savings and I buy nothing at all most of the time.
hmm considering that FP relates to my message, it makes me think that he has the same type as me, while myresearch seems a bit different.
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the things that myresearch wrote about how status is a certain perspective and depending on how wealthy you are you are more likely to buy certain things, that reminds me of a video I have seen from Dan Bilzerian (SLE), who voiced something similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZFjNlvmqsI
@myresearch: are you sure you're not actually an LSI? I never think about these things that you have mentioned, seems Ti+Se to me.
LOL, let me say that I don't relate to Dan's lifestyle at all, I wouldn't prefer to live like as he does in any way.
But I agree to what he said on the video. To me thats just life and thats what people do.
Have you spend good amount of time with people who are very below and very above average Alive?
I dont think that you have. Because then, you would see how people would see some stuff as high status that you just think that is average or even sometimes basic/essential, and they think that you are rich because of that, but you would know that you are not.
Then when you see people who are actually rich and when you see that they (not all of them) don't show off, they just live, it is common sense to put yourself in other person's shoes and understand that it is about the amount of money they have, not the status that they want to show off.
EDIT: No, I havent considered LSI because I know my whole life.
Well sure, but everyone only has access to the information they’ve observed, directly or indirectly.
I apologize for misinterpreting then. But no matter how much money you have, buying a yacht is still likely to be done for status concerns for the reasons I mentioned — they don’t tend to be used often enough to justify the purchase on the grounds of their utility.I didn't say yatch could be seen as low status. I said people can see something as high status when other people see it as low status. Just consider xyz brand model car that is not high end.
Some people have a great amount of money and it is not too much to spend for them.
I do think it’s a status symbol, yes. Even if money is absolutely nothing to you, it does take considerable effort to buy a yacht, figure out where to keep it, pay insurance on it, and remove it from storage whenever you want to use it. If you just want to go sailing on a yacht sometimes it’s probably easier to rent or borrow one.Yes, multi-millionaire LII can also buy a yatch, or they may not. Ofcourse, LII would be different than SEE. However, you seem to think that yatch is status symbol independent from the amount of wealth and lifestyle.
Besides, you know an average house cost more than a car, right?
And re. houses, sure, but that goes without saying.
The wealthiest LIIs I know are a couple who have no kids but have a beautiful custom designer house on either 40 or 80 acres, I can't remember which. She is a Pfizer chemist and he works for the university in some capacity in IT, and he used to be a chemist. Both have PhD's. I can't remember what cars they drive. Something nondescript.
She has Chinese ancestry and looks like an inscrutable scholar. He might have German ancestry and looks like he hasn't cut his hair or beard since 1200 AD.
After they got established in their new house, the guy came over to see my toys and then he bought a few similar things for himself. One thing he bought which puzzled me was a backhoe. It's either a backhoe or some other kind of construction machine. It has a diesel engine and is yellow and looks like a miniature dinosaur and I asked him why in the world he wanted to buy that.
He said he uses it to clear the snow off his long driveway, but he really got it because it's useful for picking up big rocks. Which he seems to do a lot. His driveway has these big rocks set on either side of it, all along its length.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a boat. I suspect that he might have an exotic beer collection somewhere in that house.
The house is very large and airy and is all white surfaces and windows and walls at odd angles. I like it, but it's not a "warm" house.
If you call them and they don't pick up, you hear the following message:
Him: "Hi! I'm Kurt!"
Her: "and I'm Kathy..."
Both together: "And We're a Recording!"
Him: "We can't get to the phone right now,"
Her: "But if you'd like to leave a message"
Both together: "We'll call you back as soon as we can!"
....Beeeeep.
Clearly, two e5's.
They are a nice couple, but just a bit odd.
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I think Diane Hennacy Powell maybe ILE. She investigates ESP phenomena. Look at this video where she demonstrates her ‘testing’. Scientific cringe. Michael Persinger, who conducted more serious research on the same topic (this being maybe his most notable research paper) also looked Alpha.
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People who have certain amount of net worth, have more assets that they can control and maintain on their own. There are tools and services for them to manage their assets and maintain them with less effort on their part.
It is also difficult to manage thousands of employees and clients. Again there are tools, methods and services to help that management.
People who a few billion dollars, generally have things that most people consider as a status symbol and luxurious regardless of their socionics type. However, without those items, those people have status anyways.
The main point of the original argument is that alpha NTs wouldn't own any thing cost more than a car.
People who have billions would have lots of things that cost more than a car.
Human behavior >> Type behavior
Noone would sit on that great amount of money. As humans we only need a roof over our heads, a piece of clothing and some food to fill our stomach. Nevertheless, people who have more money buy things that cost more and more.
The amount of money would have a greater affect on how much people spend money than socionics type. Se ego who earn less than 50 K a year will spend less than Ne ego who earns millions in a month.
Kings lived in luxury, they ruled, they had the authority regardless of their type. They didn't say I don't care and prefer to live in another way.
When I checked my bank account few months back I got cable internet connection, bought a laptop, bought used PC and new 4k monitor. I think it ends here. It was quite necessary upgrade regrading my hobbies.
But I have driver's license because folks at home paid it for me and I was practically forced to get it. I still do my best to avoid owning a car. What if they bought me a car? I think I might possibly have one. It is in habits. For example I just find 768p monitor just too cumbersome these days.
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Teenager ILE female seems to be good case of ADHD Ne variety.
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