Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
Please @Lolita, stop sharing what you learn from gulenko and guard it like the precious knowledge it is. You talk about him and what you learn from him way too much, stop feeding us leeches. That means you can't attack us all about our types and say it comes from this gulenko knowledge one must pay to obtain. You treat gulenko, your daddy replacement, quite disrespectfully by doing this. Maybe he needs protection from YOU. You must choose: gulenko and the light of truth or being a bitch. If you weren't so Ti Polr maybe you might spot your hypocrisy.
Also thanks for setting an example of what "decency" is. Decency is attacking everyone and treating ppl like shit apparently.
you are now a solicitor, they are people who push useless crap on ppl despite the fact that no one wants it. before you get all up in arms, gulenko doesn't present crap, but your version of gulenko is useless crap meant to feed your insecure Te HA so you can feel like you know something. you use and abuse.
I do really think that lolita's behaviour is the result of her supervisor relationship with her father who is an LSI. you see, beta absolutely hates it when people step out of the line, when they scream "look at me!" or behave like a douchebag. beta puts those people in their place, they can't stand it. now imagine poor lolita growing up 18 years with a father that constantly criticises her behaviour. how do children behave when they are confronted with that? they rebel against it, do the opposite of what their parents want out of spite. now imagine her growing up 18 years with constant arguments and quarrels and direct attacks to her vulnerable function. the result is that she has become a really insecure person that projects a confident image. everyone that even remotely criticises her is seen as a beta type because that's what she had to live with her whole life. because she adapted this contrarian behaviour against her father into her adult life, she throws around insults because she never learned any other way to interact with others. she can't allow herself to show any kind of weakness because of her childhood so she makes ridiculous claims like "actually Ti is a really strong function for me even though it's my vulnerable function!!11"
the reality is that she is just a sad and miserable person with too much time on her hand because of covid. gulenko even mentions it in his SEE desciption:
Feels enlivened and inspired when his time is taken up by matters. Otherwise, having an excess of time, may lead a sedentary, lazy lifestyle, despairing and criticizing everything.
the reality is that she would never behave like this in real life, because she would have exactly zero friends. nobody likes people that behave like her in real life. here she has some form of anonymity the she can use to delude herself into thinking how great she is, but in real life she wouldn't have the confidence to even look me in the eye when I stand in front of her.
This place is shit. Thanks, I hate it.
“I want the following word: splendor, splendor is fruit in all its succulence, fruit without sadness. I want vast distances. My savage intuition of myself.”
― Clarice Lispector
Definitely not a cult.
Yes I've made myself feel quite sad. I know the forum will rise from the ashes of this low point though. but still everything is wrong.
It's time for a melodramatic xena scene
as an EIE I can reflect on how I am all the characters
the funny thing is that I donated money to him in the past to support his research and I plan to donate more in the future, I just don't care to share that everywhere. he's aware that we have the same type, we had long skype conversations. in his book he mentions that typing someone is a really serious thing and should not be done lightly and here you are insulting others because of their type, surely the opposite of what he's trying to achieve.
Томас, ты хорошо понимешь гуманитарную соционику, видимо, благодаря тождественному типу. Что касается Анны, то ты прав: лишь очень немногие N-подтипы выдерживают креативную среду и креативные теории. Правда, есть и исключения. Например, если N-человек подключается к системе в самом начале или воспитывался в креативной семье. Также когда он выступает в роли доводчика после креативного.
ah whatever, you will be gone once you get bored because nobody will give you any attention soon.
I feel like absolutely everything except typing of forum members is occuring on the typing of forum members thread.
I'll kick it off again with some controversial typings. Hold up your knickers, this is gonna be crazy:
LEMURIANLO: EIE
EIE: EIE
ALIVE: LII
ONE: ILI
ADAM STRANGE: LIE
LOLITA: SEE
SUSPIRIA: EIE
ASD: EII
SAYONARA: ILI
Hope you guys don't find my battle typings too contradictory to your own but it is what it is fellas.
Someone take a stab at mine?
None of you people can actually guess a type for me that isn’t a meme type
I do not suffer fools gladly.
“I want the following word: splendor, splendor is fruit in all its succulence, fruit without sadness. I want vast distances. My savage intuition of myself.”
― Clarice Lispector
I'm not battletyping or willing to die over this typing of you (just wanted to save you 120 USD while memeing) but from what I've noticed, your posts here seem to be for maximum impact. I'd note not really for the jugular or to disarm people, more merry and for emotional impact. Sparkling and effervescent, which isn't Fi or SLE. That leaves ESE and EIE. I would have to say you're an Se valuer due to the directness, Beta due to the values, etc. This is just my take though, and I don't seek to impose anything.
Socionics is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have, but I have it.
one thing I noticed about the chat is that extroverted types seem to prefer bold and colourful fonts, while introverts (especially when logical) are more inclined to not care about it, or they have a neutral and black font. the reason could be that extroverts want their messages to be noticed. DEAD is rather unresponsive a lot of the time, doesn't immediatly reply, but that's just a limited observation since we didn't have all that much contact. I would say that I can rule out EIE, he just doesn't bring all that much excitment to the chat, doesn't write 10 messages in a row etc. on the other hand he does appear like an extrovert to me from the way he carries himself. I suspect that he could be a normalising or harmonising subtype (accentuated introverted functions), making it difficult for him to really find a type that fits.
Is xSI at all plausible for me?
Fair enough but I don't think that I really care that much about emotional impact. I don't type things for emotional impact, nor think that I am genuinely an overly merry person in real life. Sometimes I admit that I do things for a reaction, but it's not like I'm the drama queen of the universe. And I think that values in general are quite vague. Pretty clique and stereotypical. They also confuse a lot of people because of how they overlap, and how the types are categorised. I definitely do not have creative Ni, based on what I know of it either. And I know you don't want to cram it down my throat and I appreciate it, but I'm also going to add my two cents on top of what you've said here.
Yeah, I'm really not that exciting in general. I get tired of emotional, high energy atmopsheres quickly in general. I need to be drunk or be in the real mood to be in one, which isn't enough of the time. I would say that all in all, I can do it if I have to. But it's not a constant for me. I'm not a positive, or overly merry person in general. I just like to keep more to myself but I'll give you a peace of my mind if I have to. I'll sort you out.
I just also think that Gulenko's DCNH system unnescesarily overcomplicates some things for the sake of $120. You are either an EIE, SEE, LSI, LII whatever but you are that type solely. Yes, you can be LII and prefer to use Ti, but I think that the notion of being, say an LII with accentuated Fi defeats the purpose of the original system (A). Fi is your role. It plays the part it has to in your psyche. Nothing more, nothing less. In my opinion, it doesn't make sense. It's just trying to squeeze things to make them seem "right" so that the money seems worth it, when in some cases it really isn't.
And yet you didn't type him after this astro level reading. He may not "bring excitement to the chat" but that doesn't change that I've interacted with him and I think he's bursting with Fe. He really does post 10+ messages in chats and constantly burst with emotion (different than from being emotional), if you think that rules out Fe ego then I've no idea what to tell you.
Socionics is a dangerous thing for a woman like me to have, but I have it.
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
Evidence of correlations between human partners based on systematic reviews and meta-analyses of traits
I mean maybe he does, but like I said I haven't had a lot of interactions with him in chat. I only noticed that he very often says hi. I completely ignore chat unless I choose to write stuff (I generally "blank out" anything that is not important for me at a given moment including messages, profiles etc.), and I try to only voice typings when I've reached a certain level of certainty. right now I'm unsure about his type so I will refrain. just wanted to give my two cents since he seems to look for some answers.
Anyone still think ESE for me?