Gulenko's typings of forum members AKA Big G SquaD

[Adam Strange]

I'm probably between creative and normalizing on the DCNH spectrum, but what always baffled me was how sensitive strong normalizers are to everything and everyone who steps out of the line. And then they get super angry about nothing and do this kind of weird passive-agressive shit:



I'm thinking like, wtf? Who has time for petty finger-wagging like that? I get it, it's annoying when others don't respect the rules, but just be normal and learn to care less, because this person obviously doesn't give a f*** about what others think anyway

Is that your car? My SLI-Te son has five cars that all look a lot like that. They might be that same car. He drives a lot and wants something super-reliable. He rotates them in, buying one when he finds a great deal on it, and then selling the worst model. Why five, I have no idea.

And Yeah, he gets super bent out of shape when people don't stay in their lanes. He calls that "taking their half of the road out of the middle". He always parks far from the entrance to a place because he basically doesn't trust anyone to not drive straight into his car.

[The Reality Denialist]

I have been wondering if some N-subs have such a strong Fi or Ti accentuation that it leads to OCD

Or OCPD depending on if normalizing is ego-dystonic or ego-syntonic condition.

[Lolita]

I’m not positive...Been thinking about it... I think my dad is SLI-N and my mom is IEE-D or C, although I might change my mind later. Mom seems like she could be EJ or EP.


Some short info (but probably too long lol) about them & my childhood ->

 

Dad is a business owner of a construction company. Doing what his father did. He did and still does most of the work himself, occasionally hiring people to help him (they usually get mad at him or fall out at some point lol).He isn’t very agreeable and most people have a hard time working with him long term, and they say he works them into the ground so he can make good money and they get screwed. But he is good at what he does, has the equipment, the business, the knowledge of it all, and people like to complain because he’s a bit of a Scrooge I guess lol. A tightwad. He’s a very reliable and dutiful hard worker. He’s worked himself into the ground and my mom spends all his money on frivolous things, he claims. I don’t want to get in the middle of it. Lol. And he lets her have control of his money. Or at least he used to. Mom suspects he’s been putting money back. I know nothing. lol. He wasn’t all that involved in my upbringing in the sense that he never disciplined me or felt he needed to. He was mainly a provider, a reliable constant, and played board games, and video games with me at night, in a friendly Fi bonding manner. Very quiet, mysterious guy. Pretty critical.


Mom is a bit more complicated. She has some issues from growing up. She felt her mother didn’t buy her the things she needed/wanted, so she wanted us (her kids) to have the things she didn’t. So she spoiled my sister and I. She’s someone, if you ask if you can borrow 10$, she’ll give you 400$, and not expect you to pay her back, or probably won’t even let you pay her back (in contrast to my father who if you ask to borrow 10$, he will give you 10$. He won’t try to get you to pay him back, but will judge you eternally for not doing it lol). This is the environment I grew up in.


Mom was the one mainly involved in my upbringing. We didn’t spend too much time at home. We spent a lot of time driving around, shopping, and eating at fine restaurants instead of meals at home. Mom didn’t like cooking. She also emphasized getting my sister and I involved. Whatever I was interested in, she’d get me lessons for it. Piano, ballet, dog showing, guitar. She was into aristocracy social stuff, too. Who is who, how ‘popular’ they are. Very aware of the fashion trends. Mom was all over the place, very adhd like...very positive, despite being hyper and neurotic. Major Pollyanna attitude. My mom definitely wears the pants in her marriage. She is much more agreeable than my dad, but she is built like a line backer and seems almost immune to my dads criticizing and can really hold her own against him.
Also, dad always did the actual labor part of the business, but my mom handled all the bills/accounting (actually got a degree in accounting) for his business. She’s very clean and organized and even her housekeeper complains she too clean and doesn’t want to come as often (and mom was mad about it lol). She’s a bit of a germaphobe and has OCD issues about cleanliness, health, and safety. Which has in term also given me issues. I think it makes me neurotically focus on cleanliness and order, and I am ‘bad’ if I’m not and it makes me feel bad about myself. And since I’m naturally a slob, it’s definitely given me a complex. I’ve talked about it a lot with my therapist lol




Anyway, that was the environment I grew up in. It didn’t prepare me much for the real world, tbh. And I’ve told my mom I wish she would have prepared me a bit better, because it was very unrealistic and when I got out on my own, it was a real wake up call, and I’ve had a hard time dealing. First world problems, and all that..lol and basically I get depressed if I’m broke, but I hate to admit it. But I’m also not good at working. Upbringing really emphasized materialism.

I think your dad sounds like he values Te>Ti type so Gamma or Delta, but not sure if logical or ethical. Your mom sounds like she values Fe>Fi so Alpha or Beta, but again, from limited info I can’t tell if logical or ethical. I can tell she doesn’t value Te because of the part that if someone asked for $10 she would give them $400 and not expect payment. It sounds like an Fe gesture to appear over the top generous. I’m actually very exacting with money and finances (G said that SEE-N and SEE-D are very calculating) and I although I’m easy going in general, but when it comes to treating people for food and drinks, lending money, etc. I know exactly how much and I’ll clearly spell out the agreed terms of agreement. I wouldn’t throw money around even when I did have money to do so. SEE, ILI, LSE, EII have valued Te- which is practical savings and on the surface, I think your dad is one of those. As for your mom, I don’t know which Fe she exhibits but for general reference, Fe- likes to joke around but have spontaneous outbursts of negative emotions and Fe+ is trying to make everyone feel good. If my memory is correct: EIE, LSI, SEI, ILE have valued Fe- and ESE, LII, IEI, SLE have valued Fe+. It might be easier to ask some other relatives for what they observed in your parents to give you “outside” perspective. Typing parents is the hardest due to the nature of parent-child relationship.

[Lolita]

it seems to me that normalising logical types, especially if they are men, are more obsessed about structural rules, and that you conform to them, so they have a heavier focus on Ti. this is especially visible for me in the company I work in, which is rather technical and full of normalising ST types. normalising ethical types, especially if they are women, seem to have a stronger accentuation on Fi, which leads to cautios, over-anxious behavior. they care more that you follow social rules.

I laugh at that because it’s true but not entirely. I think N subs will have high developments of both Ti and Fi no matter if they’re logical or ethical. I don’t agree with the anxious part for ethical as I’m not anxious, but my dad is a logical N sub and he’s anxious. As for the cautiousness, maybe I’m more so compared to regular SEEs but in terms of general cautiousness, no, I’m not since I’m still Se lead.

However, politeness is paramount to me as being socially considerate towards others has always has been inherently a “thing” to me even when I was a little kid. I wasn’t raised to be that way, as my mother said, I’m naturally “very moral.” I don’t expect people to treat me in any type of way, but when I see what I think is “out of line,” I’ll make sure to point it out so that things don’t further get out of hand and it’ll get corrected. I hate chaos, although I can handle actual chaos in the moment rather well, just the idea of chaos makes me throw up. I actually thought that was because of where I grew up (which still could be a cultural thing but I also grew up in the same place with some of the most chaotic, grumpy, rudeass bitches and we’re still friends). I hate stuff that’s “wrong” both logically and interpersonally as I find that to be unacceptable and I’ll directly address it for both Ti (“You didn’t follow directions which is why you’re wrong and that proves my point that you’re a dumbass”) and Fi reasons (“What you need to do is take your attitude down 3 notches and don’t need to be acting like we don’t got lives to be waiting on your dumbass”).

My dad is LSI-N. He also likes to call out both wrong stuff on Ti and Fi. He’s actually really good with the Fi stuff, but it’s super limited to those he’s close with (probably due to the aristocracy thing). Since N sub logicals are more confident with the Ti, it’s very likely that they exhibit mainly Ti in public spheres, as my dad does. Fi side is probably more prominent in private spheres and with my dad, it’s with my mom, me, his favorite sister, and very rarely with current wife (I think it’s because he doesn’t know her as well even though they’ve been married for like 12 years). My dad can’t let go of my mom and they’ve been divorced for a very long time. He still trusts her with money and they still share a bank account together where they both make periodic deposits (it’s money for me, actually). I’ve ran away many times as a kid and teenager and every time, my mom (SEE-D) would act cool like “oh well she’ll come back eventually,” but my dad would straight up panic and sought for me high and low. I went years in early adulthood without saying a single word to him, but he refused to let me go. He would keep communication lines open and send me weekly texts to check up on me and made monthly deposit into my checking account. Spring and Winter times he would send me care packages (allergy meds, a list of reminders what I’m allergic to, etc.). He still does this, but with less intensity. So like I say, I think G is totally right that normalizing subs have both elevated Ti + Fi development.

[Lolita]

Yeah. I’ve never planned on living by myself or saw it was ideal. DH and I have been together since I was 16/ him 17. Things just happened and worked out that way, and when it became time to move on from our parents, we just assumed it would be together. So when we moved out, we moved in together. It makes me nervous thinking of kids growing up, moving out, DH dying and being by myself. I think I’d be truly depressed living on my own.

You say it’s a scary thought because you’re not used to being on your own, but I think once you’re actually in that situation, you’ll find a way to adapt. I think for N subs, we don’t like the idea or the thought of being alone. I think we don’t think such things because that’s not the natural “order” of things. I didn’t ever think I’d be single since I was with an LSI-H since we were teens and went to college together. We followed each other to the ends of the earth. I went to Russia with him when he went there for his internship and he abandoned his studies and raced 800 miles back to me when I thought we were over. When we did breakup, it was extremely hard for both of us but for me, I cried nearly everyday for 1.5 years. Even when I was with the one after him who was also an LSI (this time N), I still felt for the one before. I think I loved the LSI-N but left him due to other reasons and it was years ago but even now, he still sends me messages to reach out (he’s asked me to try again but I’ve refused multiple times, but I’m happy he’s alive and doing well for himself). I was with an SEE (probably C sub) after that and he did some bad things but turned himself in and went to jail (I know, it’s very stereotypical lol). The day he was released, he contacted me and told me he knew we were meant to spend our lives together, but I said no to him because I was in law school at the time and didn’t want to leave it. After I finished, I came looking for him, but then found out he died. I’ve mourned for him and since then, I’ve stayed alone and I’m surprised I’m not lonely. I know I’m still young and I don’t mind getting married at 30 or over, but I’ve also had the idea that I may never find anyone after. I’ve had 3 chances at love, and it’s hard for me to “feel” closeness. I always thought I’d be feeling lonely by not having someone, but I actually got used to being single and now, I’m not sure I’d ever give up my freedom.

[Aster]

I think your dad sounds like he values Te>Ti type so Gamma or Delta, but not sure if logical or ethical. Your mom sounds like she values Fe>Fi so Alpha or Beta, but again, from limited info I can’t tell if logical or ethical. I can tell she doesn’t value Te because of the part that if someone asked for $10 she would give them $400 and not expect payment. It sounds like an Fe gesture to appear over the top generous. I’m actually very exacting with money and finances (G said that SEE-N and SEE-D are very calculating) and I although I’m easy going in general, but when it comes to treating people for food and drinks, lending money, etc. I know exactly how much and I’ll clearly spell out the agreed terms of agreement. I wouldn’t throw money around even when I did have money to do so. SEE, ILI, LSE, EII have valued Te- which is practical savings and on the surface, I think your dad is one of those. As for your mom, I don’t know which Fe she exhibits but for general reference, Fe- likes to joke around but have spontaneous outbursts of negative emotions and Fe+ is trying to make everyone feel good. If my memory is correct: EIE, LSI, SEI, ILE have valued Fe- and ESE, LII, IEI, SLE have valued Fe+. It might be easier to ask some other relatives for what they observed in your parents to give you “outside” perspective. Typing parents is the hardest due to the nature of parent-child relationship.

Thanks! Actually that was extremely helpful Writing it out and getting feedback helps.

I did make threads about my dad and my Mom once. I think a lot of people thought he looked Gamma NT, if my memory serves me right. He could be ILI if I really think about it. He’s just so private, I don’t even think I know him well. I told my SO, who works with him occasionally, and they are kind of ‘friends’, that I think he knows my dad better than I do. I don’t even know what he likes that much, kind of music he likes, his opinion on religion. My SO told me he was talking to him one day about the Bible, and my dad knew a lot about it and it surprised him. I was like, what??

Ive considered ESE for my mom before. It just sounds so cliche, my mom being ESE lol And she is probably one the most ADHD people I know. I could see her being Ni PoLR. I thought before she could be Te PoLR because of how she is with money, but she’s just so extrovert. I don’t know, I think you’re right, she could be ESE, maybe ESE-C. I guess that would make sense

[Aster]

You say it’s a scary thought because you’re not used to being on your own, but I think once you’re actually in that situation, you’ll find a way to adapt. I think for N subs, we don’t like the idea or the thought of being alone. I think we don’t think such things because that’s not the natural “order” of things. I didn’t ever think I’d be single since I was with an LSI-H since we were teens and went to college together. We followed each other to the ends of the earth. I went to Russia with him when he went there for his internship and he abandoned his studies and raced 800 miles back to me when I thought we were over. When we did breakup, it was extremely hard for both of us but for me, I cried nearly everyday for 1.5 years. Even when I was with the one after him who was also an LSI (this time N), I still felt for the one before. I think I loved the LSI-N but left him due to other reasons and it was years ago but even now, he still sends me messages to reach out (he’s asked me to try again but I’ve refused multiple times, but I’m happy he’s alive and doing well for himself). I was with an SEE (probably C sub) after that and he did some bad things but turned himself in and went to jail (I know, it’s very stereotypical lol). The day he was released, he contacted me and told me he knew we were meant to spend our lives together, but I said no to him because I was in law school at the time and didn’t want to leave it. After I finished, I came looking for him, but then found out he died. I’ve mourned for him and since then, I’ve stayed alone and I’m surprised I’m not lonely. I know I’m still young and I don’t mind getting married at 30 or over, but I’ve also had the idea that I may never find anyone after. I’ve had 3 chances at love, and it’s hard for me to “feel” closeness. I always thought I’d be feeling lonely by not having someone, but I actually got used to being single and now, I’m not sure I’d ever give up my freedom.

[Lolita]

Thanks! Actually that was extremely helpful Writing it out and getting feedback helps.

I did make threads about my dad and my Mom once. I think a lot of people thought he looked Gamma NT, if my memory serves me right. He could be ILI if I really think about it. He’s just so private, I don’t even think I know him well. I told my SO, who works with him occasionally, and they are kind of ‘friends’, that I think he knows my dad better than I do. I don’t even know what he likes that much, kind of music he likes, his opinion on religion. My SO told me he was talking to him one day about the Bible, and my dad knew a lot about it and it surprised him. I was like, what??

Ive considered ESE for my mom before. It just sounds so cliche, my mom being ESE lol And she is probably one the most ADHD people I know. I could see her being Ni PoLR. I thought before she could be Te PoLR because of how she is with money, but she’s just so extrovert. I don’t know, I think you’re right, she could be ESE, maybe ESE-C. I guess that would make sense

ILI dad with ESE mom doesn’t sound so bad but they would be in totally separate spheres. An ILI told me, “Gammas rip each other off so it’s ok. Just business.”

From what I understand, supervision is the most common for marriages. Your mom could be EIE and supervise your ILI dad. If she’s Fe lead, it’s a matter of determining where Se is for her, because ESEs are actually very strong with Se... they just address conflict in a dramatic but weird, jokey fighting way like Cardi B (it’s the Ne mob).

[Still Alive]

Or OCPD depending on if normalizing is ego-dystonic or ego-syntonic condition.

I also have been wondering if autistic people are mostly normalising subtypes.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism...ucksinarow.jpg

[Still Alive]

it would imo make ILI-N the most common type among autists

[Aster]

ILI dad with ESE mom doesn’t sound so bad but they would be in totally separate spheres. An ILI told me, “Gammas rip each other off so it’s ok. Just business.”

From what I understand, supervision is the most common for marriages. Your mom could be EIE and supervise your ILI dad. If she’s Fe lead, it’s a matter of determining where Se is for her, because ESEs are actually very strong with Se... they just address conflict in a dramatic but weird, jokey fighting way like Cardi B (it’s the Ne mob).

lol my dads been called a screwball well people might just be mad they have to pay him or aren’t feeling he is paying them enough...but yeah my parents don’t get along so great. I think they just stay married because dad is used to mom and she handles all his financial affairs and house work...and mom is financially reliant on dad. Things seemed to get worse after I moved out because I guess they didn’t have much reason to put up a farce of civility and now sleep in separate rooms. I didn’t have a bad upbringing though, if they are conflictors lol I think it’s more likely my mom is ESE>EIE

[Adam Strange]

lol my dads been called a screwball well people might just be mad they have to pay him or aren’t feeling he is paying them enough...but yeah my parents don’t get along so great. I think they just stay married because dad is used to mom and she handles all his financial affairs and house work...and mom is financially reliant on dad. Things seemed to get worse after I moved out because I guess they didn’t have much reason to put up a farce of civility and now sleep in separate rooms. I didn’t have a bad upbringing though, if they are conflictors lol I think it’s more likely my mom is ESE>EIE

My parents were Mirrors (LSE & SLI) and my father said that the sex stopped after the third child. Incredibly enough, he stayed faithful to her.

They wouldn't argue much, but they wouldn't talk much, either. My mother was always low-level angry at my dad for not taking her anywhere, but she complained more to her kids about this than to him, I think. I think I saw my SLI dad flare up at her for about ten seconds, two or three times in my life. But he'd immediately return to placid seas.

You don't have to be Conflictors to prefer sleeping in separate rooms.

[Aster]

My parents were Mirrors (LSE & SLI) and my father said that the sex stopped after the third child. Incredibly enough, he stayed faithful to her.

They wouldn't argue much, but they wouldn't talk much, either. My mother was always low-level angry at my dad for not taking her anywhere, but she complained more to her kids about this than to him, I think. I think I saw my SLI dad flare up at her for about ten seconds, two or three times in my life. But he'd immediately return to placid seas.

You don't have to be Conflictors to prefer sleeping in separate rooms.

my dad hasn’t been faithful to my mom from the beginning, which is a large part of their problems. this last time was the last straw for my mom. I’m not sure how they were before, but my mom is pretty resentful. she tried to leave dad the first time, but times were different back then.

[Adam Strange]

^ whoa.

I can't imagine my parents cheating on each other.

I can't imagine me cheating on a partner. If my partner cheated, I think we'd be done. Period. No, wait. I know we'd be done.

I told my last GF that she wasn't the One, and I was dating other women, but I wasn't having sex with them, and if I did, I'd tell her right away so she could make other plans.

I don't know how screwed up that is, but at least it shows a little respect for the other person. I'm not lying to her. Not one bit.



After my divorce, I found a new GF fairly soon thereafter. I think my ex was pissed for some reason. Why, IDK. But I introduced her to a guy who seems to be a Dual IEE to her SLI, and she moved in with him last March.

About a week ago, she emailed me a link to a Zoom meeting, where she briefly wished me happy Holidays. I asked he what that was in the background. It looked like the material from a dress my mother used to wear. The pattern was large pink roses on a black background.
"It's wallpaper" she said. "I'm in the bedroom."
My first thought was, "Black wallpaper with pink roses in the bedroom? WTF?" My second thought was, "This must be her way of showing me that we're equal." Lol.

Tit for Tat.

[Lolita]

my dad hasn’t been faithful to my mom from the beginning, which is a large part of their problems. this last time was the last straw for my mom. I’m not sure how they were before, but my mom is pretty resentful. she tried to leave dad the first time, but times were different back then.

Welp. That’s certainly going to cause some instability. As for conflictors, I think that relation bears more of a repressed tension. With supervision, it’s outright, blatant conflict and there’s no denying the conflicts are inescapable.

I don’t know what my maternal grandparents are, considering my grandfather died young, long before I was born. He was known to carry on and had many affairs, but my granny (I think she’s SLE) was always tough and confrontational, went and chased off all the side women and raged at her husband but was very decidedly devoted to him. From what my mom said about her father, it sounds like he was LSI. They had a very long history, grew up in the same neighborhood and were teenage sweethearts and married at 17/18. The tragic part in all of this, my mom was a child and used to follow her mother to watch how her mother confronted all those women. My granny was not afraid to use violence against them. After he died, she stayed constant to his memory. But their lives were very “tumultuous,” the precise word my mom used. At any rate, it wasn’t ever directly talked about, the infidelities. My mom and her siblings all agreed that their mother literally “went insane” after her husband unexpectedly died so young (he was in the military). At that point, my mom was around 12 or 13, and she said she endured many years being at the receiving end of her mother’s narcissistic rage.

Contrast with my parents who are direct supervision (LSI-N and SEE-D) that they also grew up boy/girl next door and my mom was still a teenager when she married my dad who had barely graduated college. She married him to get away from the abuse she endured with her mother, and although my dad is exceedingly rigid and domineering towards her, he was faithful and dutiful, loved her in a suffocating, obsessive and violent way. She ran away from one abusive home straight to another. Despite all that, my mom to this day said she never regretted enduring my dad. She preferred to be beaten by him over her mother. She said she will always love him, because he’s dutiful and even though he didn’t do right by her, she said that she’s confident that he’ll always do right through me. Maybe my dad does try hard with me because he said I carry all the best traits of my mom and him.

Down the line, I’m SEE and looking at my relationships, the longest and best ones were with LSIs. They didn’t beat me but they definitely supervised me and loved me in the possessive and obsessive way that mirrored my parents. Sometimes I think we’re just wired to repeat the same thing that we grew up with because it’s unconscious, and no matter how much one tries to escape it, it’ll be there waiting for you on the other end.

[Northstar]

I can now attest to Gulenko getting at least one more typing right since he just concluded my typing and confirmed my self-typing was correct down to the DCNH subtype

In a way it was a waste of money because I didn't learn anything new and had no type doubts, but I'll take it as a confirmation from the author that I have understood and applied the Model G and DCNH theories correctly.

It's also nice to have an "expert opinion" that you in fact are able to accurately self type without outside help and aren't delusional about your own type, isn't it "ex-SLE" @Kiana ?

[Northstar]

For those that are interested, here are links to my videos

First video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWWeeeC3CR0

Second video after receiving new questions (this is the longest "main" video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK7_pW7xDII

Response to typing (they will post this on their website): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9cmXWeTXpo

[Lolita]

I can now attest to Gulenko getting at least one more typing right since he just concluded my typing and confirmed my self-typing was correct down to the DCNH subtype

In a way it was a waste of money because I didn't learn anything new and had no type doubts, but I'll take it as a confirmation from the author that I have understood and applied the Model G and DCNH theories correctly.

It's also nice to have an "expert opinion" that you in fact are able to accurately self type without outside help and aren't delusional about your own type, isn't it "ex-SLE" @Kiana ?

All that tells me is I’m right that you're a hypocrite. Oh boo boo you’re such a victim because you’ve buckled under pressure and sought validation from Gulenko just so you can brag about it. All that time you spent studying the information given in this thread about G’s process, SGF’s responses to info on Ti, and my responses on Se was not a waste since you used it in your typing videos. Congrats on being the SLE poster boy for delusional, narcissistic people who believe they can correctly self-analyze through you.

[Northstar]

All that tells me is I’m right that you're a hypocrite. Oh boo boo you’re such a victim because you’ve buckled under pressure and sought validation from Gulenko just so you can brag about it. All that time you spent studying the information given in this thread about G’s process, SGF’s responses to info on Ti, and my responses on Se was not a waste since you used it in your typing videos. Congrats on being the SLE poster boy for delusional, narcissistic people who believe they can correctly self-analyze through you.

Yeah these sour grapes made it worth spending the 120 bucks for Godlenko to tell me what I already knew, lmao.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

A lot of amateur armchair psychology in this thread. In my professional opinion.

[The Reality Denialist]

A lot of amateur armchair psychology in this thread. In my professional opinion.

Let's slip into something more comfortable and lie on a sofa [ah, surprising double meaning] next to Freud.

[kingslayer]

For those that are interested, here are links to my videos

First video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWWeeeC3CR0

Second video after receiving new questions (this is the longest "main" video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK7_pW7xDII

Response to typing (they will post this on their website): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9cmXWeTXpo

Ok now I see the EP temp more... you seemed more ij in your old videos. You do however seem like a very heavy ji sub to me.

Sle ti 3

I'll accept my 122 through venmo

[Vex]

I can now attest to Gulenko getting at least one more typing right since he just concluded my typing and confirmed my self-typing was correct down to the DCNH subtype

In a way it was a waste of money because I didn't learn anything new and had no type doubts, but I'll take it as a confirmation from the author that I have understood and applied the Model G and DCNH theories correctly.

It's also nice to have an "expert opinion" that you in fact are able to accurately self type without outside help and aren't delusional about your own type, isn't it "ex-SLE" @Kiana ?

Very convenient how you didn't mention how you have mistyped numerous people who have also gotten typed by Gulenko. SGF as IEI (lol what), TGF as EII/Delta, and me as EIE (I already had thoughts I was introverted for a while, hence what moved me to get typed. There is no shame in that, especially given the dynamics before hand where I like many others were essentially pushed into a type). There are probably more mistypes if I took the time to think about it. Some of these typings you keep pushing to this day since you refuse to listen to anyone outside your own understanding when it comes to the structure, and when you are typed by someone, you are put into their structure which is an entire learning experience in itself. So no, you're not on the level Gulenko is or even of his students, don't act like it or put those under fire who have gotten typed and have admitted to learning something from it, which is in direct contrast to you and how you treat all of this and Gulenko's experience.

[marooned]

Why do you @Kiana @Vex demand our conformity? Why do you demand N? Do you not know it is death? Liberate yourselves.

Someone telling you what you are cannot save you if you cannot understand it and find that conclusion yourself. You will remain as lost as you always were.

Gulenko cannot give anyone identity. He cannot resolve the challenge of the image triad for you.

He is not God.

[Vex]

Why do you @Kiana @Vex demand our conformity?

I've said multiple times that I don't care who gets typed and who doesn't. But guess who made a huge deal out of people being typed? Forumites. My sentiments regarding this have been buried over and over and over again since people complain about "authority" and "the system" not being how they want it to. Well, that's life. I didn't even make a thread announcing I got typed or anything like that. Just posted about it in the typology random thoughts thread. When I saw that @Reyne made this thread, it made my stomach churn because firstly I didn't want to be on a list like this (I do NOT see my typing as a trophy and I don't like the idea of a G gang), and secondly because I knew it was going to make a bunch of people on the forum freak out.

Why do you demand N? Do you not know it is death? Liberate yourselves.

I really don't understand this. I'm a C subtype. I'm just calling out hypocrisy in his post.

Someone telling you what you are cannot save you if you cannot understand it and find that conclusion yourself. You will remain as lost as you always were.

Gulenko cannot give anyone identity. He cannot resolve the challenge of the image triad for you.

Yup. I knew I was IEI. It's what I originally typed as here and that's why I got typed in the first place. I got tired of being pushed into EIE, but since they're mirrors, it makes sense on the surface. Overall, I agree someone can't give identity. There are people who have gone to Gulenko and disagreed because they get too absorbed in their own identity or view of themselves. Socionics doesn't even assign identity, so what I talk about though in my post isn't even about identity, and that wasn't even my reason for getting typed. Everything I talk about is for purely structural reasons. For a few, sure, they got typed for identity. Though most people who got typed by him just wanted to do it for funsies.

He is not God.

Yeah of course not. He is the most credible person in this field, though.

[Northstar]

Very convenient how you didn't mention how you have mistyped numerous people who have also gotten typed by Gulenko. SGF as IEI (lol what), TGF as EII/Delta, and me as EIE (I already had thoughts I was introverted for a while, hence what moved me to get typed. There is no shame in that, especially given the dynamics before hand where I like many others were essentially pushed into a type). There are probably more mistypes if I took the time to think about it. Some of these typings you keep pushing to this day since you refuse to listen to anyone outside your own understanding when it comes to the structure, and when you are typed by someone, you are put into their structure which is an entire learning experience in itself. So no, you're not on the level Gulenko is or even of his students, don't act like it or put those under fire who have gotten typed and have admitted to learning something from it, which is in direct contrast to you and how you treat all of this and Gulenko's experience.

I see you are treating my post as if every single typing of others I've made is correct. Of course not, nobody gets every typing correct. This was more about my self-typing supposedly being delusional (ha ha).

When it comes to the people you mention, you're reversing the timeline on SGF. Yes, he went on a wild ride of constantly changing typings including SLI, IEE, IEI, ILI and ILE before his Gulenko typing and my first ever suggestion was SLI, followed by Ni leading (more likely IEI) and then grudgingly ILE. If you refresh your memory, I was among the first to hail his LSI-H typing being a "stroke of genius" and have backed this typing ever since. I don't completely reject or accept any source of information, everyone has their good and bad moments. That's high-D Ti for you. In the case of TGF, yes I continue to doubt LSI and I don't think she even herself feels this to be correct. Fi leading type is still my opinion. As for you, EIE has always seemed like a better fit in my opinion, however IEI-Fe alternative is not in the category of "delusional" in my opinion as these impressions are based on online behavior and not videos.

All these typings are still opinions and I reject the idea that anyone's typing (including mine) here or even Gulenko's should be taken as absolute truths. Battle typing is an annoying but common feature of the forums that you just have to deal with, best thing to do is to remember that everyone is full of varying amounts of shit and the level of certainty someone has does not have anything to do with how correct they actually are.

[Sol]

When Gulenko was lesser corrupted by heresies he made not bad dichotomy test.
Later in 2003 with Talanov he made 8 functional test LoGit, which seems was abandoned.

[The Reality Denialist]

Gulenko is posessed. I think we need a self proclaimed NF to exorcise him back to purity. Spare no crosses and holy water.

[Vex]

I see you are treating my post as if every single typing of others I've made is correct. Of course not, nobody gets every typing correct. This was more about my self-typing supposedly being delusional (ha ha).

When it comes to the people you mention, you're reversing the timeline on SGF. Yes, he went on a wild ride of constantly changing typings including SLI, IEE, IEI, ILI and ILE before his Gulenko typing and my first ever suggestion was SLI, followed by Ni leading (more likely IEI) and then grudgingly ILE. If you refresh your memory, I was among the first to hail his LSI-H typing being a "stroke of genius" and have backed this typing ever since. I don't completely reject or accept any source of information, everyone has their good and bad moments. That's high-D Ti for you. In the case of TGF, yes I continue to doubt LSI and I don't think she even herself feels this to be correct. Fi leading type is still my opinion. As for you, EIE has always seemed like a better fit in my opinion, however IEI-Fe alternative is not in the category of "delusional" in my opinion as these impressions are based on online behavior and not videos.

All these typings are still opinions and I reject the idea that anyone's typing (including mine) here or even Gulenko's should be taken as absolute truths. Battle typing is an annoying but common feature of the forums that you just have to deal with, best thing to do is to remember that everyone is full of varying amounts of shit and the level of certainty someone has does not have anything to do with how correct they actually are.

I don't know what you mean by the bolded. All I was saying was that Gulenko is the most credible person alive (don't know why this is so controversial, but it's true), and for you or anybody else to imply that they're on the same level as Gulenko just because they were able to guess what type G would give them is ridiculous. Yeah, I think most people should be able to guess what type G would give them. At least this is what most of the people who have gotten typed have told me.

As for the underlined, yes, I remember that and we even discussed it in this thread iirc. I didn't understand why you went so cold towards G all of the sudden just because others were getting typed by him. That wasn't consistent in my point of view.

Battle typing is always going to be a thing on forums, I agree and have stated this. It's just the nature of typology forums for people to want to guess other's types, and it's true other people are full of crap. Places and fields like this attract people full of crap. But I still think people going to a "big shot" like G is a good opportunity for people to learn, and people shouldn't get so stuck in their ways or thinking since it's led Socionics to it's current state. That's all I have to say on that aspect.

Congrats on your typing, btw.

[Northstar]

I don't know what you mean by the bolded. All I was saying was that Gulenko is the most credible person alive (don't know why this is so controversial, but it's true), and for you or anybody else to imply that they're on the same level as Gulenko just because they were able to guess what type G would give them is ridiculous. Yeah, I think most people should be able to guess what type G would give them. At least this is what most of the people who have gotten typed have told me.

As for the underlined, yes, I remember that and we even discussed it in this thread iirc. I didn't understand why you went so cold towards G all of the sudden just because others were getting typed by him. That wasn't consistent in my point of view.

Battle typing is always going to be a thing on forums, I agree and have stated this. It's just the nature of typology forums for people to want to guess other's types, and it's true other people are full of crap. Places and fields like this attract people full of crap. But I still think people going to a "big shot" like G is a good opportunity for people to learn, and people shouldn't get so stuck in their ways or thinking since it's led Socionics to it's current state. That's all I have to say on that aspect.

Congrats on your typing, btw.

The bolded part meant that I didn't end up typing him IEI, it was just one of the suggestions for him given that he was difficult to type. Based on his typing report, I suppose even Gulenko didn't seem to think it was fully obvious given how much DCNH needed to influence it. I don't imply that I'm on Gulenko's level on socionics knowledge, he's a very good theorist and I have always given him credit for this.

As for "going cold" on Gulenko, it's a reaction to people thinking that while he's very good at developing the theory that it would translate into the best typing skills as well. He's not at all bad at typing, but neither is he infallible. I think this typing service for English speakers is pretty expensive given how little time is spent on it (length of the videos, no interview interaction and not a whole lot of analysis). This probably explains why some of the typings aren't correct imo. Some people are easier to type than others and those who weren't correctly typed might have gotten a better typing with more time spent on it.
I think the "lack of consistency" is that while I value his theoretics, I wasn't convinced of the correctness of his typings to the same degree that some were. It's again not treating him as a socionist as a monolith that is either great or bad at everything. Anyway, his typing matches are definitely higher than most people's and I'm not claiming I'm better at typing others than he is. But regarding my own type, I would not have considered him typing me something obviously wrong (say, SEI) to be correct despite his credentials. Having spent plenty of time on the subject I think my self-typing was and is objective. I'm old enough to not base any facet of my self-image on a socionics typing and my feelings don't enter into this analysis.

Yes, if you want to spend money on typing then Gulenko is not a bad choice. There isn't a lot of time spent on it but then again his method is efficient and time-saving. However, it's also much cheaper to just buy his book because all his methods are basically described there, including how to type people. It's recommended anyway because just being handed down your type isn't going to be very useful without having the whole suite of socionics knowledge. Though it's useful to start with as a point of reference.

[kingslayer]

When Gulenko was lesser corrupted by heresies he made not bad dichotomy test.
Later in 2003 with Talanov he made 8 functional test LoGit, which seems was abandoned.

I got SLE on test. mayhe hes right after all

[Sol]

As for "going cold" on Gulenko, it's a reaction to people thinking that while he's very good at developing the theory that it would translate into the best typing skills as well.

He's good in developing of doubtful hypotheses. Developing of a theory supposes its objective usefulness, what needs experimental proofs.
What is not bad is his texts about normal theory. As having base T he describes in clear way, what is especially important for novices.

As for the typing - one of experienced typers. But they have low typing matches between themselves and hence doubtful accuracy (mb ~50%) + his usage of strange theories what may additionally reduce the accuracy.
The main theory producer was Jung. He thought his type as LII, while had ILI. It's an example how theory and practice skills may correlate.

[Aramas]

All these beta typings... So many betas lol

[Still Alive]

All these beta typings... So many betas lol

socionics is a theory that mostly attracts Ni and Ti valuing types. gamma and delta is more oriented towards objective theories (Te).

[Ave]

All these beta typings... So many betas lol

socionics is a theory that mostly attracts Ni and Ti valuing types. gamma and delta is more oriented towards objective theories (Te).

To my knowledge, four people got ILI typings too, only one is on that list though. Varlawend, Uniden, Paranoia Agent, and Desert Financial.

[Aramas]

To my knowledge, four people got ILI typings too, only one is on that list though. Varlawend, Uniden, Paranoia Agent, and Desert Financial.

True but I think there were more betas. Maybe it just felt like it.

[Aster]

Think Reyne might have ditched us. Looks like he might have deleted a bunch of posts and hasn’t been on for a while.

Maybe we could get a moderator to update the typings in OP? Whoever is a moderator now?
@Aylen @woofwoofl @DirectorAbbie @silke @mu4

[Still Alive]

To my knowledge, four people got ILI typings too, only one is on that list though. Varlawend, Uniden, Paranoia Agent, and Desert Financial.

ILI are also very interested in the theory because of base Ni. I think alpha, gamma and delta sensing types are probably the rarest.

[Ave]

True but I think there were more betas. Maybe it just felt like it.

No you're right beta was the most common.

[Ave]

Think Reyne might have ditched us. Looks like he might have deleted a bunch of posts and hasn’t been on for a while.

Maybe we could get a moderator to update the typings in OP? Whoever is a moderator now?
@Aylen @woofwoofl @DirectorAbbie @silke @mu4

I wouldn't count on him coming back for now, I agree a mod could update the thread's OP with the new typings.