What personal changes are you making to slow your contribution to climate change?

[nanashi]

Whatcha doin'?

Share your future changes in replies if you want to, but please only answer the poll based on changes you HAVE or ARE now making.




"Research shows that carbon taxes effectively reduce greenhouse gas emissions. There is overwhelming agreement among economists that carbon taxes are the most efficient and effective way to curb climate change, with the least adverse effects on the economy." Wikipedia.org

Why a carbon tax?


"Energy prices do not currently reflect these costs of greenhouse gas emissions. Those who benefit from burning fossil fuels generally do not pay for the environmental damage the emissions cause. Instead, this cost is borne by people around the world, including future generations. Imposing a carbon tax can help to correct this externality by raising the price of energy consumption to reflect its social cost."
(...What can the tax money go toward? One option"Rebating the revenues to households on a per capita basis would render the policy progressive, as lower-income households would be more than compensated for higher energy costs, while upper-income households would pay a net tax. "https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-carbon-tax#:~:text=Energy%20and%20Environmental%20Taxes,-<3%2F3&text=Emissions%20of%20carbon%20dioxide%20an d,to%20produce%20less%20of%20them.

[gone]

Nothing really i'm broke and depressed and just work and try to survive and i'm gonna have kids one day but i don't drive or fly a lot

[Adam Strange]

Nothing really i'm broke and depressed and just work and try to survive and i'm gonna have kids one day but i don't drive or fly a lot

Now imagine Eminem chanting this.

Conversationally, with bells tolling in background:

"Nothing really....."

Rhythm kicks in:

"I'm broke and depressed
And just work
And I try to survive
and I'm gonna have kids
one day
But I don't drive or don't fly"

Nice. Just need to pad this out to three and an half minutes.

[nanashi]

Nothing really i'm broke and depressed and just work and try to survive and i'm gonna have kids one day but i don't drive or fly a lot

Where can you get free counselling?
Are you utilizing the admittedly patchy safety net? Use what you can access.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

I'd like to become incredibly rich and then have huge number of trees planted near the equator (where they have a more optimal effect at being a carbon sync) after my death. At least, that's the excuse I use for delaying doing anything significant right now. One unknown is that my delay may significantly minimise the benefit.

[ouronis]

I don't have any kids and I'm not flying right now, but I can't say that either of those is to reduce my carbon impact..

I think that my favorite way would be to kill cows

[nanashi]

I'd like to become incredibly rich and then have huge number of trees planted near the equator (where they have a more optimal effect at being a carbon sync) after my death. At least, that's the excuse I use for delaying doing anything significant right now. One unknown is that my delay may significantly minimise the benefit.

Interesting on carbon sink @eq

[Adam Strange]

I don't have any kids and I'm not flying right now, but I can't say that either of those is to reduce my carbon impact..

I think that my favorite way would be to kill cows

If you stop eating beef or dairy, you won't have to kill anything. Farmers will just reduce the size of the herds.

[SGF]

I don't fly, euro 5 or above car this spring (maybe electric), replacing the old A to B (the audi has 300K+ km on it RIP).
I have a garden, plant trees e_e and do composting + other things I saw Varg do on his channel before the thought police banned him aka PERMACULTURE

Imo child free is for ppl who are stupid enough to fall for that, the carbon tax does nothing, farmland to make non animal products requires one to destroy ecosystems to do industrial farming, which is reliant on fossil fuels e_e.. idk, some of these are just dumb, like prioritising solar or wind, when both require tons of heavy metals, plastics and other processes which involve the use of fossil fuels for energy.. then they end up decimating some bird population in the area and coprorations pretend its all good.. cus its "Green TM" while they just chase perpetual growth on a planet with finite resources (capitalists can suck my d..)

[Aramas]

My carbon footprint is already as low as it can go. Rich people and corporations are where most of the carbon comes from. Go blame them instead of us peons.

[Sol]

The idea that people make bad climate change is not objective. Comparable climate changes were known before by different reasons. There are known even falsifications about climate changes.
Unscientific ecologic propaganda is used to reduce production of competing countries (competing for USA, 1st of all) and to reduce production in general for genocidic aim by hithleristic elites.

As for "to make the world better" there are different and more useful to take the attention ways, especially on individual level.

Also individualism and based on it capitalism, being decentralized are lesser efficient in resources management than more centralized collectivistic systems as socialism/communism, which have more means for general optimization. So opposing to individualism and capitalism may significantly help in resources usage.

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Those who want to care about ecology may stop to produce low quality products with small working time and without repair possibility - the problem which became higher since mid 2000s.
Should develop and do not resist its usage of more advanced energy technologies than oil/gas. As atomic energy, for example. More energy means technical progress. While technical progress is a threat for elites to stay at power so they block it since mid 20th century. Partly they do this by harming mass education and by harming cooperation abbility of people by the propaganda of individualism and amoralism.
Also, slower technology development leads to higher resources problem. As with technological progress people arise in quantity, what needs to take more resources (energy, for example) and to use resoucrs with more efficiency. This means the need of technological progress to go with fast enough speed to compensate extensive resources usage.
So, those who shout about ecology do the most to harm the ecology and life of people.

For useful "personal development" would be to know about Thomas Malthus mistake. Also something about Earth and evolution history - there climate changes are described. The last srtong changes were not long ago and evidently not because of people. Lesser and comparable to today changes happened during last 2000 years.
There is even positive possibility, if people indeed do a climate warmer - it's good, as natural changes lead to cold period which such becomes shifted. Also significant land as in Russia and Canada are too cold to live there - to become warmer would allow people to live there easier and have cheaper agreeculture.

I notice there becomes more and more of people hating propaganda in medias which supports genocidic hithlerists ideas. Ecologists are a part of it.
Close and recently created theme was there, where was directly offered mass genocide as a mean of resources management.

[Aramas]

The idea that people make bad climate change is not objective. Comparable climate changes were known before by different reasons. There are known even falsifications about climate changes.
Unscientific ecologic propaganda is used to reduce production of competing countries (competing for USA, 1st of all) and to reduce production in general for genocidic aim by hithleristic elites.

As for "to make the world better" there are different and more useful to take the attention ways, especially on individual level.

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Those who want to care about ecology may stop to produce low quality products with small working time and without repair possibility - the problem which became higher since mid 2000s.
Should develop and do not resist its usage of more advanced energy technologies than oil/gas. As atomic energy, for example. More energy means technical progress. While technical progress is a threat for elites to stay at power so they block it since mid 20th century. Partly they do this by harming mass education and by harming cooperation abbility of people by the propaganda of individualism and amoralism.
Also, slower technology development leads to higher resources problem. As with technological progress people arise in quantity, what needs to take more resources (energy, for example) and to use resoucrs with more efficiency.
So, those who shout about ecology do the most to harm the ecology and life of people.

There are 7 billion people on the planet. The tragedy of the commons has become global.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

What I said in a recent topic:

[...] I imagine primarily there needs to be some form of worldwide tax on the emission of greenhouse gases from anthropogenic sources.

[nanashi]

I don't have any kids and I'm not flying right now, but I can't say that either of those is to reduce my carbon impact..

I think that my favorite way would be to kill cows

the crap part of hitting constructive on a post's 1st part...you get down to 'senselessly kill' and are like.....oh shit.

[nanashi]

I don't fly, euro 5 or above car this spring (maybe electric), replacing the old A to B (the audi has 300K+ km on it RIP).
I have a garden, plant trees e_e and do composting + other things I saw Varg do on his channel before the thought police banned him aka PERMACULTURE

Imo child free is for ppl who are stupid enough to fall for that, the carbon tax does nothing, farmland to make non animal products requires one to destroy ecosystems to do industrial farming, which is reliant on fossil fuels e_e.. idk, some of these are just dumb, like prioritising solar or wind, when both require tons of heavy metals, plastics and other processes which involve the use of fossil fuels for energy.. then they end up decimating some bird population in the area and coprorations pretend its all good.. cus its "Green TM" while they just chase perpetual growth on a planet with finite resources (capitalists can suck my d..)

I like your permaculture work

question: what aspects concern you on effectiveness of carbon tax?

and I agreee that the realities are vital and interest me too regarding what's actually effective@your bird decimate example

another question: what part of the childfree choosing seems a) like something that could be a ploy versus just research? b) it's choice based. do you feel concerned it's coerced?

[nanashi]

There are 7 billion people on the planet. The tragedy of the commons has become global.

beautifully put

[nanashi]

My carbon footprint is already as low as it can go. Rich people and corporations are where most of the carbon comes from. Go blame them instead of us peons.

it's not a blame thing

and

i'd count your already educating yourself on the subject and, here, sharing with others about a target for change as advocacy

[Sol]

To remove genocidic propaganda and lie of ecologistic misanthrops would be good input in making life of people better.

[nanashi]

To remove genocidic propaganda and lie of ecologistic misanthrops would be good input in making life of people better.

I haven't supported genocide in this post.

I don't in general.

I also haven't shared any ecologic misanthropic lies in this post.

[moloko]

hmmm, well. i don't drive, practice minimalism, use only as much water and electricity as i need, use more biodegradable products, recycle not just containers/cans but also textiles, and soon ima try growing my own food

it's not like i try too hard on fixing climate issues but it is on the back of my mind and i do try to be very conscious of the things i do. i usually think if the things i'm doing are ethically sound and just base my decisions off that

[nanashi]

hmmm, well. i don't drive, practice minimalism, use only as much water and electricity as i need, use more biodegradable products, recycle not just containers/cans but also textiles, and soon ima try growing my own food

it's not like i try too hard on fixing climate issues but it is on the back of my mind and i do try to be very conscious of the things i do. i usually think if the things i'm doing are ethically sound and just base my decisions off that

Moloko, the electricity is an area I haven't worked on as much as I would like to. I use my laptop or cell for a lot of psych stimulus, for work, and for pleasure. I like hearing about your choices and how you're setting up your life. Inspiring/useful. thank you

[Cataclysm]

Meh, virtue signalling isn't for me.

[nanashi]

Meh, virtue signalling isn't for me.

Good. I didn't make the thread to virtue signal. So, you might find something of value here, yet

[Nobody]

I drive a PHEV, but I still take electricity from the grid. My roof is still pretty new, so it wouldn't make sense to go solar right now.

But I've been wondering if just having something like a Tesla Battery Pack is a good way to get ready for solar. I could pull cheap power from the grid at night and it would effectively pay for itself over so many years. Then when it's time to get a new roof, the solar investment would be more cost-effective. Plus, I'm hoping there will be more options for a solar integrated roof, similar to what Tesla is trying to do - something where the roof is the solar panel; that should be more cost-effective versus putting up a roof with panels over it.

And hopefully solar will get a bit more efficient and cheaper over the years. Possibly if they can make some semi-conductor breakthroughs with doping graphene or something similar that will make them more efficient and eventually cheaper overall. Computing might get a boost too in clock speeds, since supposedly graphene can handle higher clocks, without breaking down like silicone. Sometimes I wish I could just hibernate for hundreds of years and see what cool stuff humans make or if they just end up destroying each other.

[Great]

Consume less.

[nanashi]

Consume less.

aw, look at me turning off the light I can survive without...

directly because of this thread of others talking about usage.

I usually make the mistake of overusing things I have.

[Great]

Honestly, we who live Western lifestyles have to consume less if we want all the people in the world and future generations to have a semblance of the Western lifestyle we've created for ourselves and that others desire. This will require sacrifice in the short-term. Unfortunately, governments have put the onus on the masses when it's very large corporations who have done the most damage to the environment. Corporations are only concerned with making profits. They will use every means possible to ensure they continue making money.

Climate change is already here and irreversible damage has already been done. I don't see a way out that includes progress for mankind. All I see is decline.

[nanashi]

Honestly, we who live Western lifestyles have to consume less if we want all the people in the world and future generations to have a semblance of the Western lifestyle we've created for ourselves and that others desire. This will require sacrifice in the short-term. Unfortunately, governments have put the onus on the masses when it's very large corporations who have done the most damage to the environment. Corporations are only concerned with making profits. They will use every means possible to ensure they continue making money.

Constructive post!!

and then you get all Ne polr, and I'm like "No, no, internetstrangerhoney. There's always a way" 4dimensional Ne

Climate change is already here and irreversible damage has already been done. I don't see a way out that includes progress for mankind. All I see is decline
.

(don't worry, she knows there's a safe rescue beneath her)

[Capitalist Pig]

I disagree with most of the poll options as being effective or necessary. The best thing I can offer is supporting nuclear energy and fracking. We can't completely replace our dependency on fossil fuels just yet, but fracking and even offshore drilling is a great way to reduce our footprint and environmental impact.

I'm also a fan of anything that reduces our dependence on foreign oil, which allows us to regulate the means of production where we know it is being done safely and with respect for our environmental protections. It also minimizes the number of tankers sailing across entire oceans to our shore, risking catastrophic spills and the like.

The main focus for me is nuclear energy, however. Wind and solar are great, but nuclear is also very clean and very safe. You get way more energy out of a nuke plant than you do a solar array or wind farm.

[Santa Claus]

As we reach the end of another year - and a most difficult one at that (my hedge fund manager has stopped answering my calls!) - it gives us time to reflect on what is important.

Save the Planet if you don't mind going round smelling of beans, but it must not be at the expense of the consumer economy.

I am opposed to any form of tax on traveling. You cannot put a tax on the very spirit of freedom. Tax breaks for those who give gifts is a much more positive policy that I think people will be motivated by.

[Computer Loser]

Nothing.

[xerx]

I'm becoming a bike owner soon.

[xerx]

I've been reading a lot of climate change skepticism and there are a lot of bad takes. Like the idea that scientists cannot be trusted due to political motives — as insinuated by accusers with political motives of their own.

[purplegalaxy]

I got a reusable bag for whole foods.

Also veganism is not going to help the environment, it kills more animals.

[Great]

Based on this we still have 10 years! We can do a lot more. https://www.un.org/press/en/2019/ga12131.doc.htm

Update!

https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-an...0210805-p58g7u

[Aquamarine]

I think just getting reusable bags...otherwise not much really. We're all gonna die anyways.

Okay that sounded a bit too negative (But still true), but idk. To be honest I just don't feel that interested in climate change to do anything about it.

[Baqer]

The only real way that we could combat this would be with wide systematic change.

Nuclear power and making cities and suburbs that make cars optional and bikes/walking/public transport the norm could cut two of the biggest sources of climate change. Also try to make machines, or just plant enough trees, to absorb carbon.

[Adam Strange]

The only real way that we could combat this would be with wide systematic change.

Nuclear power and making cities and suburbs that make cars optional and bikes/walking/public transport the norm could cut two of the biggest sources of climate change. Also try to make machines, or just plant enough trees, to absorb carbon.

@Baqer, I completely agree with this.

Alternately, doing away with beef production would also halt climate change. It has an amazingly large effect on the environment.

[Baqer]

@Baqer, I completely agree with this.

Alternately, doing away with beef production would also halt climate change. It has an amazingly large effect on the environment.

Well, not really. The greenhouse gases produced from beef and other meat production is part of a more natural cycle which cycles CO2 and methane from the grass and meal that the cows eat into the air, and then back into plants through photosynthesis. Fossil fuels take CO2 stuck in the ground and pump it into the atmosphere, thereby adding a larger total amount to the entire cycle which CO2 goes through.


here's the first graph i found on google explaining it better than I did.

[EUDAEMONIUM]

Fuck this gay earth.