Tell me why you think I’m EIE/SEE

[flames]

I’ve started to learn that my casually but strongly opinionated manner pisses off too many people.

[thegreenfaerie]

I witnessed another EIE makes the E I E I OOOOOO joke the other day

[flames]

I witnessed another EIE makes the E I E I OOOOOO joke the other day

Haha. Great minds think alike.
And I just wanna say all your selfies are gorgeous!

[thegreenfaerie]

Ty lol yeah, further support for EIE. I could see why SEE would be another option as I've mentioned before, but what about quadra wise? I know SEE is considered a bit of an outlier (thanks Arm) for gamma though.

[flames]

Ty lol yeah, further support for EIE. I could see why SEE would be another option as I've mentioned before, but what about quadra wise? I know SEE is considered a bit of an outlier (thanks Arm) for gamma though.

Mhm, I think SEE is almost Quadra less. I strive to be like them and have many SEE friends but there’s something different in comparison. While beta NFs can be plenty vengeful (and I think Ni creative is the most vengeful trait in the universe ), gamma takes it beyond my taste. They are closed off and highly picky, even a large quantity of the SEEs who at first appear to not discriminate socially. I need to be part of a decent sized group filled with laughter and reflection and SEE caters more individually so to speak.

[The Reality Denialist]

gammas are democratic which usually means open communication and SEE's as a rule are exemplar of this while they might do personal stuff behind closed doors. EIE's for example tend to be standoffishly hierarchical and stuff.

[thegreenfaerie]

That makes sense actually Heretic. An EIE once told me someone called him "surprisingly judgy" and being aristocratic, that makes sense. My EIE father can be like this as well

[flames]

gammas are democratic which usually means open communication and SEE's as a rule are exemplar of this while they might do personal stuff behind closed doors. EIE's for example tend to be standoffishly hierarchical and stuff.

It’s true but Fi is judgmental especially coupled with Se. 3s are also normally judgmental, so when there’s an SEE 3, they tend to operate in cliques. 2s are more democratic, so an EIE 2 would be a bit more democratic. Speaking for myself, I have an “us vs. them” complex and reject certain groups or people, even though I’m a warm person and paradoxically not judgmental at the same time lol.

[flames]

That makes sense actually Heretic. An EIE once told me someone called him "surprisingly judgy" and being aristocratic, that makes sense. My EIE father can be like this as well

An SEE covers up their judgments a lot better.

[Number 9 large]

Mhm, I think SEE is almost Quadra less. I strive to be like them and have many SEE friends but there’s something different in comparison. While beta NFs can be plenty vengeful (and I think Ni creative is the most vengeful trait in the universe ), gamma takes it beyond my taste. They are closed off and highly picky, even a large quantity of the SEEs who at first appear to not discriminate socially. I need to be part of a decent sized group filled with laughter and reflection and SEE caters more individually so to speak.

SEE is not quadraless its gamma

[flames]

SEE is not quadraless its gamma

I didn’t say that love, use your brain. <3

[Number 9 large]

I didn’t say that love, use your brain. <3

ok. SEE isnt >>>***ALMOST***<<< quadraless, its gamma. stop making up bullshit. ok? thanks

[flames]

ok. SEE isnt >>>***ALMOST***<<< quadraless, its gamma. stop making up bullshit. ok? thanks

What I really meant: SEE has the least gamma qualities of the gammas and they’re often mixed up with betas. They also tend to get along with most people despite quadra differences.

Your Ne PoLR is showing.

[thegreenfaerie]

Who isn't secretly (or not secretly) judgmental... alphas? lol

You know, I have to be honest though. I just had the thought that I am quite glad I didn't get into this too young. May have messed up my sense of self and personality, led me down fucked up paths... or maybe it could have done the opposite... I guess it depends!

An SEE covers up their judgments a lot better.

[flames]

Who isn't secretly (or not secretly) judgmental... alphas? lol

You know, I have to be honest though. I just had the thought that I am quite glad I didn't get into this too young. May have messed up my sense of self and personality, led me down fucked up paths... or maybe it could have done the opposite... I guess it depends!

Levels of judgement depend but I know many people who really don’t judge anyone for anything. And yes, they’re often alphas lol, or 9s

I think that is true too. Sometimes knowing too much typology at a young age serves as an excuse to never change. But it can also be a motivator to change.

[thegreenfaerie]

I just wonder what happens when someone mistypes themselves and potentially makes life decisions based around their type lol

I did get into mbti and enneagram mildly at a young age, but yeah, didn't dive deeper until later, certainly didn't know about socionics!

[Number 9 large]

What I really meant: SEE has the least gamma qualities of the gammas and they’re often mixed up with betas. They also tend to get along with most people despite quadra differences.

Your Ne PoLR is showing.

ok. WHY does SEE have the least gamma qualities of all the gammas. i agree with ILI SEE being more beta cuz they Se and Ni lead, but to single out SEE like that, u have no reason

[flames]

ok. WHY does SEE have the least gamma qualities of all the gammas. i agree with ILI SEE being more beta cuz they Se and Ni lead, but to single out SEE like that, u have no reason

Well it’s easier to say who is MOST gamma in comparison: ESI. ESI are frugal, cut out people and things they deem unnecessary which is easy for them to do a lot, hold grudges, work hard, hate drama and their only drama is telling people why they suck before cutting them out. SEEs oppose much of this unless they are unhealthy 3s. ILI is somewhere between the two. LIE is more like SEE but they yearn to be like ESIs.

[Number 9 large]

Well it’s easier to say who is MOST gamma in comparison: ESI. ESI are frugal, cut out people and things they deem unnecessary which is easy for them to do a lot, hold grudges, work hard, hate drama and their only drama is telling people why they suck before cutting them out. SEEs oppose much of this unless they are unhealthy 3s. ILI is somewhere between the two. LIE is more like SEE but they yearn to be like ESIs.

ok buddy. i think u shud create a new quadra and put SEE in it

[flames]

ok buddy. i think u shud create a new quadra and put SEE in it

I will put you in your own quadra.

[thegreenfaerie]

[Number 9 large]

I will put you in your own quadra.

ok but which type, since LSI is basically the least beta type i belong basically in both alpha and beta, its impossible to choose

[flames]

-24 hours remain-

[Ave]

All the ENFJS I've known are serious and not hedonistic people. I don't see that type for you.

ESFP makes alot more sense, I think you have a very gamma mentality overall.

[thegreenfaerie]

That's true. My dad is no hedonist and he's EIE, though 2w3. I know someone else who is type 7 and may have some tendencies, though I wouldn't say to the degree of Flames, lol.

[flames]

I think you have a very gamma mentality overall.

Would like to hear more about this part.

[Ave]

Would like to hear more about this part.

You seem like you have the gamma quadra's individualism, which I would describe as doing your own thing and not letting society stop you from doing your own thing. See Strat's complex of the tied hands article. Gammas are likely to see groups as something that benefits them and those they care about, and once the group stops being beneficial to them, there is no need for blind loyalty to anything in gamma. I see you as having this attitude, which I also recognize in myself, which is to do your own thing, so that it brings you what you want (pleasure, happiness, money, achievement, whatever). Betas are likely to see the group (s) they are a part of as something demanding loyalty, even when the group stops brinnging any real benefits (devalued Te).

Of course I could be wrong, as I don't know you that well but that's my impression, plus I thought I'd play along in explaining why I type you as I do before the 24hrs end lol.

[voider]

I don't know if I have a warped perception of SEEs and I'M not one, or if everyone else has a warped perception of SEEs and YOU'RE not one, but I feel like we either aren't the same type, or we are on the two ends of the spectrum if we are the same type. Lol.

[Ave]

I don't know if I have a warped perception of SEEs and I'M not one, or if everyone else has a warped perception of SEEs and YOU'RE not one, but I feel like we either aren't the same type, or we are on the two ends of the spectrum if we are the same type. Lol.

Creative vs Normalizing maybe?

Depends what spectrum you're talking about, I guess.

[voider]

Creative vs Normalizing maybe?

Depends what spectrum you're talking about, I guess.

Possibly, but I just don't see flames as an SEE for some reason. There's a great deal more emotional pressure and flashiness going on that I personally associate with EIE rather than SEE. And while I do realize Se also has Fe and is prone to emotional pressuring to get what they want, in my experience I do that rarely and often even then it's in a joking manner. Flames seems to do it literally all the time. He applies emotion to manipulate reaction, not force to manipulate outcome, like a SEE would. And in some ways these two are very similar, but they are also different.

[Alonzo]

Possibly, but I just don't see flames as an SEE for some reason. There's a great deal more emotional pressure and flashiness going on that I personally associate with EIE rather than SEE. And while I do realize Se also has Fe and is prone to emotional pressuring to get what they want, in my experience I do that rarely and often even then it's in a joking manner. Flames seems to do it literally all the time. He applies emotion to manipulate reaction, not force to manipulate outcome, like a SEE would. And in some ways these two are very similar, but they are also different.

You don't see him as SEE because he's not. PERIODT. lol

[voider]

You don't see him as SEE because he's not. PERIODT. lol

Well, in the spirit of Normalizing SEE and improving the clarity of my thought and expression, I tried to explain why I think so, lol.

[Alonzo]

Well, in the spirit of Normalizing SEE and improving the clarity of my thought and expression, I tried to explain why I think so, lol.

And you did that, rather effectively, I might add.

[flames]

@Uncle Ave I love that you think I’m individualistic. ^__^ But you are mostly wrong lol. I do my own thing and I will announce it loudly and proudly but... a lot of what other people do/think/say influences me even when I don’t want it to, for ex. if I agree with something on Twitter I still won’t retweet it if it doesn’t have enough likes, or I will fake liking something if someone else does. SEEs will follow trends but somehow they are different and don’t operate like this. As far as groups go, I go into a group with the sole purpose of finding a found family who I am extremely loyal to and I want to become the leader in every case - and I have reached that spot multiple times. Although, I haven’t been in any group long enough to TRULY say and have bounced around many different groups because they end up abandoning me.

@voider very constructive (and true!) thoughts, thank you for sharing because it’s what I’ve thought but couldn’t form into words. I use emotions to get everything done to the extent that I’m not even aware of it a lot of the time. It just is who I am. And I have even tried to reject it before because my mom is a Fe base and does the same shit and I wanted to be anything but her. Now I have learned to accept it because even though we use the same tactics, we are not the same person. I look at SEEs and they have a natural force that I crave but lack.

[flames]

You don't see him as SEE because he's not. PERIODT. lol

periodt pooh!!!!

[flames]

Good job everyone, our 24 hours is almost up and we successfully saved the world.

[flames]

I think Megan and DaBaby are both prime examples of Se base. Everything they do comes from this raw force - this unemotional force. You just want to do everything they ask lol. Especially because there’s no feelings involved!

[Alonzo]

I think Megan and DaBaby are both prime examples of Se base. Everything they do comes from this raw force - this unemotional force. You just want to do everything they ask lol. Especially because there’s no feelings involved!

Love em both, especially Meg. And I type them as hardcore SEEs. I'd say that there are, in fact, "feelings involved," it's just that said "feelings" are oftentimes introverted/directed inwards/self-focused/hiding in plain sight > "still waters run deep"; Fi is there in the background, driving Se volitional will/action. I'd also wager that they are both 7w8s, which gives them a harder edge because of the tendency to diminish their Fi heart, in trying to avoid being stifled by negative/unpleasant experiences. It's very easy to superficially mistype this brand of SEE as SLE--but if you follow them on social media or watch their interviews, it becomes more apparent that they often act based on deeply held values and beliefs. DaBaby has gone viral several times for his often understated compassion and generosity.

[flames]

Love em both, especially Meg. And I type them as hardcore SEEs. I'd say that there are, in fact, "feelings involved," it's just that said "feelings" are oftentimes introverted/directed inwards/self-focused/hiding in plain sight > "still waters run deep"; Fi is there in the background, driving Se volitional will/action. I'd also wager that they are both 7w8s, which gives them a harder edge because of the tendency to diminish their Fi heart, in trying to avoid being stifled by negative/unpleasant experiences. It's very easy to superficially mistype this brand of SEE as SLE--but if you follow them on social media or watch their interviews, it becomes more apparent that they often act based on deeply held values and beliefs. DaBaby has gone viral several times for his often understated compassion and generosity.

Yes, I know what you mean. That’s funny you mention that because I typed him as SLE at first, myself. He is decidedly unproblematic for a male rapper (which is refreshing), so looking back at it, SEE fits well. And for Megan, well the Te valuing is obvious. I find people who “hold back” feelings or have hidden feelings quite attractive (and, they’re both hot which also helps ). That’s probably why I’ve dated so many ESIs - if someone around me is quiet and hard to read I have a strong desire to pull them out of their shells, and I’m really good at it. I want to be a therapist for a reason... but it’s all swell until it leads to arguments. I think the problem is that once I break through an ESI’s shell, I find them too emotional and they start to resent that I’m social. LSI does not normally have this issue unless they’re particularly damaged goods.

[flames]

^ forgot to mention, another point to EIE is that I wasn’t able to detect any sort of emotionality in them lol

Fe needs Fe, derp