which type do you dislike the most?

[Still Alive]

Yeah... I think OneCoin scam was designed by one SLE who had SEE mass marketeer. SEE made millions but since he can claim with straight face of not knowing about the scam he is free and a millionaire while SLE enjoys her life long exile with her millions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneCoin

SEE

[Cataclysm]

People with shitty Te who are overly convinced of their own correctness then get sad or angry when you defy their sacred knowledge.

[Number 9 large]

I find the ESE hate amusing. lol Sometimes they have a poor sense of timing and seem oblivious to me brushing them off politely so I have to be direct about it. Nothing too bad on my end. I once noticed a lot of forum members typing a parent ESE so I wonder if that influences perception. Having kids turn people ESE? My LSI mom didn't have any of the ESE vibes and my ESE sister is younger so I had seniority over her anyway.

They don't really bother me much, probably because my sister is one. I am sure I frustrate them to a certain degree.

My mom really is ESE tho. But yea a lotta ppl mistype their parents si ego cuz MuH CaReGuVR

[YXPR]

LIE

[PussyInASarcophagus]

EIIs. They're usually useless, butt of all pranks, overly sensitive and don't know when to stop when they fulfill their Se for once in their diaper stricken lifetimes.

[PussyInASarcophagus]

No type. Some individuals...but often that’s due to misunderstandings and other external factors which are purely related to the individual’s personal circumstances

I don’t like how mistrustful SLE get and doubtful and incapable of waxing and waning their own suspension. But that’s a process that grates on my nerves

[thegreenfaerie]

Which type has 0 patience for other people at a new job, doesn’t understand that other people work differently and is generally an aggressive bitch who wears fake niceness (probably because she was addressed about it before), but you can see right through it?

[PussyInASarcophagus]

Which type has 0 patience for other people at a new job, doesn’t understand that other people work differently and is generally an aggressive bitch who wears fake niceness (probably because she was addressed about it before), but you can see right through it?

Anyone with a slightly degree of competence

[Alonzo]

Which type has 0 patience for other people at a new job, doesn’t understand that other people work differently and is generally an aggressive bitch who wears fake niceness (probably because she was addressed about it before), but you can see right through it?

lol LSE with role Fe would be a safe bet.

[thegreenfaerie]

Interesting. If she’s in my quadra shouldn’t I like her better.

[WinnieW]

Which type has 0 patience for other people at a new job, doesn’t understand that other people work differently and is generally an aggressive bitch who wears fake niceness...

To the point decription of a boss of a company I worked for about 2 years 20 years ago.

Ni PoLR and Se demonstrative, I guess.

[voider]

Interesting. If she’s in my quadra shouldn’t I like her better.

how much you like someone depends on what kind of person they are much more than quadra

[Alonzo]

Interesting. If she’s in my quadra shouldn’t I like her better.

Quadra values only dictate cognitive compatibility, as in the ease/comfort by which information and energy are exchanged; this could create a semblance of "like" in that interactions might "flow" better. But at the same time, there are a multitude of non type related factors that could cause you to dislike someone. Sol is in your quadra, for example. lol

[thegreenfaerie]

Ah yes Se demonstrative lol. Makes sense. I already determined 4D Se likely. Lmao, good point at Sol

[thegreenfaerie]

For sure Voider, but figuring this all out still/playing around with it

[thegreenfaerie]

lol for basic, mindless work, sure. This is a temporary job, that’s all I will say.

Anyone with a slightly degree of competence

[Alonzo]

Ah yes Se demonstrative lol. Makes sense. I already determined 4D Se likely. Lmao, good point at Sol

And this is a stereotype, and so it obviously shouldn't be taken as a general rule, but the cognitive makeup of a LSE is what usually draws them towards (middle) management positions. As far as archetypes go, EXTjs tend to be the "bosses" that everyone loves to hate (understandably so). lol

[WinnieW]

Ah yes Se demonstrative lol. Makes sense. I already determined 4D Se likely. Lmao, good point at Sol

Strong but unvalued use of Se may look uncontrolled and chaotic to people who have Se as conscious function. I guess it's the reason I get along with people that have Se as a conscious function, because most of them use it in a proper and skillfil way.

[thegreenfaerie]

Maybe she’s an ESE

[thegreenfaerie]

I was wondering something along these lines actually. Thanks for confirming.

Strong but unvalued use of Se may look uncontrolled and chaotic to people who have Se as conscious function. I guess it's the reason I get along with people that have Se as a conscious function, because most of them use it in a proper and skillfil way.

[Number 9 large]

its dat 1d Ti

[Beautiful sky]

its dat 1d Ti

I don’t hate SLE you idiot. I don’t like an aspect of their personality or can you not understand the difference with your pathetic 1D Ti?

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Your mom's XSFJ and your dad's XSTJ so...

[PussyInASarcophagus]

I don’t hate SLE you idiot. I don’t like an aspect of their personality or can you not understand the difference with your pathetic 1D Ti?

Pretty sure n9 is 3D Ti. Looooool

[flames]

That’s not very humanistic of you, Maritsa dear!

Anyways, hate me for hating them all you want but I’m throwing another vote in for ESE. And unlike many people on this site, I actually have experience with them because I step outside of my door frequently. I feel like they’re vapid, fake, and invasive. Not all of them of course. They can also be funny and helpful.

[kingslayer]

Overall I disagree with the notion that just because of socionics type, everyone with that type should be disliked, but if I'm playing along then SEE's followed by ILI.


Gamma irrationals

[WinnieW]

I was wondering something along these lines actually. Thanks for confirming.

Yeah, you're welcome.
I have another idea in my mind. Ni PoLR + Se demonstrative reminded me of the behaviour of a less than ideal adjusted PID controller.
It fits the description of misadjusted D value as it's described as "anticipatory control". Means the reaction of a deviation of an expected value is overblown (or understated).

[Number 9 large]

I don’t hate SLE you idiot. I don’t like an aspect of their personality or can you not understand the difference with your pathetic 1D Ti?

triggered

[jason_m]

I don't like anyone who is just nasty. I don't mean a cad or a clown - that I can love. I mean someone who is just cruel. People can call me Delta NF for it - and I therefore go with business logic - but are people in business always nice? I have seen some business people who are nasty on a constant basis. Not everyone in business is nasty, but if I want someone nice, who are we talking about then? People in sales?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I try not to dislike or hate anybody- even people who really, really deserve it because tbh that is how many bullies/assholes/Teh Evil Ones™️ operate. They thrive on upsetting you and getting you to dislike them you so much you hate and fight with them. And people tend to make poor strategic decisions when they do things based on emotions. I'm of course sensitive being a NF type, but I'm also wary about being triggered about stuff the world says 'I should be' triggered over.

I can't say I hate a type. It's too generic or something? To me its like saying you hate Fire type pokemon or something. Which you say 'well that makes sense because you are Ice type' but human beings really aren't like this. It's more complicated.

I guess I hate people that try to limit my freedom for personal vendattas or self-righteous reasons, but they won't really tell me exactly why they are so upset with me because it would hurt their Te career so much. It's obviously personal (but they are hiding behind professionalism- part of my Te polr perhaps but I dislike people not being STRAIGHT with me as it were), but they are hiding it because they know if they told me they'd think I'd get the upper hand more than they already think I do or something. It's like trying to get me involved in some fight or battle I don't want to participate in due to their own weird issues. I don't like people who obviously just want power and try to use me as a scapegoat or pawn to do it.

I feel like I already naturally am powerful, so I don't need to always go out looking for it. I clash with the opposite type of people. People who think power is about controlling & subjugating others because they can't really find peace within themselves. However this dynamic isn't that type related to me.

[flames]

I try not to dislike or hate anybody- even people who really, really deserve it because tbh that is how many bullies/assholes/Teh Evil Ones™️ operate. They thrive on upsetting you and getting you to dislike them you so much you hate and fight with them. And people tend to make poor strategic decisions when they do things based on emotions. I'm of course sensitive being a NF type, but I'm also wary about being triggered about stuff the world says 'I should be' triggered over.

I can't say I hate a type. It's too generic or something? To me its like saying you hate Fire type pokemon or something. Which you say 'well that makes sense because you are Ice type' but human beings really aren't like this. It's more complicated.

I guess I hate people that try to limit my freedom for personal vendattas or self-righteous reasons, but they won't really tell me exactly why they are so upset with me because it would hurt their Te career so much. It's obviously personal (but they are hiding behind professionalism- part of my Te polr perhaps but I dislike people not being STRAIGHT with me as it were), but they are hiding it because they know if they told me they'd think I'd get the upper hand more than they already think I do or something. It's like trying to get me involved in some fight or battle I don't want to participate in due to their own weird issues. I don't like people who obviously just want power and try to use me as a scapegoat or pawn to do it.

I feel like I already naturally am powerful, so I don't need to always go out looking for it. I clash with the opposite type of people. People who think power is about controlling & subjugating others because they can't really find peace within themselves. However this dynamic isn't that type related to me.

This is the most IEI shit I’ve ever read.

[lkdhf qkb]

lol why don’t IEIs just say they hate someone

Because they hate themselves for hating. Constant fight of good and bad in themselves

[Tallmo]

I have the worst compatibility with my conflictor. Both according to my experience and according to theory. But I don't necessarily dislike them, but interaction can be very tense. Objectively though LIEs can be very reasonable, and they are usually smart, which I like.

For me LIEs should be observed and even sometimes admired from a distance.

What I particularly dislike is that whenever I meet a LIE it is usually in a work setting, which gives them the upper hand (for obvious reasons). It's not even a proper conflictor dynamics setting. If I meet them just in a casual setting then it is more like real conflict dynamics, because then I can be more myself (and harass them by simply being myself, just as they harass me), but it happens rarely.

[Protozoa]

Narcissists and sociopaths of any type. They toy with people and humiliate them for their own ego, gain, and pleasure.

Strangely, I've known some psychopaths, but they didn't really bother me; they were just a bit amoral, like they lacked the ability to be good or bad, or feel bad for someone. They were just very rational. People being emotional didn't make sense to them. But I kind of like that. They can analyze a situation removed from emotions and a sense of right and wrong. Is that socionics related?

[The Reality Denialist]

They can analyze a situation removed from emotions and a sense of right and wrong. Is that socionics related?

As having combinations of those two? Probably not type related. T base comes to closest.

[Protozoa]

Yeah, combination. I think you might be right.

[WinnieW]

They can analyze a situation removed from emotions and a sense of right and wrong. Is that socionics related?

Removed from emotions sounds much like a logical type; but I'd describe it as weak awareness of or lack of focus on emotions.
The sense of right and wrong is most likely not type related, but the way someone use ethical judgement is. The ethical values from upbringing and personal life experiences are important factors as well.

Narcissists and sociopaths of any type.

There is a difference between narcissists and sociopaths.
Narcissists lacks empathy for other people – because they're so focused on themselves,
while sociopaths lacks empathy in general.

[Protozoa]

Removed from emotions sounds much like a logical type; but I'd describe it as weak awareness of or lack of focus on emotions.
The sense of right and wrong is most likely not type related, but the way someone use ethical judgement is. The ethical values from upbringing and personal life experiences are important factors as well.

Well I'm sure psychopaths aren't the norm and socionics doesn't seem to model human deviances very well anyway. I'd guess the farther from the bell curve, the less relevant socionics becomes. So I totally get what you're saying, but I was just wondering anyway.

There is a difference between narcissists and sociopaths.
Narcissists lacks empathy for other people – because they're so focused on themselves,
while sociopaths lacks empathy in general.

Same difference to me though.

[WinnieW]

Well I'm sure psychopaths aren't the norm and socionics doesn't seem to model human deviances very well anyway.

True, true psychopaths are rare. There is a further distanction.

True psychopaths: (biological) empathy-blindness
Antisocial disorder: suppressed or ignored empathy

[The Reality Denialist]

Regarding narcissism (who is also a murderer) caught on tape clearly ethical type (EIE?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGHhg-gj7PM