a 9's analysis for the 3's success
a 9's analysis for the 3's success
@silke, why is the narrator a nine?
he has mentioned in previous videos that he is too appeasing, and that he tends to positively reframe events which is a deal with the positive outlook types (7-9-2)Originally Posted by Adam Strange
he's also SEI-Fe btw
9w1 (Si/Ne?)
9w1 (Se/Ni sp/so?)
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Excerpt from:ENNEATYPE IX: INDOLENCE
Indolence or psychological laziness is also spiritual
inertia, and EIX entails not only a not wanting to know,
an “ostrich policy,” but also overstability, a resistance to
change. This is, in general, a person who is overadapted
to the desires of others, overly complacent, and with
scant initiative. His or her inner state resembles going
around half asleep, half dead to life. This is a dispassion-
ate, phlegmatic character, though the switching off of
his or her personal desires frequently coincides with a
jovial, gregarious disposition. In human relations, how-
ever, this is an overly self-sacrificing person, overly
resigned, passive, conformist; generally a simple person,
“without problems”—apart from his or her excessive
intolerance of troubles and excessive difficulty when it
comes to saying “no,” which often makes these people a
target for exploitation.
It would appear that there is less to say about EIX than
the other characters in view of the great simplification of
their psychological life. Their tendency to forget their own
needs due to excessive complacence apparently coincides
with the Christian ideal, and not bothering anyone does
not have a clear place in the current diagnostic categories
of aberrant personalities. One of the defense mechanisms
that characterizes this type (which Freud called “altruistic
self-postponement”) has even been considered less patho-
logical than others in virtue of its social function. But the
advantage of EIX (just like the disadvantage of Enneatypes
IV and V, at the other pole of the Enneagram) is more
apparent than real, since these people’s automatic, com-
pulsive altruism does not make them ethically better than
others. Actually, it might be said that destructiveness is
less visible in this character.
In his description of the “dim man,” Theophrastus
calls our attention to a cognitive laziness that is charac-
teristic of Enneatype IX, with intellectual, as well as spiri-
tual, befuddlement: “Dimness might be defined as a
slowness of the mind with respect to words and actions.”
Some of the examples that he includes in his descrip-
tion refer to absent-mindedness; others reflect not only
the lack of attention, but also the lack of intellectual
interest. “If he goes to the theater, he falls asleep and
when the play is over, everyone leaves and he remains
alone in the theater.” This behavior of the “dim man” in
particular may also be interpreted as a lack of cultural
sophistication, which is the consequence of intellectual
laziness and concreteness that leads to another character
that Theophrastus calls “rusticity.”
Though he defines “rusticity” as ignorance, lacking
in manners, his portrait suggests something very close to
a closed mentality. He emphasizes the narrowness of
interests, an excess of concreteness, and the limiting of
life in favor of functionality. He also alludes implicitly
not just to a simple lack of refinement, but to despiritu-
alization:
He wears shoes that are bigger than his feet and speaks
in a loud, booming voice. He distrusts friends and rela-
tives and entrusts his most important secrets to his ser-
vants ... He neither stops nor makes inquiries in the
street for any other reason; but, however, he stands and
stares when he sees an ox, an ass, or a billy goat.
Among the Italian masks, Enneatype IX is to be rec-
ognized in that of Gianduia. Carla Poesio explains in her
book as follows:
Nowadays there exists a kind of chocolate bar called
gianduiotto in honor of Gianduia, an old mask from
Piamonte, and they are called so after the Giandujott,
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the children of Gianduia. It is difficult to find a boy
who is gayer, healthier, more pleased with his lot.
Maybe because they are peasants. His mother
Giacometta and his father Gianduia have given rise to
a very large family. It is difficult to know how many
Giandujott there are.
He likes to visit the different inns of the city and his
humor and gaiety entertains those present. He is not
handsome but is pleasant. Plump and tanned, with a
slightly naïve expression, it is always easy to make fun
of him.
The Enneagram of Society: Healing the Soul to Heal the World
by Claudio Naranjo
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I liked the post because I think on the surface The Tao Te Ching loosely fits the idea of a 9w1, without any serious pathology, when associating it to a personalty. It may seem like a spiritually lazy or inert philosophy. It could probably loosely fit the healthy versions of a couple other E types as well depending on the book translation and your understanding of what it is trying to convey.
^From the Naranjo book I am currently reading which sparked me to respond to your post.This is a dispassion-
ate, phlegmatic character, though the switching off of
his or her personal desires frequently coincides with a
jovial, gregarious disposition. In human relations, how-
ever, this is an overly self-sacrificing person, overly
resigned, passive, conformist; generally a simple person,
“without problems”—apart from his or her excessive
intolerance of troubles and excessive difficulty when it
comes to saying “no,” which often makes these people a
target for exploitation.
It would appear that there is less to say about EIX than
the other characters in view of the great simplification of
their psychological life. Their tendency to forget their own
needs due to excessive complacence apparently coincides
with the Christian ideal, and not bothering anyone does
not have a clear place in the current diagnostic categories
of aberrant personalities. One of the defense mechanisms
that characterizes this type (which Freud called “altruistic
self-postponement”) has even been considered less patho-
logical than others in virtue of its social function. But the
advantage of EIX (just like the disadvantage of Enneatypes
IV and V, at the other pole of the Enneagram) is more
apparent than real, since these people’s automatic, com-
pulsive altruism does not make them ethically better than
others. Actually, it might be said that destructiveness is
less visible in this character.
In practice it is not easy to follow the teachings of "the way" or enneagram. It is not an intellectually lazy path that is deadened to the world for the "master". Reading the words too literal would make it appear to be a simple system for simple people. I understand why you posted it though and I agree.
My sister is a 9 and she leans toward following the Tao Te Ching and Christianity in a simplistic, almost childlike way without really questioning too much and ignoring whole aspects of it. She says go with the flow... she still struggles. Those who know her best know the surface demeanor and seemingly balanced presence hides some real dark tendencies that come out in her art instead of her words. I see this in a lot of religions since some of the followers could be likened to 9s as a personality type when it comes to their spiritual beliefs. She was that way as a christian too which she still somewhat considers herself. She believes that Jesus or god will answer her prayers. It is all very passive.
The movement along the arrow lines of the Enneagram indicates specific steps in a cycle of transformation. This flow of the cycle of transformation, symbolized by the lines of the “hexad” piece of the symbol, charts a process of change that can be likened to the organic unfolding of natural processes as expressed in the idea of “The Way” or the Tao as described in the Tao Te Ching, the main text of Taoism. Personality, then, as represented by the Enneagram, can be seen as a form of getting stuck or “fixated” at one point along this natural path of change—a defensive mechanism through which we protect ourselves, but also resist the natural flow or rhythm of life.
The Significance of Nine
Nine represents the boundary between the mundane and the
transcendental infinite.
—Michael S. Schneider, A Beginner’s Guide to Constructing the
Universe: The Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art, and Science
The Enneagram’s circle of nine points can be seen as a boundary between the finite or the mundane nature of human life (as experienced by the Personality) and the infinite that lies beyond human consciousness—the larger reality of the universe that is beyond human comprehension when we are fixated in the Personality’s limited viewpoint. Nine is the final number in the base-10 system that has a specific identity. As such, it symbolizes the highest achievement in a specific endeavor: the utmost boundary.
The ancient Greeks called nine “the horizon.” For them it also represented that which encloses or binds the essential elements of any event into a whole. A. G. E. Blake explains that in the Enneagram diagram, “the apex point 9 is unique” because “it represents the beginning and end of the cycle…that which gives the form of the whole. It is the source of the purpose that has to be realized.”20
We can find many correlations between the Enneagram’s nine types and certain elements of ancient wisdom that are found in different forms of classic texts.
According to the Kabbalah, for example, the essence of the unknowable divine is portrayed in a diagram called the “Tree of Life.” This Tree has ten Sefirot, or numbers that represent divine principles, nine of which correspond directly to the nine Enneagram archetypes. (The tenth, Keter, is placed above the Enneagram diagram, as it reflects the Messiah’s soul and so doesn’t relate to the human Personality.)21
The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Knowledge
By Beatrice Chestnut
The Tao Te Ching [simplified Chinese: 道德经; traditional Chinese: 道德經; pinyin: Dàodéjīng], also referred to as the Lao Tzu [Chinese: 老子; pinyin: Lǎozǐ] is an ancient Chinese text consisting of spiritual teachings, folk wisdom, political instruction, cosmology, observations of nature, anti-Confucian doctrine, and mystical insights. Just as the Chinese language has experienced numerous transformations, the Tao Te Ching has changed and evolved over time. The present form of the Tao Te Ching is an amalgam of the combined wisdom and insight of many Chinese sages, which took form between the seventh and second centuries B.C.E.[1]
Next to the Bible and Bhagavad Gita, the Tao Te Ching is the most translated book in the world. Well over a hundred different renditions of the Taoist classic have been made into English alone, not to mention the dozens in German, French, Italian, Dutch, Latin, and other European languages. There are several reasons for the superabundance of translations. The first is that the Tao Te Ching is considered to be the fundamental text of both philosophical Taoism [taojia] and religious Taoism [taojiao].... As such, the Tao Te Ching shares crucial points of similarity with other major religious scriptures the world over.
The second reason for the popularity of the Tao Te Ching is its brevity. There are few bona fide classics that are so short, yet so packed with food for thought. One can read and reread the Tao Te Ching scores of times without exhausting the insights it offers.
The third aspect that accounts for the wide repute of the Tao Te Ching is its deceptive simplicity: In the words of the author himself, it is supposedly "very easy to understand," when actually it is quite difficult to comprehend fully. Paradox is the essence of the Tao Te Ching, so much so that even scholars with a solid grounding in classical Chinese cannot be sure they have grasped what the Old Master is really saying in his pithy maxims....[2]https://theosophy.wiki/en/Tao_Te_Ching_(book)While not as well known as Taoist traditions that developed later, the Taoist Meditation Tradition of Lao Tzu (also known as the "Water Tradition") began a millenium before the Tao Te Ching was written and is a living tradition that continues until the present day. There are allusions to and/or metaphors for water practices throughout the Tao Te Ching, for example:
The supreme excellence is to be like water.
Water's excellence benefits the ten thousand things, yet it does not struggle.
It settles in the place that many people reject.
Therefore it is close to the Tao. [Chapter 8][7]Nothing in this world
is as soft and yielding as water.
Yet for dissolving the hard and inflexible,
nothing can surpass it.The soft overcomes the hard;There are two main methods of Chinese Taoist meditation: the fire and water approaches. The fire method emphasizes force and pushing forward. It has the characteristics of flame, ever leaping forward to consume more fuel. The water method, on the other hand, believes in effort without force, in relaxation, in letting go. It displays the characteristics of water: softness and flow.
the gentle overcomes the rigid.
Everyone knows this is true,
but few can put it into practice. [Chapter 78][8]
The original water school of Taoism came into flower during Lao Tse's time, around twenty-five hundred years ago. Unlike the Neo-Taoist fire tradition, the original water school Taoists had no great drive toward physical immortality, a major focus of Neo-Taoism. [Neo-Taoism is a major branch of Taoism that came into being in third-century China. It combines Taoist metaphysics with Confucian social and political philosophy.] While the water method is known for not forcing things, for literally letting things occur in their own time, it is far from passive. Adherents of the water method prepare in every possible way so that when circumstances are ripe for successful completion of their practice, they are fully open and available to the moment.
The Taoist water meditation tradition, deeply rooted in the I Ching, had a thousand-year history behind it before Lao Tse appeared. Lao Tse did not originate the water method tradition or its basic principles by any means, but he was the first one to record them in writing. He wrote the Tao Te Ching on his journey out of the country, trying to get away from worldly life. One of his students, a border guard, refused Lao Tse passage, demanding that he leave behind some principles in writing before he left the country and went into seclusion.
The water method is a practical way to release blockages in the whole mind/body so one can fully transform and ultimately experience conscious harmony with the Tao, right down to one's bone marrow. Then one naturally acts according to the principles of the Tao Te Ching. [Many of the phrases of the Tao Te Ching are what might be called philosophical sound-bites: one-line explanations that are simplified versions of complete and complicated practices in Taoism....]
Just wanted to comment on it since I feel a draw to it (among other philosophies on life) but do not find it an easy path in practice. It is like an ideal I am drawn to, in essence, that requires too much sacrifice living in the modern world. I have found enneagram easier to work with even though it appears more complicated in many ways.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Alyona Mumladze
mb SEI
Russell Rowe has a good pdf on 9, where he covers 9w8 vs 9w1, the instinctual stackings, the healthy and unhealthy connections to 3 and 6... everything, really.
Yun Geo - 9w1 Fi-ego type
I think she is an ENFJ or INFJ in MBTI, but I think her enneagram was a 4w5 and a 469 archetype.
4w5-6w5-9w1 and maybe LIE-Ni in socionics
J COLE(although he could be e1)
girl - mb E9
the look so reminds one ESI E9
9w1 so/sx (EII-Fi?)
Tibees
https://youtu.be/LIpDihSWPF0
Eugenia Cooney
I find E9 as so sexually attractive and charming. their mysterious and languishing sight hypnothises me. arises the wish to join minds with them
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Abrn8aVQ76Q
I wrote her off for the tenth time today
And practiced all the things I would say
But she came over, I lost my nerve
I took her back and made her dessert
Now I know I'm being used
That's okay, man, 'cause I like the abuse
I know she's playing with me
That's okay 'cause I got no self-esteem
We make plans to go out at night
I wait 'til 2 then I turn out the light
This rejection's got me so low
If she keeps it up I just might tell her so
When she's saying that she wants only me
Then I wonder why she sleeps with my friends
When she's saying that I'm like a disease
Then I wonder how much more I can spend
Well, I guess I should stick up for myself
But I really think it's better this way
The more you suffer
The more it shows you really care
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah
Now I'll relate this little bit
That happens more than I'd like to admit
Late at night she knocks on my door
She's drunk again and looking to score
Now I know I should say "No"
But it's kind of hard when she's ready to go
I may be dumb but I'm not a dweeb
I'm just a sucker with no self-esteem
When she's saying that she wants only me
Then I wonder why she sleeps with my friends
When she's saying that I'm like a disease
Then I wonder how much more I can spend
Well, I guess I should stick up for myself
But I really think it's better this way
The more you suffer
The more it shows you really care
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah
Been there. Not going back.
@Number 9 large
give her a cookie
it's called a dependency relations when you suffer and keep without changes
in such cases be honest and if she'll go away - do not regret, just not yours
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lol
972, sp/sx perhaps?
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“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
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“To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour.”
― William Blake
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this is such an e9 game ... at first I was like who's going to run these repetitive patterns but the game is really Zen
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....android&hl=en
I was having keys duplicated in a hardware store and the female behind the counter had a very weird look to her. She was tall and thin with dark hair and I thought she was attractive in some introverted way. She was in her twenties and she had a very odd way of walking, like she was wearing her pajamas and flat slippers in her bedroom instead of wearing bib overalls in a store. She walked in a very compact way, almost gliding without any lost motion, and was very smooth and graceful. It was almost as if her range of motion was restricted by an invisible fuzzy animal costume, or she was magnetically attracted to herself, but in a smooth way, not a locked way.
As I followed her to the key rack, I had this weird feeling like I should sexually overwhelm her just to wake her the hell up. This is not my normal reaction to salespeople, incidentally, which is why it struck me so.
She drifted in and out of a British accent.
I would say she was an EII because her face looked EII, except that some of the things she said to me could be interpreted as being frankly sexually aggressive. Maybe she was an ESI e9?
On the other hand, maybe I've been without a GF for too long and have an overactive imagination.
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seems ESE. can be unusual match. thinks herself as introverted (IEI), what mb because E9 traits
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from one E9 profile:
- what are you doing in free time?
- stay in a prostration [original term in Russian was: "туплю"]
It's about a state of meditative silence of a mind.
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