@Sol
We agree on the part that the only thing that CAN be measured is the external part of Jung types, right? By IR, questions, VI etc. We can only see the result of the cognition, not the source of it. That can only (possibly) be seen by the typed.
>Having good typing skills mb checked good correlation of VI with a behavior and your IR effects with the types gotten by VI before.
Yes, but it is only a correlation. There is always a chance of some sort of mismatch, maybe caused by non-Socionics factors.
>Before you'll positively check own type by IR it's early for you to be assured in own typing skills. Study to type people near you IRL and only then type famouses as it's significantly harder.
I am pretty positive about SLI atm, also thanks to you. I did primarily reach this conclusion through observation of own mental perception, though, and secondarily through IR with people around me. Girl in video interested me more than ''your'' IEE types.
>Note: You got SLI by VI and then got not bad fiting of your IR test results to SLI. That IR test is created mostly by VI too. And when you did the test you used VI. So "bad" VI was concretely for you.
I never said VI was ''bad''. I'm saying that it studies phenotypical results, just like questionnaire, tests etc. The ''genotypical'' is only available to the one percieving.
Te-LSE husband, Fi-EII wife?
> Te-LSE husband
not LSE
Pauline Kael: LSE
Bobbie Long - ENFP
Jacynthe Villemaire - INFJ
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my best guess would be SLI
Anna Yefremova - ESTJ
The Sim Supply - F
IEE
i post old video cos she looks kind of emotionless now with all that surgery. she probably had already done her eyebrow lift there though
Alina Orlova - INFJ
Charles Curran's wife - EII
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:L..._Institute.jpg
You are right. Stereotypes are limiting and unfair.
Here is another EII: https://www.refuse2obey.com/shop/l7q...h2eu7psnh7btnj
Note how her eyes are closely watching for moral violations.
Last edited by Adam Strange; 07-28-2019 at 05:45 PM.
Sadly, @Sol, you are correct. Stereotypes and prejudices are the way I organize my world. I hear a mosquito buzz and I just assume it's after my blood. I hold a ball out and let it go and I assume it will fall to earth.
In my defense, I'd like to believe that I am open to my stereotypes being wrong on occasion. Sometimes, the mosquitoes are male, and sometimes astronauts let go of something and it doesn't hit the ground. Still,.......
I never said that all EII's are female. In fact, I work with a male EII. He is a very nice guy and a good engineer. He can be quite funny.
In fact, I worked with a male EII engineer about five years ago, too. He was an electrical engineer and he left to go build supercomputers for Cray Computers. Not your stereotypical EII at all, if there is one.
They both are very moral people, though. Maybe that's the stereotype.
@Marep
The very notion of language is that it is based on stereotypes/conceptuality/abstraction - verbally, it is impossible to avoid.
Bailey Parnell - mb SLI
Marina Novikova - mb EII
Fi, other possible: IEE, ESI
EII
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Bryan Cranston - SLI?
Alan Milne - EII
Kira Shevchuk - mb EII
Bryan Cranston - not SLI, other T
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Emma Kirkby - IEE?
Hey guys, since january this year I have been working on a gallery of types for my german socionics website. I wanted to ask the delta members of this thread if they could look through the examples in the gallery and inform me about any typing they would heavily disagree with. any help is appreciated.
http://soziotypen.de/die-16-soziotyp...iee-beispiele/
http://soziotypen.de/die-16-soziotyp...sli-beispiele/
http://soziotypen.de/die-16-soziotyp...lse-beispiele/
http://soziotypen.de/die-16-soziotyp...eii-beispiele/
When you are ready post here and I will add your gallery.
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ping-Galleries
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Supposedly Huxley doesn't refer to Aldous Huxley but Thomas Henry Huxley.
I also suggest typing ppl not based in physical features (such as face or nose shape, etc), but to look for different observable qualities, such as intonation, posture, facial expression also put attention to what ppl say to see if they actually manifest elements of supposed type or not. I said this because most of the examples for SLI seem to resemble facial structure and shape.
Last edited by Mila; 08-19-2019 at 07:31 PM.
This is still a common mistake in socionics?
I have read a lot of Aldous' work. He was not IEE yet he gets added to some lists by default due to people thinking he is the Huxley of socionics. Not Ni ignoring in the least. Ni lead. Probably ILI-Ni 5w4. I would say he was more of an introverted loner.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley
Aldous Leonard Huxley was an English writer and one of the most prominent members of the famous Huxley family. He spent the latter part of his life in the United States, living in Los Angeles from 1937 until his death in 1963. Best known for his novels and wide-ranging output of essays, he also published short stories, poetry, travel writing, and film stories and scripts. Through his novels and essays Huxley functioned as an examiner and sometimes critic of social mores, norms and ideals. Huxley was a humanist but was also interested towards the end of his life in spiritual subjects such as parapsychology and philosophical mysticism. By the end of his life, Huxley was widely acknowledged as one of the pre-eminent intellectuals of his time.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
interesting. huxley was the one I was sceptical about, that's why I'm posting my lists here. thanks for the comment. I will look into him again. I don't use V.I. at all in my typings, but obviously I noticed that some people look very similar. the SLI examples are mostly german politicians. I've spend quite a lot of time watching interviews with them. I'm very sure of their type. germany is a country that is run by delta ST types. what are the IEE typings that you disagree with? @Ragdoll Cat
Last edited by Still Alive; 08-19-2019 at 11:41 PM.
@soundofconfusion
"EII"
Björk Guðmundsdóttir - SEI
Ingmar Bergman - EIE
Werner Herzog - I*TP
Carl Rogers - mb
Emily Dickinson - doubtful
Hayao Miyazaki - mb LSI
Isao Takahata - I*FP
Haruki Murakami - P
Virginia Woolf - mb
Leonard Cohen - no
Jeff Buckley - IEI
Nick Drake - no. more T
Stephin Merritt - no
Win Butler - no
nice try
make bloggers list. you may type them by impressions from nonverbal
historical people without videos are doubtful to type at all
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Thomas Henry Huxley - mb EIE
Aldous Huxley - mb ENT*