German Typings Thread / Deutsche Soziotypen

[Chae]

Kai Pflaume - Ethical base. Social/sexual 2w1.

[WinnieW]

I say SEI-Fe for Kai Pflaume... with ESE-Si as second option.

[Chae]

I say SEI-Fe for Kai Pflaume... with ESE-Si as second option.

subtype for SEI would work yes!

[Olimpia]

[Chae]

Does anybody have an idea for Joseph Ratzinger?

[WinnieW]

Yes... SLI for J. Ratzinger.

[at sirac son of sirac]

I'm inclined to say LSI, his eyes are very un-delta.

[Chae]

Yes... SLI for J. Ratzinger.

Oh that's quite something. Another PoLR pope there if it's correct

[WinnieW]

Another PoLR pope there if it's correct

Another PoLR Pope? Who is the other one you think of?
Pope Benedict XVI Francis values , most likely -ego

[Chae]

Another PoLR Pope? Who is the other one you think of?
Pope Benedict XVI values , most likely -ego

I thought of Francis, saw an ILI typing for him somewhere.

[WinnieW]

Sorry Chae. I confused the names of the popes. I'm not really into that clerical stuff...
Pope Francis does really care about other people. ILI seems way off for him.
He is either alpha SF or beta NF, I can't tell right now.

[Chae]

Sorry Chae. I confused the names of the popes. I'm not really into that clerical stuff...

Oi oi, but you could answer the question super quick so its all good, now I got it /fluffs you up/ Confidence.

[WinnieW]

Fictional ILE in a German TV series.





Alex "Einstein" Winterberg – ILE E-7 sx/so ; -PoLR is evident.

[Chae]

Anne Will - Social ST type?

[WinnieW]

Anne Will - Social ST type?

Based on interviews I've seen with her I'd type her as beta NF. She does use more in a non-live-TV environment and express more emotions.
In TV-talkshows she behaves more like a ST-type, though. Yeah, she behave quite formal in such situations.

[Chae]

Based on interviews I've seen with her I type her as beta NF. In TV-talkshows she behaves more like a ST-type, though.

Ohhh interesting, change of image? Maybe she's E8 or E1.

[WinnieW]

Honestly, I can't see Anne Will as E-8 type. E-1 for her might be, though.

[Chae]

Honestly, I can't see Anne Will as E-8 type. E-1 for her might be, though.

With a 5w6 or 6w5 fix I'm guessing!

[WinnieW]

See and deceide for yourself, Chae.



She can't be a ST type if she behaves geniune in the video. I even doubt E-1. Can E-1 types really be that lighthearted?
Interessting part: 20 min.

[Chae]

Some possible lead comedians, just guessing:




Martina Hill
Bernhard Hoecker
Hape Kerkeling?
Monika Gruber? Or LIE




Hella von Sinnen
Kaya Yanar
Bülent Ceylan?


Comedians that seem more Ij or Ip to me:

Olaf Schubert
Dieter Nuhr
Rüdiger Hoffmann (Hallo Erstmal!)
Johann König


The blazing extraverts:

Mario Barth
Cordula Stratmann
Mike Krüger
Helge Schneider
Michael Mittermeier
Anke Engelke

[WinnieW]

My guess for Wigald Boning is LII-Ne with so-first and sp-last as instinctual stacking in the enneagram, therefore he seems like an extrovert in social sense.
His style of argumentation is -



What do you think?

[Chae]

My guess for Wigald Boning is LII-Ne with so-first and sp-last as instinctual stacking in the enneagram, therefore he seems like an extrovert in social sense.
His style of argumentation is -



What do you think?

For sure, and she's Alpha SF?

[WinnieW]

Initially I typed her – Ina Müller – as IEE, but ESE 2w3 or 3w2 does make more sense.
+ developed

[WinnieW]

Do we see here a ILI (R.D. Precht) and IEI (Marina Weisband) conversation?



I love the way she shows a weak hunch at 1:00 and a full hunch at 1:02 what his question will be about.

btw. Marina Weisband is the daughter of Igor Weisband. A well known name in Socionics.
I wonder if she made a test herself.

[Chae]

Julien Bam, one of the most famous Youtubers here - ILE

His videos are very elaborate and inventive, pop culture oriented, and always geared to get an emotional response. Behind the scenes he appears quite industrious, comfort-seeking, factual, and grounded in his work (strong ). In the video below he talks about always leaving all options open when it comes to his creating his content successfully.



creative - he came up with a typology of rapper archetypes that he portrays with clever rhymes and different scenes/ outfits:



A guy like that can only be a 3w4

[WinnieW]

Alexi Bexi - a german youtube channel
Alex is ILE

A few videos have intellectual niveau, but the product review videos and his Erklärbär videos are pure ranting and
madness.

[Chae]

Bares Für Rares

(Already typed: Horst Lichter - IEE-Fi 2)

Wolfgang - XSE 3w2?
Fabian - ILI 5w4
Susanne - LSI 5w6
Walter - ILE 7w8
Ludwig - IEE 7 or 2w3


All of the experts: Logical types

[WinnieW]

Bares Für Rares

Interested in my statements for that show, Chae? I've seen a few episodes of that show only, so far.

Horst Lichter – I'm not convinced on IEE – obvious extrovert, ethical type, -user and E-type 2, nevertheless

Wolfgang Pauritisch – very good people skills, -user, skillful and tactical negotiator, does seem > to me, not ego, can't see strong or valuing from him, however my impression is that he is a thinking type
Not finally settled on a type for him. Most likely intuitive type.

Susanne Steiger – Agree on LSI, logical type, + ego, mobilization, only basic needed people skills, ignoring.

Fabian Kahl – obvious introvert, can't tell if logical or ethical type, + user, can't see signs of ego
– maybe ILI

Walter Lehnertz – my guess is LSE, because I see ego + mobilization + strong demonstrative,
obvious extrovert, very direct in communication, honest, not very diplomatic

Ludwig Hofmair – obvious extrovert, ethical type, valuer, not very tactical minded. E-type 2 + 7 seems plausible to me.

Also obvious logical type for the female jewelery expert.

[Chae]

Interested in my statements for that show, Chae? I've seen a few episodes of that show only, so far.

Horst Lichter – I'm not convinced on IEE – obvious extrovert, ethical type, -user and E-type 2, nevertheless

Wolfgang Pauritisch – very good people skills, -user, skillful and tactical negotiator, does seem > to me, not ego, can't see strong or valuing from him, however my impression is that he is a thinking type
Not finally settled on a type for him. Most likely intuitive type.

Susanne Steiger – Agree on LSI, logical type, + ego, mobilization, only basic needed people skills, ignoring.

Fabian Kahl – obvious introvert, can't tell if logical or ethical type, + user, can't see signs of ego
– maybe ILI

Walter Lehnertz – my guess is LSE, because I see ego + mobilization + strong demonstrative,
obvious extrovert, very direct in communication, honest, not very diplomatic

Ludwig Hofmair – obvious extrovert, ethical type, valuer, not very tactical minded. E-type 2 + 7 seems plausible to me.

Also obvious logical type for the female jewelery expert.

Ah finally someone who watched it. Bares für Rares is getting super popular right now, maybe the other German members have seen it, too. Yes of course, awesome! You already wrote it all down I have no choice gdi! Why do you even ask hrrrghhhhhhh just leave away the question you ain't some Jehova's witness!!!

Horst Lichter - ExFx and valued , okay so you think ESE is also plausible? For me it's a tie between SEE and IEE actually. Lichter creates relationships with ease and states his personal stance toward someone always, always, always. He's hitting on literally anybody he likes, SX/SO at full throttle. PoLR, gets terms confused even after listening to the experts or jumps to wrong conclusions, has to be corrected constantly and feels self-conscious about it. So not suggested by

Wolfgang - Has a strong social instinct. SO/SP! The rest of what you said was a bit jumbled and contradictory. Ej is clear, linear-assertive.

Susanne - LSI is ignoring, not ignoring. Enemies with Ludwig.

Fabian - In today's episode he talked about getting timeless pieces and marketability, ILI was kind of obvious. Social instinct secondary perhaps. Very interesting mobilizing when it comes to showing manners. When there's conflict he can step in with ease too, absorbs aggression like a sponge. Very reserved PoLR. Gets on well with Ludwig!

Walter - Oh right... diplomacy is down the drain but sometimes he tries to be a big spender or something to be nice, suggestive might fit better. SX/SP or SP/SX then? Just like Susanne, those are the glaring social lasts.

Ludwig - He uses better than Horst sometimes, but mostly gets really aggravated in his conviction (?). What strikes me is that he makes compliments but won't bid lmao, ethics.

Doktor Heide Rezepa-Zabel is her name I think. I think more sensing than intuition, she also evaluates the beauty of the pieces.

[WinnieW]

Ah finally someone who watched it.

Not regularly.

Horst Lichter - ExFx and valued , okay so you think ESE is also plausible?

At least in TV shows he acts like a ESE E-2 type. It's my impression from him based on his show appearance. is a pretty weak function for ESE as well.

For me it's a tie between SEE and IEE actually.

You think he shows demonstrative?

Lichter creates relationships with ease and states his personal stance toward someone always, always, always.

Hmm. My impression is that he use quite a lot.

Wolfgang - Has a strong social instinct. SO/SP! The rest of what you said was a bit jumbled and contradictory. Ej is clear, linear-assertive.

Ok, my bet is on EIE for him.

Susanne - LSI is ignoring, not ignoring. Enemies with Ludwig.

Sorry, I confused it, again. -PoLR, of course.

Fabian - In today's episode he talked about getting timeless pieces and marketability, ILI was kind of obvious. Social instinct secondary perhaps. Very interesting mobilizing when it comes to showing manners. When there's conflict he can step in with ease too, absorbs aggression like a sponge. Very reserved PoLR. Gets on well with Ludwig!

Ok.

Walter - Oh right... diplomacy is down the drain but sometimes he tries to be a big spender or something to be nice, suggestive might fit better. SX/SP or SP/SX then? Just like Susanne, those are the glaring social lasts.

Yeah. Walter and Wolfgang are the opposites in how much they value diplomacy in this show.

Ludwig - He uses better than Horst sometimes, but mostly gets really aggravated in his conviction (?). What strikes me is that he makes compliments but won't bid lmao, ethics.

Based on his sports activity in his younger age, my bet is on SEE for him.

Doktor Heide Rezepa-Zabel is her name I think. I think more sensing than intuition, she also evaluates the beauty of the pieces.

I wonder if she is LSI too, same type as Susanne.

[Chae]

Not regularly.


At least in TV shows he acts like a ESE E-2 type. It's my impression from him based on his show appearance. is a pretty weak function for ESE as well.


You think he shows demonstrative?


Hmm. My impression is that he use quite a lot.


Ok, my bet is on EIE for him.


Sorry, I confused it, again. -PoLR, of course.


Ok.


Yeah. Walter and Wolfgang are the opposites in how much they value diplomacy in this show.


Based on his sports activity in his younger age, my bet is on SEE for him.


I wonder if she is LSI too, same type as Susanne.

You already said that, I meant that someone has looked into it eventually.

For the act, I'm curious if it's real or just a scripted persona he uses. I can see ESE at 1:08 in this one when he raves about the people and suggests creating a market to feel good and having an adventure, a celebration, all with the typical praise language:



Oh EIE leader for him. Definitely interesting. It makes sense having Walter as his opposite

What activity?

I could see it. She is rather awkward with Horst but suggestive to E... yeah, she lights up.

[WinnieW]

For the act, I'm curious if it's real or just a scripted persona he uses.

My impression is that they use coaching for the presenters incl. Horst, but it's not scripted. Does it make sense to script the show? I don't think so. There too many people involved. A lot of them wouldn't be able to act on a script, because they are not skilled actors.
btw. That would be a huge fake.

I can see ESE at 1:08 in this one when he raves about the people and suggests creating a market to feel good and having an adventure, a celebration, all with the typical praise language

Healthy -leading people can get along with a vast varity of people, because they can adapt themselves to different people.

Oh EIE leader for him. Definitely interesting.

Based on his very good people skills, a ego type is most probable for Wolfgang. ESE is no choice, because he is not PoLR.
That leaves beta NF for Wolfgang.

What activity?

His entry in Wikipedia says: champion gymnast, won the Upper Palatinate championship six times. German champion in apparatus gymnastics. "world champion of handwalking"
Sounds very valuing to me. So I conclued SEE for Ludwig, he shows demonstrative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Hofmaier

I could see it. She is rather awkward with Horst but suggestive to E... yeah, she lights up.

I can also see SLI for her, tbh. Haven't seen much from her, but sensing and thinking ego was quite obvious for me.

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Sometimes I confuse facts, because I don't use much to type other people. as function is too detached and doesn't spot for differences in other people.

But I guess you are more skilled and experienced in typing other people. I'm still at beginner level.

[Chae]

My impression is that they use coaching for the presenters incl. Horst, but it's not scripted. Does it make sense to script the show? I don't think so. There too many people involved. A lot of them wouldn't be able to act on a script, because they are not skilled actors.
btw. That would be a huge fake.


Healthy -leading people can get along with a vast varity of people, because they can adapt themselves to different people.


Based on his very good people skills, a ego type is most probable for Wolfgang. ESE is no choice, because he is not PoLR.
That leaves beta NF for Wolfgang.


His entry in Wikipedia says: champion gymnast, won the Upper Palatinate championship six times. German champion in apparatus gymnastics. "world champion of handwalking"
Sounds very valuing to me. So I conclued SEE for Ludwig, he shows demonstrative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Hofmaier


I can also see SLI for her, tbh. Haven't seen much from her, but sensing and thinking ego was quite obvious for me.

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Sometimes I confuse facts, because I don't use much to type other people. as function is too detached and doesn't spot for differences in other people.

But I guess you are more skilled and experienced in typing other people. I'm still at beginner level.

The show does have extras and hidden castings I've read, it's more of a charade than you'd think But it's true that it would make no sense, and it doesn't feel scripted when I ask my gut. Too much mishaps, imperfect/cheap items, and strange characters in there, they can only use cutting.

Especially Hamlet I think, intuition gives a good base for acting and improv in any situation.

IEI is extremely unlikely with PoLR as well. He's talking about good deals like Fabian.

Winning something doesn't indicate ! I'd rather hear why he chose these disciplines.

Yup!

That's okay, don't worry. ~pat pat~ I'll whip your ass into shape until you surpass me because that's actually easy, I'm quite a flop at typing but I try hard to advance You make very good guesses sometimes as far as I can judge, it leaves me "oh.. this is right" or "ah, didn't think of that, and it's good". Maybe it's just your intuition that lets some details slide, this can happen as well and is not a problem since you aren't next-level stubborn about it. Got my sharp eyes on them posts, creepy big brother is dead. This is: big sister Do we have other TV personas to type?

[Chae]

The German Let's Dance judges!



Jorge Gonzales - Strong extro ethics, ESE? Probably a flaming SX/SO

Motsi Mabuse - Also ethics with sensing. SEE is my guess

Joachim Llambi - Logics definitely, LSI, LSE? Very similar to Dieter Bohlen

@WinnieW

[Number 9 large]

right is LSI, middle is ExE, and left maybe SLE

[WinnieW]

The German Let's Dance judges!

Sorry Chae, I don't have any idea. I've never watched this show.
...and I guess you already know my attitude towards phototyping...

[Chae]

Sorry Chae, I don't have any idea. I've never watched this show.
...and I guess you already know my attitude towards phototyping...

Ah okay! The picture was just for demonstration purposes, not VI Here is a video:



(The intro is hilarious)

[Sol]

Gerhard Schroder - ISFJ

[WinnieW]

What's the type of the attractive female scientist?



Based on the video I'd say: ILE-Ne (Most likely Alpha NT)

[Still Alive]

Hi everyone, I'm a new member to this site. I've build the first german website for socionics. it's called soziotypen.de
my website has a gallery with famous examples of types. maybe you want to take a look. it cointains some types from germany

http://soziotypen.de/bekannte-persoenlichkeiten/