Experiences with Identical Relations

[Ms. Kensington]

I really wouldn't mind being with a healthy, intelligent IEI; very wonderful people.

On the contrary, I've had some pretty bad relations with unhealthy/asshole IEI's though... very bad. The problem with them is that they desperately seek Se, and if they don't get it they'll literally try to force it out of you.

yes. but IEIs are not my identicals.

I think most LIIs I've met i want to throw darts at or throw off of a building. I think it's a self hatred more than anything else. It's because they really have no Se and seem to like try to cover it up by getting an Fe response. One LII i know at work is like "[my name] doesn't like me *pout*". And this is after we're talking about getting some work done. I was like............ get the eff away from me. I just can't stand something so glaring. But if the person is really smart I dont care.

[Exodus]

I usually find LIIs interesting to talk to, but not much more than that. And definitely the smarter the more interesting.

[Rubicon]

yes. but IEIs are not my identicals.

I think most LIIs I've met i want to throw darts at or throw off of a building. I think it's a self hatred more than anything else. It's because they really have no Se and seem to like try to cover it up by getting an Fe response. One LII i know at work is like "[my name] doesn't like me *pout*". And this is after we're talking about getting some work done. I was like............ get the eff away from me. I just can't stand something so glaring. But if the person is really smart I dont care.

All this time I've been thinking you're ILE.

[Ms. Kensington]

All this time I've been thinking you're ILE.

ah.. well I think I am intuitive subtype.. a lot of people think im not a typical LII but the ILEs on here know i'm way too stuffy to be one of them

[Mattie]

I think I would be frustrated in an Identical relationship. Mostly because I'd feel like I'm not being rounded out, more like there's just my qualities intensified. I think I get along great with other ENFps, but I could see us strangling each other sooner or later =P

[Reuben]

I have an offkey feeling that ScarlettLuxray (pokemon ftw!) is actually an ISFp kitten in disguise.

The reason why SLE's may not be in the zone for you is because of their unappreciation of Si.

Scarlett. Your pictures always give me the sense of sensual control. And that is so, very sexy.

[Joy]

Duality is also (IME) really hard to start.

I think the easiest relationships to start are probably with activity and illusionary. I could see identity being easy for types with strong Se and/or ethics... but if I wanted to hook up with a LIE I think it would be a somewhat challenging thing to do (at least that was my experience in the past). Not as challenging as it would be with my mirror though.

Maybe I should start a topic about duality.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

You all know I hate the yin/yang dichotomy and such but really with my Identicals we both want to fuck/rape each other's brains out but nobody makes the first move. But if somebody does end up asking the other one out, we talk about how we don't want to hurt each other and just be friends but secretly we still want to fuck we just idealize each other so much that it becomes a physical impossibility. I think with duals why they work more is they will simply get things done better in a 'business' sense that has absolutely NOTHING to do with how much you LIKE or LOVE a person. You get what I'm saying?

My mom/dad work not because they show love or really like each other, but because they are different enough to get physical, tangible things done in the real world. My identical and me just want to talk about how much we love each other all day. Don't get me wrong. That is EXCELLENT and no other relationship can give you that. That's why I think socionics is being offensive, heterosexist, and homophobic/mean by saying duals are the "best" relationships. Better/best is subjective to opinion, but it's obvious that Identicals are better in some ways and crappier in others.

Yes, I think we all *love* our Identicals the best and want to spend the most time with them goofing off and showing mutual understanding. You need that in life or you will commit suicide. Birds of a feather, baby. But socionics is not just about romantic love but what will work best for humanity society as a *whole.* I think we just want to sit in our bed with Identical and gaze in each other's eyes and fuck them all day. That is great, everybody wants that- but we also need to be productive so duals has the lovey dovey ness but also the workforce ethic that we need to be successful and contribute something that's greater than ourselves. It's about sacrifice and moral duty, not just about what makes you happy and fulfilled in your soul.

But anyways I would just like to say great point. I think too many people think you will clash with your Identical or feel too neutral towards them. That is just silly and retarded... they are in your same quadra for heaven's sake, you have the same goals, you wanna go the same places, working together is going to get you farther than thinking you need somebody so different to rev you up. If you do feel that way, you need to learn to like yourself more or have better self-confidence because it just isn't like that.

[ScarlettLux]

You all know I hate the yin/yang dichotomy and such but really with my Identicals we both want to fuck/rape each other's brains out but nobody makes the first move. But if somebody does end up asking the other one out, we talk about how we don't want to hurt each other and just be friends but secretly we still want to fuck we just idealize each other so much that it becomes a physical impossibility. I think with duals why they work more is they will simply get things done better in a 'business' sense that has absolutely NOTHING to do with how much you LIKE or LOVE a person. You get what I'm saying?

My mom/dad work not because they show love or really like each other, but because they are different enough to get physical, tangible things done in the real world. My identical and me just want to talk about how much we love each other all day. Don't get me wrong. That is EXCELLENT and no other relationship can give you that. That's why I think socionics is being offensive, heterosexist, and homophobic/mean by saying duals are the "best" relationships. Better/best is subjective to opinion, but it's obvious that Identicals are better in some ways and crappier in others.

Yes, I think we all *love* our Identicals the best and want to spend the most time with them goofing off and showing mutual understanding. You need that in life or you will commit suicide. Birds of a feather, baby. But socionics is not just about romantic love but what will work best for humanity society as a *whole.* I think we just want to sit in our bed with Identical and gaze in each other's eyes and fuck them all day. That is great, everybody wants that- but we also need to be productive so duals has the lovey dovey ness but also the workforce ethic that we need to be successful and contribute something that's greater than ourselves. It's about sacrifice and moral duty, not just about what makes you happy and fulfilled in your soul.

But anyways I would just like to say great point. I think too many people think you will clash with your Identical or feel too neutral towards them. That is just silly and retarded... they are in your same quadra for heaven's sake, you have the same goals, you wanna go the same places, working together is going to get you farther than thinking you need somebody so different to rev you up. If you do feel that way, you need to learn to like yourself more or have better self-confidence because it just isn't like that.

A++++

[ScarlettLux]

I have an offkey feeling that ScarlettLuxray (pokemon ftw!) is actually an ISFp kitten in disguise.

The reason why SLE's may not be in the zone for you is because of their unappreciation of Si.

Scarlett. Your pictures always give me the sense of sensual control. And that is so, very sexy.

Thanks =D But I highly, HIGHLY doubt I am an SEI! Though I place sort of high emphasis on matters... but I think that's more of a counterphobic thing, since I have PoLR I overdo it.

[Reuben]

I'm an SLE. I want your number, and I want to fuck you. But I would rather wait for a thousand years and make it last for 5 seconds then blow it off right now. See you around at stickam.

[FDG]

You all know I hate the yin/yang dichotomy and such but really with my Identicals we both want to fuck/rape each other's brains out but nobody makes the first move. But if somebody does end up asking the other one out, we talk about how we don't want to hurt each other and just be friends but secretly we still want to fuck we just idealize each other so much that it becomes a physical impossibility. I think with duals why they work more is they will simply get things done better in a 'business' sense that has absolutely NOTHING to do with how much you LIKE or LOVE a person. You get what I'm saying?

My mom/dad work not because they show love or really like each other, but because they are different enough to get physical, tangible things done in the real world. My identical and me just want to talk about how much we love each other all day. Don't get me wrong. That is EXCELLENT and no other relationship can give you that. That's why I think socionics is being offensive, heterosexist, and homophobic/mean by saying duals are the "best" relationships. Better/best is subjective to opinion, but it's obvious that Identicals are better in some ways and crappier in others.

Yes, I think we all *love* our Identicals the best and want to spend the most time with them goofing off and showing mutual understanding. You need that in life or you will commit suicide. Birds of a feather, baby. But socionics is not just about romantic love but what will work best for humanity society as a *whole.* I think we just want to sit in our bed with Identical and gaze in each other's eyes and fuck them all day. That is great, everybody wants that- but we also need to be productive so duals has the lovey dovey ness but also the workforce ethic that we need to be successful and contribute something that's greater than ourselves. It's about sacrifice and moral duty, not just about what makes you happy and fulfilled in your soul.

But anyways I would just like to say great point. I think too many people think you will clash with your Identical or feel too neutral towards them. That is just silly and retarded... they are in your same quadra for heaven's sake, you have the same goals, you wanna go the same places, working together is going to get you farther than thinking you need somebody so different to rev you up. If you do feel that way, you need to learn to like yourself more or have better self-confidence because it just isn't like that.

This doesn't work universally though for every type of identicals i.e. ExTx identicals might be better for taking care of business and worse for romantic matters

[Wynch]

This doesn't work universally though for every type of identicals i.e. ExTx identicals might be better for taking care of business and worse for romantic matters

Too true. That's exactly what I was thinking when I was reading BnD's post. I'm pretty sure if I hooked up with someone like my best friend's bf (ENTp, obviously) he and I would be retarded. We would play bridge all day, have sex all night, but generally avoid anything of a particularly direct emotional connection. We would probably have romance in the theoretical/idealized sense, but it would all be superficial BS.

On a certain level, identical relations are great and it works for a lot of people. There are a lot of positives involved, to be sure. Additionally, it's obvious that people can be perfectly content and completely in love with someone who isn't their dual, it happens all the time. Dualization is merely an ideal. In fact there are plenty of cases where people won't even like their duals. I mean personality meshing says nothing of individual interests, experiences, etc. Certainly, I can see the theoretical appeal of my dual and my quadra. I've experienced dualization in a non-romantic sense and it was amazing. That being said I see the appeal of delta and beta introverts as much as alpha introverts (sorry gamma, go f yourself, lol). I could just as easily end up with my semi-dual (most of my closest friends are ISTp) as my dual. And I certainly hit it off with my identicals in initial meetings all the time. On a theoretical level it all makes perfect sense (if the theory of socionics is valid, that is). That's the backbone of socionics intertype relations; not that everyone will only be truly happy with their dual, but that certain types will relate differently. Some people naturally prefer different kinds of relationships. Personally, I like a little drama in a relationship. If something is too perfect I'm afraid of the end of it. Life is more exciting with the drama of imperfection.

[FDG]

Too true. That's exactly what I was thinking when I was reading BnD's post. I'm pretty sure if I hooked up with someone like my best friend's bf (ENTp, obviously) he and I would be retarded. We would play bridge all day, have sex all night, but generally avoid anything of a particularly direct emotional connection. We would probably have romance in the theoretical/idealized sense, but it would all be superficial BS.

On a certain level, identical relations are great and it works for a lot of people.

Well yeah, I have many identical friends; I actually think that perhaps two compatible identicals can make the best relationships for "best friends" because you easily understand each other; often I can have great discussions and great adventures with my identicals; usually duals are very skeptical of my adventures for example.

That's the backbone of socionics intertype relations; not that everyone will only be truly happy with their dual, but that certain types will relate differently. Some people naturally prefer different kinds of relationships. Personally, I like a little drama in a relationship. If something is too perfect I'm afraid of the end of it. Life is more exciting with the drama of imperfection.

Eheh well I'm the opposite, I cannot really stand drama in relationships, it makes me extremely nervous but not in a "good" way.

[Wynch]

Well yeah, I have many identical friends; I actually think that perhaps two compatible identicals can make the best relationships for "best friends" because you easily understand each other; often I can have great discussions and great adventures with my identicals; usually duals are very skeptical of my adventures for example.

Yes! Exactly. My identicals don't think I'm silly or crazy or too nerdy. They're as gung-ho as I am (usually) about doing things like playing strategy games or random adventures.

Eheh well I'm the opposite, I cannot really stand drama in relationships, it makes me extremely nervous but not in a "good" way.

That's the point I was trying to make. Different people enjoy different types of relationships.

[Ms. Kensington]

Yes! Exactly. My identicals don't think I'm silly or crazy or too nerdy. They're as gung-ho as I am (usually) about doing things like playing strategy games or random adventures.



That's the point I was trying to make. Different people enjoy different types of relationships.

yeah its weird though; if that is what an ENTp needs it should be what the ISFp would give him or her, if you think about it. An Fe ISFp provides the emotional drama/jealousy a Ti ENTp needs to register, according to the literature. The relations might work differently in different fields, as Fabio said, in work.

personally ive been campaigning against duals for the years i've been here; heh. But i have a very strong separation in my mind with information processing and choices that people make apart from these; and I think that this also has to do with my type. So it is affecting my preferences in a way that other types might not be as prone to. So i seem to agree with your OP in the sense that different types may be prone to a certain kind of relation, and to prefer it, not to say that the relations will work differently with the different types in general.

[FDG]

yeah its weird though; if that is what an ENTp needs it should be what the ISFp would give him or her, if you think about it. An Fe ISFp provides the emotional drama/jealousy a Ti ENTp needs to register, according to the literature. The relations might work differently in different fields, as Fabio said, in work.

personally ive been campaigning against duals for the years i've been here; heh. But i have a very strong separation in my mind with information processing and choices that people make apart from these; and I think that this also has to do with my type. So it is affecting my preferences in a way that other types might not be as prone to. So i seem to agree with your OP in the sense that different types may be prone to a certain kind of relation, and to prefer it, not to say that the relations will work differently with the different types in general.

I think that duals provide what we really *need* but they might not always provide what we would *want to hear*, basically.

Oftentimes my advetures are dangerous and they give me absolutely no "profit". Staying at home studying would definitely be better for my future - or maybe just relaxing. That could be what an ISFj would say me. But I still want to do them, and somebody who will always go along without saying a word is another ENTj.

However in that case I have to pay attention to be a bit more ISFj-like towards him (like remembering to bring extra food or whatever), otherwise it could be somewhat dangerous...

[Park]

...But I still want to do them...

LOL

[ScarlettLux]

Welp, little update on my own identical relationship : It's going swell, best one I've ever had, supremely happy. I love being able to really let down my guard and just be as silly as I'd like around him... identical relations are so very comforting. I kinda feel like I don't need anyone else but him in my life, that's how close we are now. I can see this going way far into the future, and it's the first time I have been truly "serious" about anybody.

It's kinda true what B&D said though - about how identicals want to do nothing more but talk about how much they love each-other, stare into each-others' eyes and fuck each-others' brains out constantly... Yep. The only flaw is that it is a little impractical and unproductive, and we have to force ourselves to actually "do" something when we're together although we'd rather just "do" nothing and relax together. I dunno, it seems harder to plan stuff with your identical ?


Screw duality.

[xyz]

I wouldn't be so hasty, Lux. But, glad you're doing well.

[Ms. Kensington]

I wouldn't be so hasty, Lux. But, glad you're doing well.

Well, i think she already had an ESTp. Not to say that there's not another ESTp out there that will be even better than the identical she has now. Sorry lux, if you're not INFp now.

[ScarlettLux]

Still doing amazing =]

Seems to be getting better & better. Err, this thread title doesn't make much sense in the context of my signature. He's a true blue IEI but I'm still unsure if I'm IEI or EIE. I don't even care haha, whatever relation it is, it's a highly compatible one. I dunno, I tried searching for information re: Mirror relations and they don't seem to read all that promising to me, based on what other posters have already said. Descriptions of Mirror relations don't really fit us.

There's a strange element of something other than identity for us though ... we're just different enough to be complementary and it feels EXTREMELY passionate, so comfortable, we share everything with each-other. We can spend days on end with each-other (and we do) and it never becomes too boring or anything. It's just like ... comforting.

Compared to other relationships wherein I had either the physical or just emotional/mental, this has it all. It never gets awkward, which is one of the best parts: We talk about sex, anything that is considered a bit taboo to talk about without any weirdness at all. Sorry I'm gushing so much, it's just that I'm so happy, I can hardly believe it.

[Sirena]

Still doing amazing =]

Seems to be getting better & better. Err, this thread title doesn't make much sense in the context of my signature. He's a true blue IEI but I'm still unsure if I'm IEI or EIE. I don't even care haha, whatever relation it is, it's a highly compatible one. I dunno, I tried searching for information re: Mirror relations and they don't seem to read all that promising to me, based on what other posters have already said. Descriptions of Mirror relations don't really fit us.

There's a strange element of something other than identity for us though ... we're just different enough to be complementary and it feels EXTREMELY passionate, so comfortable, we share everything with each-other. We can spend days on end with each-other (and we do) and it never becomes too boring or anything. It's just like ... comforting.

Compared to other relationships wherein I had either the physical or just emotional/mental, this has it all. It never gets awkward, which is one of the best parts: We talk about sex, anything that is considered a bit taboo to talk about without any weirdness at all. Sorry I'm gushing so much, it's just that I'm so happy, I can hardly believe it.

[Blaze]

sweeeet scarlett...i'm happy for you....this one sounds awesome

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Oh man yeah I love when all those sameness and differences matches up perfectly to create true chemistry.

[BurntOrange]

My identicals generally annoy me.

I still find a lot of my identicals attractive though, and attractive people rarely annoy me.
So I guess I like my identicals too.

THANK YOU! haha I see why we're annoyed by each other. It's true though, pretty much the only time I really click with my identicals is if there's a strong sexual attraction, and most ILEs I recognize are dudes haha. I just relate to the competition/weirded out stuff too much. LII guys are probably easier for me to get along with than ILEs. In group situations there's always just this like EP competitive dynamic and we have to escalate shit until we end up doing something completely stupid. I could see how it could be great in a real relationship though; certainly as a type that doesn't have this dynamic. It might be great for me too though, I can't say as I don't think I've ever actually had a serious relationship with my identical.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

In some circumstances I believe Identicals and Duals can be difficult to tell apart. A celebrity persona is going to seem to ebb and flow between appearing like their dual and their identical, I would imagine.

In cutsey/married duals, they might even mold to look the same and literally "Become One." Their differences become much more readily apparent when you tear them apart and place them both in a more physical/high-strung environment, methinks. (Which goes back to the popular belief 'duals ignore each other around other people in public social situations.')

[Wittmont]

Still doing amazing =]

Seems to be getting better & better. Err, this thread title doesn't make much sense in the context of my signature. He's a true blue IEI but I'm still unsure if I'm IEI or EIE. I don't even care haha, whatever relation it is, it's a highly compatible one. I dunno, I tried searching for information re: Mirror relations and they don't seem to read all that promising to me, based on what other posters have already said. Descriptions of Mirror relations don't really fit us.

There's a strange element of something other than identity for us though ... we're just different enough to be complementary and it feels EXTREMELY passionate, so comfortable, we share everything with each-other. We can spend days on end with each-other (and we do) and it never becomes too boring or anything. It's just like ... comforting.

Compared to other relationships wherein I had either the physical or just emotional/mental, this has it all. It never gets awkward, which is one of the best parts: We talk about sex, anything that is considered a bit taboo to talk about without any weirdness at all. Sorry I'm gushing so much, it's just that I'm so happy, I can hardly believe it.

Go you two!

[betterthan]

Do you feel conflict/competition with them? Do you feel attracted to them? Do you get along with them? Do you find them boring? Is it a good relationship to have, one with an identical?

Please share your thoughts & experiences.
x!

[redbaron]

Do you feel conflict/competition with them? Do you feel attracted to them? Do you get along with them? Do you find them boring? Is it a good relationship to have, one with an identical?

Please share your thoughts & experiences.
x!

A couple of my oldest friends are IEIs. Occasionally I do feel a smidgen of competitiveness with them but not usually and I don't express it to them. No conflict whatsoever. Yes, I feel attracted to them because I know they'll understand me. Whenever I have a problem, I go to either one of my IEI friends OR my LII friend. Those three give me the best understanding. And the LII has the benefit of giving me the straight logical view, helping me to see things more as they are and taking the emotion out of them (which is helpful to me). No, I certainly don't find them boring. I mean, they don't bring in a lot of new stuff into my life I guess. But we share interests and have great discussions. I would never describe being with either of them as boring, nope.

When I was 16, I fell in love with an IEI and we were together for well over a year, and in love for close to two years. His parents forced us to break up because they thought we were too young to be so serious (and they were right but their "rules" only stoked the fire). Anyway, yeah. So that was the only identical romantic relationship I've ever had. I'll say this: in the end I did find it annoying that he was being indecisive (over following his parents or his own heart) and it made me realize that I wanted someone generally more decisive. I know that immaturity had plenty to do with it. But it was also, you know, being IEI. I guess there are things about myself that drive me crazy, that I wouldn't want to deal with in a romantic partner. But for friendship, there's nothing like an identical!

[xyz]

They're cool.

[ZTCrawcrustle]

It is not the best realtionship, as both of you feel that you play the same role. I remember a class with a teacher who was my identical, which was interesting and entertaining, but we probably both thought of each other as asses, although we got along great. However, we fought constantly. If you can decipher this, cheers!

[jessica129]

They're cool.

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[xyz]

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haha. Cmon, did you really want me to babble on and on about how cool my identicals are, or would you rather me shut the fuck up and take you to go to a concert or something?

[jessica129]

haha. Cmon, did you really want me to babble on and on about how cool my identicals are, or would you rather me shut the fuck up and take you to go to a concert or something?

Shut the fuck up and take me to a concert

[Creepy-]

My identicals are kick-ass.

E.g.:

haha. Cmon, did you really want me to babble on and on about how cool my identicals are, or would you rather me shut the fuck up and take you to go to a concert or something?

Shut the fuck up and take me to a concert

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

They're okay. Best type to have conversations with, and to see what I need to improve upon. I notice that all IEIs kinda use their intuition too much, and might believe everything they read or hear about, but if they get some direct evidence to it- they can change their mind. However, Te is our weakness, so if this is displayed to us IRL it would probably annoy us a great deal, so I think... we have to read or watch it from a third party source so we're not directly involved in it. Word-of-mouth stories that might seem pleasant, I think we can be too gullible for these.

Two IEIs can be very romantic/loving with each other.

[cracka]

I get along rather well with the one or 2 people I've thought may be my type.

[DirectorAbbie]

It's great having an ESTj as an English Instructor. He's so easy to understand! I think he's a Te subtype, too. He uses big words, which is fun, 'cause I enjoy doing the same. The assignments are also the types of things I can handle, none of that annoying "work in groups to make a persuasive movie" stuff I get from my ESFj government teacher.

I also have a friend who's an ESTj. When we talk, it's mostly about school and how our classes are going. We get along because we think on the same wavelength, but don't hang out together. I don't know what she thinks of me, but she's kinda boring.

[jessica129]

I also have a friend who's an ESTj. When we talk, it's mostly about school and how our classes are going. We get along because we think on the same wavelength, but don't hang out together. I don't know what she thinks of me, but she's kinda boring.

You sure that's a friend?