Brown, but I still don't know why you're talking about my type. I wasn't asking about my type. I'm trying to see how you come by what you say about Ne.
Brown, but I still don't know why you're talking about my type. I wasn't asking about my type. I'm trying to see how you come by what you say about Ne.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
You said i typed you earlier...i'm trying to remember where...
There are many subtype theories out there...its somewhat of a hypothetical thing....but usefull nevertheless to further explain differences in people
......i'll see if i can find you a good link. ok...that explains it. ok
ENTP:wink:ALPHA
This seems a bit exaggerated.. an ISTp is still an ISTp.
Sure, subtypes mean something but one's type doesn't become another because of a strong subtype. An ENFp with a strong Fi subtype might act like ESFp when there's no dual present but ultimately Ne is still the leading function. Se is a less ideal function to use compared to Ne. We all use our weak functions and some of us develop better use of them but ultimately an ENFp with developed Se would still prefer to use Ne if the situation is welcoming of it. So yes, according to the theory matching subtypes complement each other better, but subtypes don't change one's type. If there's an ENFp who consistently prefers to use Se in situations where his Ne is welcomed then they are ESFp. A dual would encourage you to use your leading function, otherwise they'd be a different type. I believe that strong creative subtypes are more about having an even weaker polr function and needing a dual who will be extra lenient to this and both of you will protect each other even better from each other's polr.
What I'm saying is that even with a strong subtype, an ENFp is still ultimately an ENFp and an ISTp is ultimately ISTp. We all put our guards up in our daily lives, enhancing attributes that aren't really in our true nature, the point is not if we can do that better than others but that we ultimately become more like ourselves in an accepting environment like duality.
I don't know whether this thread is resurrected, but here's my experience.
Same subtypes are better.
Though duality stays duality, same subtypes just gives an incredible chemistry.
Dual creative subtypes will get on OPTIMALLY with other dual creative subtype (e.g. in this case, ENFp-Fi w. ISTp-Te,) and vice versa.
"Take a tip from one who's tri-i-ied..."
That said, duality is still duality, i.e. great... subtypes don't matter a hell of a lot... They matter most in the 'getting-to-know-you' phase bc--e.g. you may be used to, say, one subtype, and now that you're face-to-face with the other, you don't quite know what to make of him/her, i.e. even though he/she is still you're dual (Cliff's notes: subtypes within the same sociotype can come off very differently.)
Long-term... I couldn't tell you... In my (admittedly limited) dating experience with Ti-ISTjs,--while short-term I found them like a perfect balance between dual and activity relation--lont-term, I found them to talk too much, to want to mother me too much, etc... With Se-LSI--I never felt annoyed.
I suspect that there maybe a great deal of truth in this, especially the bolded part which I havn't heard expressed quite like this before but fits well with my understaning.
It also seems to me that perhaps our sub-types may be influenced by those around us, for example and IEE in a heavily Fi environment would pick up on that energy and would become more Fi in behaviour and outlook, whilst maybe the opposite would be true in an environment, that was more bias towards Ne.
There isn't even anything specific within Socionic theory to firmly support that subtypes exist.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Exactly.
Fair point. Is this statement incorrect though?
An individuals type according to Socionics (whether or not it is recognised by the worlds principle monotheistic religions) is determined by an individuals capacity to process a certain types of information (the socionic elements).
Model A is a closed logical system built around this and it defines 16 types depending on the relative capacity to process the different types of information.
The idea of subtypes is based on observations of individuals that showed a broad variation in behaviours between individuals of the same type. Subtypes are not taken into account in Model A and could be explained as essentially a subjective description of the extremes of variations of individuals within a type.
Actually I'll clarify that. Is there a clear and distinct separation between subtypes?
I'm an Fi-IEE and my husband is Te-ISTps. the reason I found him to be very attractive over Si-ISTps is the fact he's more talkative, more outgoing . And more brash.
Si-ISTps have this 'softness' that doesn't appeal to me usually in romantic settings. I believe another Fi-IEE user had similar opinions and her long term partner is Si-ESTj .
How do you even recognize subtypes? Like first you have to find a dual, than a dual with the right subtype, geez man lol.
I did met an LSE man that was very laid back which caught me off guard, but seemed very LSE nonethless, DS Fi, creative Si. So maybe he was an Si LSE?
I don't really actively think about socionics that much but sometimes i find myself back here. I don't know what subtype i am, i thought for the longest time that i was the FI subtype because i would say that 'kindness' seems like my most defining characteristic which seemed related to Fi but i actually think i fit with the Ne type now. I think depression/anxiety / Ne polr parents muted that.
I have a very long standing friend who is a Te SLI. He is basically as archetypal as you can imagine. Has rebuilt car engines without studying mechanics, incredibly practical in other areas (has a hops farm). Hes quite an angry / firery person and i'm not sure how characteristic that is of Te types. I think there are some pathological slight personality issues there. He will yell at his sister, tell his ENFp wife she has got the wrong BBQ fitting and sending her off again while im subtly suggesting that he and i should go get it for her. He recently had a fight with this really close friends of his, socially he just cannot win. He is loyal to a fault, he is very talkative and interesting and i do enjoy hanging out with him (in moderation). So all in all even though i haven't painted him in the best light I do like him and find him very stimulating. I often cant actually keep up with what hes saying i find myself asking for a bit more clarification because i feel like hes assuming i know wtf hes talking about.
This is a message i got 2 days ago:
Him: "I gotta put extractors on the BA and high flow catalitic converter"
Me: "Ahh yeah ive gotta fit contractors on my cyclotronic amplifier".
I've been friends with two Si-ISTp's and I just found them far easier to hang around for long periods. They are more socially skilled so its just easier. They are obviously really chilled out, talk slower, more subtle smiles etc. The guys i know were/are quite successful with women. I met a guy on a holiday a while back and we got on really well. He just made me want to laugh looking at him (in a good way). He was uncannily similar to Scott Ryan from the Australian series Mr Inbetween. His mannerisms were almost exactly the same, i swear they could have been twins. I don't think this dude kills anyone though. Fantastic show btw.
One of my clients who has depression is an Si-ISTp as well. He says things like 'I really like you coming to visit' and 'have a good day'. Its quite endearing. I also wonder if its different between Friends / In a relationship.
So all in all, i find Te ISTp's more intellectually stimulating / tiring, but i'd have to choose Si-ISTp's as my preference for just the sheer comfort. Not having to think really has it's merits.
Anyway, there is my rant that probably helps no one but whatever lol.
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ENFp (Unsure of Subtype)
"And the day came when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk it took to blossom." - Anaïs Nin
@meatburger, that's a really good description of the differences that I find between my Dual's two subtypes. Either exciting, or comfortable.
I wonder if this is a universal?
Yeah i'm not sure. When you think about it that's quite true for a lot of subtypes isn't it. My mum is an ESI-Fi and I work with an ESI-Se. Both awesome but definitely quite different energy levels. I like both equally, my mother is the most caring person i've ever met and the girl from work is fiery and vulnerable in a good way. I guess whatever subtype you are could change who you find comfortable though.
I also am friends with both subtypes of EII. The Fi Subtype guy is kinder, more tactful, more well rounded and fun, the Ne type is a bit saracastic & snarky but sharp as a whip to the point where i feel slightly on edge.
ENFp (Unsure of Subtype)
"And the day came when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk it took to blossom." - Anaïs Nin
Hey dude. Yeah i work as a support worker. You're 100% right about my boosted Fi, its absolutely the function i notice myself using most of the time and i have also noticed how on this forum I interpret everything through the lens of my relationships with others. Although there are some reasons to think i'm more Ne leaning too. I actually could be right down the middle. I won't hijack this thread, i've posted enough about myself on here already. Be cool to PM you though!
I don't actually know many ILI-Te's. I believe i met one at uni and he was incredibly interesting dude. This guy is 100% SLI, to the point where if he wasn't i'd just abandon everything i believed about socionics forever. Hes kind of nerdy for sure, he plays a bit of Kerbal space program and just sent me a message about a new graphics card he got. He was quite aggressive when younger, e.g he has knocked out quite a few people in the past. He used to drive a turbocharged car and was very talented at driving fast which saved my life a few times. Was a competitive downhill mountain biker and now does stuff with pit bikes. He used to be an arborist cutting down trees.As a side note: I've seen ILI-Te(strenghtened Te+Se) do the "I gotta put extractors on the BA and high flow catalitic converter" way more often than SLI-Te. You sure the first guy is SLI? SLI-Te are more "nerdy" in general than that.
I'm sure a lot of those things aren't type related on the whole he seems much more SLI to me. But i'm open to having my mind blown
Here an example, the character is a SLI-Te hacker(sp/sx and mentally ill, but you started it with Mr Inbetween) and the shrink probably EII
Great show
John Krasinski & Emily Blunt would be an example of a IEE-Ne(John) & SLI-Si(Emily) couple. They made the movie "A Quiet Place" together.
Yeah i'm definitely not very much like him at all. Quiet place 2 should be out if it weren't for Rona. Check out a youtuber called Tobuscus. I remember thinking that he could be a strong IEE-Ne and he is way over the top.
ENFp (Unsure of Subtype)
"And the day came when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk it took to blossom." - Anaïs Nin
If you say he's SLI, I believe you, you know him better. Feel free to PM me!
I watched a video of Tobuscus and I think he's ILE-Ne. He has the fake "look at me I'm hilarious" laughter that I associate to Fe HAs. A lot of Ti questioning also in his videos. And trying to become an known Youtuber by doing an oneman show with light sarcasm? So alpha quadra
These shows are pretty much Fe shows and they are rehearsed. Guests have to use Fe and tell funny stories, doesn't mean they value it. So this kind of evidence is meaningless.
I did however watch other videos and they might actually be ESE(Emily) and IEI or LII(John). Which is .... way different than my original typing. Well, thanks for giving me the opportunity to improve my typing skills!
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The way I see it, there are two kinds of IEEs:
- 1. the ones that love to be helped and project a big aura of incompetence(huh huh? Can you help me fill in my tax return report? I'm such a mess & life's distressing & I'm going to cry) so that some Te ego must care for them = IEE-Fi
- 2. the ones that prefer to do things on their own, fuck things up, pretend there is no problem until it blows up, ask some Te ego for help as last resort(Everything's under control, haha there's no problem! Can you lend me some money?) = IEE-Ne