The Role of IQ in duality relationships

[Aquagraph]

Maritsa's low IQ cheered me up so well it feels wrong.

[Saberstorm]

Did Marista surprise anybody with her under 100 IQ score?

[Beautiful sky]

It was some random online test; are those things accurate?

[Aquagraph]

It was some random online test; are those things accurate?

No, the popular ones tend to be easy on your ego by giving a higher result.

[rat1]

I didnt know people actually scored under 100 on those.

[Aquagraph]

Must be maritsa-related.

[Gilly]

Maritsa's low IQ cheered me up so well it feels wrong.

Lmao

[anndelise]

I don't tend to give much credence to IQ scores, particular ones given from an online site.
I've known a couple of people who've been ecstatic that they scored a 100, who were able to fix cars and small engine items quickly and efficiently, or able to grow beautiful gardens working with a variety of plants that wouldn't normally work well in a particular climate. They specialized on something, and became great at it.

I've known many other people that brag about scoring 120-140 and a few even higher, but they don't put that IQ to much use. Many of them have difficulty accomplishing what they set out to do, or wile away their lives with escapist activities, or even trying to show off how intelligent they are...yet not actually putting it to use (eg online debate games).

Obviously, I admire more those who do something useful or beautiful with their intellectual capacities over those who, imo, waste it. (unfortunately for me, I'd lump myself in as a waster)

However, with that all said, some of the issues I've had with Maritsa are finally making sense to me now, and I'm feeling kinda sorry about some of my actions/views regarding her.

And if you think that sentence sounded arrogant, yeah, maybe there is some of that there, but keep in mind that I greatly admire those who use what they've got, and that I lump myself as a waster.

[rat1]

Stupidity and socionics together is a bad combo.

[Absurd]

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I know or heard about a guy with the I.Q of 200, allegedly. Rumors say he was mentor to a guy who planted a bomb in a bus, a nail bomb. He was also behind many other illegal activities but that's stretching it too far.

Point is, he is a nutjob.

[Galen]

About duals with low IQ:
As an NF type I'm supposed to get help in logical matters from my dual, but with the less bright individuals I often feel like I need to help them with logical (mostly Ti-related) matters. Which I don't particularily enjoy. Even if the need for dual functions could get fullfilled with a stupid dual I don't think I'd enjoy their company very much. I love talking about philosophical, political, cultural etc topics, and if I the other person happens to be too dumb to understand the language/terms I use (which has happened) and/or the only thins he has to say are boring platitudes or even irrelevancies I'd rather not talk to them. I need intellectual and emotional intimacy just as well as physical, and low-IQ LSEs are only good for the latter.

Same. Having to explain to people the logic behind my reasoning is only interesting up to the point where the other party simply doesn't get it. If I have to keep explaining the same points over and over it just becomes a pain in the ass and I'll probably end up getting bored talking with him. It is really hard finding that balance between intellectual/emotional/physical intimacy with pretty much anybody out there, and I'm sure someone who's serious about having a relationship is looking for all three. I've only recently realized how important they all are in tandem with each other.

[Gilly]

I know or heard about a guy with the I.Q of 200, allegedly. Rumors say he was mentor to a guy who planted a bomb in a bus, a nail bomb. He was also behind many other illegal activities but that's stretching it too far.

Point is, he is a nutjob.

People who oppose the evolutionary track of society are all nutjobs?

[Red Villain]

Stupidity and socionics together is a bad combo.

The two are inseparable, as the OP brilliantly demonstrates.

[Absurd]

People who oppose the evolutionary track of society are all nutjobs?

Haha. I don't think dressing up in SS uniforms, giving the Roman salute while advocating a homosexual orgy is considered evolutionary but you're the madman on here, so you tell me.

[rat1]

People who oppose the evolutionary track of society are all nutjobs?

Opposition by blowing up a bus? How is that achieving anything? That's just spreading fear and playing right into the hands of those in charge.

[Gilly]

Opposition by blowing up a bus? How is that achieving anything? That's just spreading fear and playing right into the hands of those in charge.

Lol @ those in charge.

Obviously his methods were desperate and foolish. However I am more inclined to understand before persecuting, especially when someone's apparent motives align with my own.

[Gilly]

Haha. I don't think dressing up in SS uniforms, giving the Roman salute while advocating a homosexual orgy is considered evolutionary but you're the madman on here, so you tell me.

Well they united about 80% of a nation ideologically, rebuilt a country from rubble in a matter of a few years, and transformed it into a rapidly expanding empire that made a hell of a run at defeating almost every single other military superpower in the world at the time. So you tell me.

[Absurd]

Well they united about 80% of a nation ideologically, rebuilt a country from rubble in a matter of a few years, and transformed it into a rapidly expanding empire that made a hell of a run at defeating almost every single other military superpower in the world at the time. So you tell me.

How is that of any relevance to what I said. You're grasping at straws to win an argument you simply can't win. And no, "they" didn't defeat every single military superpower - go back to school.

[Gilly]

How is that of any relevance to what I said. You're grasping at straws to win an argument you simply can't win. And no, "they" didn't defeat every single military superpower - go back to school.

Well you were talking about the Nazis, right?

And don't give me that straw man bullshit. Read my fucking post, troll.

[Beautiful sky]

I'm going to try another test. I'm not sure about that one.

[Pookie]

I attract alot of SEE women of low(er) intelligence, and i think it's because i have to explain things to them that i'd rather not(engaging in Te). Taking liberties with my accuracy on the matter where normally i wouldn't. I believe this has intensified the typical Semi-dual discord, where one type's(or both's) hidden agenda isn't being met. So in relationships like these, they can appear from one perspective to be a Dual-like relationship, but when one's truer pattern's come out suddenly there's a huge rift because expectations aren't met and it seems out of character.

I tend to be most attracted to women of high intelligence because of my experience in these situations. Harmony is much easier, and for that reason i believe my best relations have been with other IEI's.

Also, we're genius.

[Absurd]

Well you were talking about the Nazis, right?

And don't give me that straw man bullshit. Read my fucking post, troll.

I think I was talking about I.Q. Don't give me that snowman bullshit.

[willekeurig]

[Codie]

I'm kind of sure ESE is more intelligent than LII in other ways.. besides IQ isn't a good measure of all the persons "intelligence" ...just mental quickness/ rational problem solving.. which is only a part of it. People who associate a high IQ with the be all end all of intelligence are usually nerds.

[rat1]

Lol @ those in charge.

Acts of terrorism are done in opposition to those in charge. But it's self contradictory since acts of terrorism cause the government to increase control. Terrorism actually makes the problems of the terrorists worse.

Obviously his methods were desperate and foolish. However I am more inclined to understand before persecuting, especially when someone's apparent motives align with my own.

You are understanding that he blew up a bus full of random people and achieved nothing... How about being understanding for the people on the bus? 200 IQ is his delusion of grandeur... he aligns with your motives because he's a che guevara wannabe.

Occupy Wallstreet: the 4chan revolution is a step in implementing global government. This entire revolution has been designed, with supplying V masks, channeling protests, and advertising the movement. They started the cry, and we jumped on board like a bunch of fools. Change will be given in the form of a global government. Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura exist / are allowed for this purpose: to stir you up and get you wanting to blow up buses.

All the males in our society have been programmed as fighters from birth. THey are so easily stirred into glorious V mask rebellions.

Whatever motives you think you have were given to you.

[redbaron]

I know an insanely intelligent INTj-ENTp couple.

[1981slater]

Once again...

Smart boy + dumb girl = sex
Dumb boy + smart girl = marriage
Dumb boy + dumb girl = kids
Smart boy + smart girl = romance

Since most people have a low IQ, lots of kids have been produced.

[Absurd]

besides IQ isn't a good measure of all the persons "intelligence".

Agree.

[rat1]

But flunking one has to say something.

[JWC3]

Well they united about 80% of a nation ideologically, rebuilt a country from rubble in a matter of a few years, and transformed it into a rapidly expanding empire that made a hell of a run at defeating almost every single other military superpower in the world at the time. So you tell me.

Those military super powers you're talking about really weren't that super at the time. In fact they were kinda un-super. World War II pre US involvement was more dictated by trains than it was by actual military might or strategy. So, it's a romantic thought but history, as always, is much more boring.

[mu4]

IQ is a important predictor of quite a few things.

Success/relationship success(between people of varying IQs, it's bad to be too different)/other things

Really high IQ people(>180) tend to have significant problems socializing due to lack of ability to relate and build successful relationships with a vast majority of people. This is kinda of the shit end of the stick where they are simply outsider with highly limited options.

It is also possible really high IQ levels are a result of specialized training and focus which are not related to general intelligence(I don't think there is a fully reliable general intelligence analyzer.) It's possible that general intelligence analysis tools are easily fooled by people of very high general intelligence with some high specialized intelligence that is biased by the tests. We should be very careful at how to understand these values as they are meaningful, but maybe only so meaningful.

You will likely have extreme difficulty dealing with people +- 50IQ of you, and the higher/lower your IQ the easier this is to occur, especially with a great majority of the population being within 20 pts of 100IQ.

I would not want to be with someone of significantly lower intellect than me or higher, I'm think 125-155 would be good for me as I'm ~140.

[Absurd]

IQ is a important predictor of quite a few things.

Disagree.

Really high IQ people(>180) tend to have significant problems socializing due to lack of ability to relate and build successful relationships with a vast majority of people. This is kinda of the shit end of the stick where they are simply outsider with highly limited options.

Same can be said about those below 100.

It's possible that general intelligence analysis tools are easily fooled by people of very high general intelligence with some high specialized intelligence that is biased by the tests. We should be very careful at how to understand these values as they are meaningful, but maybe only so meaningful.

I.Q measures only the genotypic component of phenotypic intelligence. It did and it still does.

[mu4]

Disagree.

You can but I think most studies confirms this. There's no real explanation of why, but the correlation is significant.

[Absurd]

You can but I think most studies confirms this. There's no real explanation of why, but the correlation is significant.

It only "predicts" that deprived of any sensory stimuli no matter how high your I.Q is, you're not going to be able to learn new things, not even a simple language. Relying on I.Q alone as you do means that you're putting faith into superior intellectual attributes completely dismissing superior physical attributes. Be my guest.

[JWC3]

It only "predicts" that deprived of any sensory stimuli no matter how high your I.Q is, you're not going to be able to learn new things, not even a simple language. Relying on I.Q alone as you do means that you're putting faith into superior intellectual attributes completely dismissing superior physical attributes. Be my guest.

For what it's worth you two really aren't on the same page right now, you're kinda not really having the same argument. Well, it seems that way anyway.

[Absurd]

For what it's worth you two really aren't on the same page right now, you're kinda not really having the same argument. Well, it seems that way anyway.

Yes, I noticed that. Must be the I.Q

[JWC3]

Yes, I noticed that. Must be the I.Q

LOL!

I hate it when this happens. My and my roommate get in fights all the time and we start shouting at each other and then like a half hour in we both realize we haven't even been talking about the same shit.

[Absurd]

I hate it when this happens. My and my roommate get in fights all the time and we start shouting at each other and then like a half hour in we both realize we haven't even been talking about the same shit.

Well yes.

If a couple gives birth to a disabled or retarded child, they will invariably want to have a second child. As a result, the proportion of our population which is of poor quality increases as does the overall birth rate.

That's still relationship realm to me.

[mu4]

It only "predicts" that deprived of any sensory stimuli no matter how high your I.Q is, you're not going to be able to learn new things, not even a simple language. Relying on I.Q alone as you do means that you're putting faith into superior intellectual attributes completely dismissing superior physical attributes. Be my guest.

I was more talking about the chances of you going to jail and getting out of high school and income levels...

I'm not dismissing physical attributes, just telling you what's been found to be out there.

If you don't want to call it a predictor, feel free, it is still a significant measurement. As a whole people with high IQ but not too high do better, and big IQ disparities in relationships tend to have big problems.

[Absurd]

I was more talking about the chances of you going to jail and getting out of high school and income levels...

I have been kicked out of highschool. Does that mean I'm low I.Q?

If you don't want to call it a predictor, feel free, it is still a significant measurement. As a whole people with high IQ but not too high do better, and big IQ disparities in relationships tend to have big problems.

I'll take your word on it and wait for your next reply.