Gamma Music

[astralsilky]

The Smiths
Kate Bush
Scott Joplin (whoah! check out his pix online - was he an INTp making ESFp music?!?)

[hr:e824ca399c]

Please also feel free to comment on what would make gamma music, gamma.

[BLauritson]

I produce music. Does that make it gamma?

Sorry. Seriously though, it tends to be of a dark and/or spiritual nature. I'm not sure whether that's just an individual thing or a quadra thing.. I'll wait and see what others suggest first.

[tempral]

The first two on the list seems more like Beta.

[Park]

All of Hip-Hop, yo!

[reyn_til_runa]

The music itself varies, but the reason for playing music remains fairly constant: it must flesh out the current mood and never distract from it. I have never in my life said I feel x, therefore I will play music to make me feel y!" As a result, I suppose the majority of my music is a little unsettling to most people. Often it's "dark." i tend to like desperate / childlike vocals, if vocals exist. I like nontraditional structure / instrumentation. Often there's a noticable absense of resolution -- notes that just remain suspended in thick air, dissonance to the point of aural meltdown/hypnosis, strange unidentifiable sounds from nature. I especially like ambient for the usual calm which is held up the tension rod of almost-present anxiety. i also am prone to repeat a song for hours if it is the "right" one. i am a music snob, they say. so i tend to keep it to myself.

[KSpin]

Is there such a thing as music being of/for a certain type/quadra?

[astralsilky]

Is there such a thing as music being of/for a certain type/quadra?

But of course!

The Beatles

ESFp - Paul McCartney
INTp - George Harrison
ENTj - John Lennon
ISFj - Ringo Starr

Need I say more? :wink:

Is this not stunning!? Will not a bunch of hooligan kids all over the globe now begin working on confirming their socionics types in order to form quadra bands to channel some kind of cosmic hoolagaboo through their sonic collaborations?!



hee hee

[astralsilky]

Often it's "dark." i tend to like desperate / childlike vocals, if vocals exist. I like nontraditional structure / instrumentation. Often there's a noticable absense of resolution -- notes that just remain suspended in thick air, dissonance to the point of aural meltdown/hypnosis, strange unidentifiable sounds from nature. I especially like ambient for the usual calm which is held up the tension rod of almost-present anxiety. i also am prone to repeat a song for hours if it is the "right" one. i am a music snob, they say. so i tend to keep it to myself.

So in other words, you like Mum ...

[Exodus]

ISFj - Ringo Starr

I think he was more likely Si-dominant. It seems like he didn't get along that well with the other Beatles, and he was the last to join the group.

[tempral]

I think John Lennon is a pretty clear ENFj, and I think the Beatles is a fairly Fe-laden band.

[discojoe]

Tchaikovsky.

[implied]

as for me, lately i've been listening to a lot of invert.


http://www.invertmusic.org/

http://cdbaby.com/cd/invert3

these guys are my favorite new thing.

[olduser]

gamma doesn't make much good music. Alpha/beta make good music.

I found a good one: Ted Leo and the Pharmacists.
try 'where have all the rudeboys gone?'

[machintruc]

Front 242 seems pretty Gamma to me. ESI.

[Jonathan]

Tchaikovsky.

Tchaikovsky seems pretty Fe to me.

For possible Gamma classical composers, try:

Borodin
Shostakovitch
Mendelssohn
Saint-Saens
Liszt
Schubert

You guess the types.

[astralsilky]

gamma doesn't make much good music. Alpha/beta make good music.

You could be right. I've had a hard time thinking up contributions for this thread.

[hr:7b1639b70b]

The cocktail parlor/lounge music genre seems most ESFp to me, for some reason - especially the modern electronica forms.

[Exodus]

Daft Punk

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=QZ2ktH-iSxg[/youtube]

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=fx5Jlap6uZY&mode=related&search=[/youtube]

[KSpin]

Linkin Park are my favourite band at the moment.

A bit old now, but I also really like this song:

Silver Chair: Anthem for the Year 2000.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTM5cDIESrY[/youtube]

[reyn_til_runa]

Often it's "dark." i tend to like desperate / childlike vocals, if vocals exist. I like nontraditional structure / instrumentation. Often there's a noticable absense of resolution -- notes that just remain suspended in thick air, dissonance to the point of aural meltdown/hypnosis, strange unidentifiable sounds from nature. I especially like ambient for the usual calm which is held up the tension rod of almost-present anxiety. i also am prone to repeat a song for hours if it is the "right" one. i am a music snob, they say. so i tend to keep it to myself.

So in other words, you like Mum ...

very good. feeling suddenly exposed.

[Ver]

Which bands, songs would you consider to by typical of Gamma? I would say Tool... Anything else that comes to your mind?

[zorsz]

Tool sux ;-)

[drd252]

Yeah, I don't like Tool.

I'd say Aphex Twin, System of a Down, and my music (click my sig, listen my tracks under "Proton")

[BLauritson]

I like heavy metal. Heavy metal must be gamma now.

[machintruc]

I like heavy metal. Heavy metal must be gamma now.

heavy metal = SLE = Beta

[Jarno]

I talk for myself and a few SEE.

House music, preferable hardstyle / hardcore

But I don't think music is type or quadra related b.t.w.

[Joy]

My music is pretty random. Many of the songs I like (or have liked) merely because they amused me.

[Jarno]

I like melodies more then songtext.

I dislike alternative rock, slow rock

[liveandletlive]

i also think music isn't type or quadra-related but i'd say hip-hop is gamma talking about hoes, ice, money, drugs, coming from the ghetto, and getting shot

[drd252]

i also think music isn't type or quadra-related but i'd say hip-hop is gamma talking about hoes, ice, money, drugs, coming from the ghetto, and getting shot

[BLauritson]

I like heavy metal. Heavy metal must be gamma now.

heavy metal = SLE = Beta

But I'm gamma. And I like heavy metal. You make baby gamma cry . Meanie.

[Quirk Satellite Div.]

Carnatatham A Sharp Minor with Two Chord Harmony

Does it matter if a piece of music is Gamma or not?

[crazedrat]

Maynard is an INFJ; and of the few gammas I've asked about tool, none of them replied they particularly liked them.. they thought it was "alright".. etc. I like a few of their songs, but they aren't my favorite band by a long shot; and some people become particularly obsessed with them.. INTjs I've known especially.
The white stripes is led by an ISFj Jack White. The beatles are all gamma (other then ringo, who doesn't really contribute). Jim Morrison of the doors is ILI. Bob dylan is an ISFj.
Our music is pitch oriented, and rhythm remains irregular and non repetitive. We don't like... beat music, or like... music which centers around the repetition of a particular riff. Easily it becomes bored. Or music in which the climax is a rhythmic perception. Instead, rhythm and pitch are one and must compliment eachother. Delta also likes pitch oriented music.. but rhythmic repetition is fine with them. I think Fi behaves this way- an affinity toward a climax of pitch.
All this according to my subjective perception

[implied]

one thing i'm curious about -- why is the beatles a gamma band? are they considered "gamma music"? i've heard this at least once from username Cone (with john lennon as ENTj, right?) i find it really odd. i'm currently of the opinion that gamma don't really make music and that gamma bands are hard to find.

i also am not entirely sure i buy maynard j keenan as an INFj, no opinion on the others.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDDnuZAL9ps[/youtube]

reposting the (disturbing!) Te video.

[Ms. Kensington]

yes john lennon seriously strikes me as INTp or ENTj.

and i've seen paul typed as ESFp.

[Logos]

i also think music isn't type or quadra-related but i'd say hip-hop is gamma talking about hoes, ice, money, drugs, coming from the ghetto, and getting shot

True enough, and I definitely agree (I do not know enough about hip-hop to comment, but I feel compelled to talk more about the first part), but the idea that some bands have an overall quality of certain quadras cannot (or rather, should not) be discounted as the members of the band who make the music do have a type, and the music may very well express some part of their essence whether that be individual or collective. And while members of a band may be of different quadras, there is usually at least one and occasionally two central figures who typically are credited for providing the creative direction and song writing of the band. So perhaps the better approach would be to identify the musicians themselves and which information elements are often predominant in their works. For example, the Beatles are typically credited as being a Gamma band. While all types may enjoy the Beatles, John Lennon may have been a LIE, George Harrison an ILI, and Paul McCartney is typed on Ganon's site as being an SEE (and honestly I am not sure how many people care about Ringo's type). And then compare the approaches and type of music produced by another contemporary band from the Golden Age of Rock: The Who. Unlike the more subdued Beatles, The Who gave far more energetic concerts, often interacted with audience, and performed rather non-serious songs. Pete Townshend was most likely an ILE; Keith Moon "the Loon" was probably some sort of Alpha SF; John Entwistle was probably also some variety of Alpha NT; and Roger Daltrey may have been the odd-man out of the Alpha-sphere. In a concert, The Who looked like they were having fun playing a game, whereas the Beatles looked like they were making art.

Just to compare the two bands, here are two different views of the bands: 1) In a music video that shows them recording the song in the studio, and 2) the bands in an actual performance. The reason why I wanted to show the studio and live aspects of the band is because generally speaking, the Beatles were more of a "studio band," while The Who was more of a "live band."

Studio Beatles - Lady Madonna
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=9vf26cRtG_w[/youtube]

Studio The Who - Who Are You
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=l_FZVD5lsAw[/youtube]

Live (on Rooftop): Beatles - Don't Let Me Down
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=-O7PnvVgQvA[/youtube]

Live (Rock 'n' Roll Circus): The Who - A Quick One While He's Away
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=OjkGHn8_Z2c[/youtube]

Both bands cannot be called uncreative (just to throw that vs. creative myth out there that Jonathan keeps harping on about), but they generally did so in quite different manners. Also they are obviously both having fun performing or in the studio, but how they conduct that fun contrast fairly sharply.

[Logos]

Paul McCartney is typed on Ganon's site as being an SEE.

Deliberate? :wink:

Unintentional typo.

What does the original poster mean by "Gamma music"? Music that brings to mind ? Lyrics that speak about it? Bands that have mostly Gamma members?

Why wouldn't it be all of the above? Though I will say that the creative head of the band, or the one who generally defines the songs themselves, generally impacts the quadraness of the music more than the other members such that it may not necessarily be that most of the members of the band are Beta, if their creative director or guide is Gamma.

[BLauritson]

i'm currently of the opinion that gamma don't really make music and that gamma bands are hard to find.

Why would gamma be any less inclined to make music than any other quadra?

[machintruc]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDDnuZAL9ps[/youtube]

reposting the (disturbing!) Te video.

this video is more than to me.

[implied]

i'm currently of the opinion that gamma don't really make music and that gamma bands are hard to find.

Why would gamma be any less inclined to make music than any other quadra?

i'm not really sure? right now, my only reasonable answer would be inclined to label music as Si Fe, which is obviously pretty narrow. i just think that there's less of a tendency for gamma to want to create music. if the beatles are actually a band composed of nothing but gamma members, then i consider that it would be difficult to find more examples like this. that is, while i personally know a few ILI musicians, i just find it odd to think of a bunch of gammas as getting together and creating music. or a bunch of gammas getting together and doing anything. maybe i'm completely off base here.

@miss kensington - i don't have any debates on lennon's typing, really. i think he seems "softer" than LIEs are portrayed here quite often. i do adore him, though.

@machintruc - i agree that there's a heavy Ni element in that video, but the focus on productivity and cash flow above all else reminded me of unhealthy versions of Te.

@logos - that live version of "don't let me down" is positively great. nice examples at any rate. i'm curious as to how representative they are of "gamma music" though.

[Socionics Is A Cult]

Didn't someone suggest Led Zeppelin as an example of a Gamma band at one time? I'm no musician, so...I do not know the exact terms but some of their songs can be long and epic-like, sometimes dream-like in a possibly Gamma type of way (e.g. Stairway to Heaven and Misty Mountain Hop - apparently inspired by Lord of the Rings), while other songs can be long and more bold and brash, like Kashmir...well, I guess Alpha songs can be bold and brash and long too - which shows you how rubbish I am at putting forward an argument I wasn't even convinced with to begin with. I do like Led Zeppelin, though they aren't personally my cup of tea (they are just really good).

(and honestly I am not sure how many people care about Ringo's type).

Ringo is usually said to be a ISFp, and made the incredibly significant contribution of writing the lyrics to Octupus's Garden! (An interesting and possibly useless piece of information is that his son Zak Starkey plays drums for The Who nowadays).

So, Alpha=The Who, Beta=Queen, Gamma=The Beatles, Delta=?

People here determined I think that Mick Jagger is a ENTj (though Keith Richards is a good example of a ISTp IMO).