Yes I've said before that women and girls are bitches no doubt. Having said that, "Sometimes being a bitch is all a woman's got to hold on to." (Delores Claiborne)

Discojoe, it sounds like it is the indirect, cunning way that women can be bitches that gets to you. The relational mind games. The manipulation and conning. The hypocrisy of passive-aggression.

By contrast, men are trained to be directly blatantly aggressive with each other and to protect women. I bet it sucks when the person you are protecting does a 180 on you.

Am I getting what you are saying at all?