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    right guy - SLE

    the constant sunglasses reminds me of sp/sx
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    Lilith Yazmin Mendoza soprano (Pichiquiada) - IEI

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    right guy - SLE
    SLE would not do that idiotic tatoo on the forehead. ILE, EIE could

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    SLE would not do that idiotic tatoo on the forehead.
    Why not?
    actually EIE might be right, something felt a little off with the SLE typing and the would explain why he's such a great front man

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    Quote Originally Posted by india View Post
    Why not?
    because they'd lesser liked to be cheap clowns
    it's N types may so openly, much and senselessly harm own bodies as underesteemate the importance of material world. F types may clown more than needed. but for TS types that would be too not decent behavior
    how you look for S types is very important. while T types would not risk by regular and open morality breaks, or to risk by emotions which they may inpire as it's not where they are sure in themselves

    > actually EIE might be right, something felt a little off with the SLE typing and the would explain why he's such a great front man

    he has some reduced facial nonverbal for EIE. it mb from drugs or meds, besides other factors
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    @Sol
    Is it a necessary trait for S types to find importance in ones own appearance? Would forgoing appearances in favour of ''cerebral'' or mind-oriented interests be interpreted as imbalance, if one is considered a Sensory type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by para View Post
    Is it a necessary trait for S types to find importance in ones own appearance?
    it's common trait of S types to try to look better. the same as common for T types to try to make reasonable decisions
    besides Jung types other reasons may influence on different behavior also. where there is no use to look better, S will do lesser efforts. when lesser money to spend on clothes, cultural norms, depressive states, etc

    > Would forgoing appearances in favour of ''cerebral'' or mind-oriented interests be interpreted as imbalance, if one is considered a Sensory type?

    depends on the situation and degree of aesthetic conflict
    that tatoo is too much wrong
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    @Sol
    Very interesting. I have always been criticised for lack of proper appearances, which i usually link to low S and F in the Jungian sense - since i had many reasons to focus on those aspects, but neglected them in favour of other, more important things to me. I still find it difficult to manage the physical world, with my looks and hygienic condition being main culprits.

    Many things may sway the end result, though. This result may point to one thing, while another points to a wholly different picture - such as you VI'ing me SLI and my results in the IR test of yours. (although poorly and hastily done on my part)

    I guess i boomerang back to the IR with the people i know, then.

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    Richard Wagner, EIE - (1813 – 1883) was a German composer, theatre director, polemicist, and conductor who is chiefly known for his operas (or, as some of his later works were later known, "music dramas").Wagner's involvement in left-wing politics abruptly ended his welcome in Dresden. Wagner was active among socialist German nationalists there, regularly receiving such guests as the conductor and radical editor August Röckel and the Russian anarchist Mikhail Bakunin.He was also influenced by the ideas of Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Ludwig Feuerbach. Widespread discontent came to a head in 1849, when the unsuccessful May Uprising in Dresden broke out, in which Wagner played a minor supporting role. Warrants were issued for the revolutionaries' arrest. Wagner had to flee, first visiting Paris and then settling in Zürich where he at first took refuge with a friend, Alexander Müller.
    the proof of dialectical - algorithmic condition can be seen in namely in his written works such as his essay on "Art and Revolution" and in letters written to his wife in mid-May, immediately after the resistance of the communal guards in Dresden had collapsed. “The Dresden revolution and its whole outcome,” he wrote, have now taught me that I am anything but a true revolutionary: the very failure of the insurrection has shown me that a truly victorious revolutionary must proceed entirely without scruple. He cannot afford to think of wife and child, hearth and home. His sole endeavor must be destruction, and had the noble Heubner been prepared to act thus at Freiburgh or Chemnitz, the revolution would have continued victorious." Martin Gregor-Dellin cites this part of the letter as proof that Wagner had not recanted his previous revolutionary beliefs. His argument is not very convincing, especially in light of the more frequently cited subsequent part of the same letter in which Wagner makes plain that "people of our sort are not destined for this terrible task. We are revolutionaries only in order to build on fresh soil; it is re-creation that attracts us, not destruction, which is why we are not the people whom fate requires. These will arise from the very lowest dregs of society; we and our hearts can have nothing in common with them. You see? Thus do I bid farewell to revolution. . . On the other hand, in late July Wagner was holed up in Zurich, hard at work on his essay “Art and Revolution.” He began his essay by quoting approvingly Carlyle’s description of the French Revolution as “the breaking out of universal mankind into Anarchy” and tells the reader, “I believed in the Revolution, and in its unrestrainable necessity, with certainly no greater immoderation than Carlyle.”
    The two passages are not simply contradictory; they are dialectical in a way that a Hegelian like Marx would have appreciated.


    As we can see, The essential distinguishing feature of the Dialectical style, is a view of the universe as a unified struggle of opposites (i.e. universal in opposition to anarchy). Within limits, the Dialectic thinking strives to find an intermediate point of dynamic equilibrium between contrasting extremes as can be seen in these two paragraphs. Dialectical cognition is born from the colliding flow and counter-flow of thought, consciousness and unconsciousness. Thinkers of this style are characterized by an express inclination towards the synthesis of opposites, the removal of contradictions, which they so keenly perceive.
    in his essay "Art and Revolution" he continues to share his views on Christianity. Privately, Wagner was burdened by debts, by an unhappy marriage, by a career that seemed stalled in the provinces, but most of all, as “Art and Revolution’’ makes clear, by a system of social values that seemed to drain the color out of life. This value system was known as Christianity, which he describes as something that
    "adjusts the ills of an honourless, useless, and sorrowful existence of mankind on earth, by the miraculous love of God; who had not—as the noble Greek supposed—created man for a happy and self-conscious life upon this earth, but had here imprisoned him in a loathsome dungeon: so as, in reward for the self-contempt that prisoned him therein, to prepare him for a posthumous state of endless comfort and inactive ecstasy. . . . therefore the poor wretch who, in the enjoyment of his natural powers, made this life his own possession must suffer after death the eternal torments of hell! Naught was required of mankind but Faith—that is to say the confession of its miserable plight, and the giving up of all spontaneous attempt to escape from out this misery; for the undeserved Grace of God was alone to set it free."
    Judging from his writing it's very easy to notice the benchmark subtlety and flexibility of the style. It can easily switch to an opposite direction, and possesses predictive ability, accompanied by an effective type of associative memory.
    Extensive pursuit of the ultimate and universal cause to every occurence stems from never-ending search for the purposive causes typical of the prognostic thinkers which can be seen in his extrapolation on the causality of God's creation of man ("God; who had not—as the noble Greek supposed—created man for a happy and self-conscious life upon this earth, but had here imprisoned him in a loathsome dungeon") in this sense, a certain teleological hermeneutics can be ascribed to this type of thinking (with tendency to catastrophize the outcome of the events ->therefore the poor wretch ... must suffer after death the eternal torments of hell). Many scholars of this type sooner or later come to faith as can be seen in Wagner's personal example as well considering he spent majority of his adult life frantically switching between Protestantism and Catholicism and utilizing that emotional plight as a base for his musical dramas.
    when talking about psychological sphere, The psyche of D-A types is most prone to transformations. From a psychological point of view, an unstable oscillating psyche is fertile ground for suggestibility.

    Occasionally D-A thinkers lose control over the parallel streams of thought fluctuating in their heads. They need only tune out their internal oscillation between freedom of choice and fatalism, and reinforce the latter. Doctors know that a small but accurately timed shock can throw the heart into a state of fibrillation. Likewise, a successfully directed signal at the right time can throw the Dialectical psyche into a chaotic state. best example of this can be seen in the following paragraph:
    "“The art of Christian Europe,” he maintains, could never proclaim itself, like that of ancient Greece, as the expression of a world attuned to harmony; for the reason that its inmost being was incurably and irreconcilably split up between the force of conscience and the instinct of life, between the ideal and reality."Wagner’s choice of the word “harmony” in this context is both predictable and revolutionary at the same time and this simultaneous multiplicity of semantics points to the parallel streams of thought.
    This contrastive interplay of emotions and intensity was successfully transmitted into his musical works as well. A certain, although rare sign of Dialectical cognition are sudden jump-cuts in emotional display that lead to states similar to a deep trance or coma, followed by sudden enlightenment or the appearance of esoteric abilities.Wagner successfully expressed this through his new concept of opera often referred to as "music drama" in which all musical, poetic and dramatic elements were to be fused together into so-called the Gesamtkunstwerk. Wagner developed a compositional style in which the importance of the orchestra is equal to that of the singers. The orchestra's dramatic role in the later operas includes the use of leitmotifs, musical phrases that can be interpreted as announcing specific characters, locales, and plot elements; their complex interweaving and evolution illuminates the progression of the drama- most well known piece that would fall into this category would be Des Ring Des Nibelungen which is a concrete expression of polarising emotionality created by sudden changes in cadence. Much of the Ring, especially from Siegfried act 3 onwards, cannot be said to be in traditional, clearly defined keys for long stretches, but rather in 'key regions', each of which flows smoothly into the following. This fluidity avoided the musical equivalent of clearly defined musical paragraphs, and assisted Wagner in building the work's huge structures. Tonal indeterminacy was heightened by the increased freedom with which he used dissonance and chromaticism to portray the expressiveness of ongoing emotions and to dramatically change the atmosphere.
    A true prophet of modernity he undoubtedly created the stage for new musical genres devoid of any adherence to traditional cultural and social norms.



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    Emma Marrone - may to be
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    Mehdi Hasan - EIE-Fe? seems fiery enough (6w5 so/sx)




    Irshad Manji - LSI-Se (1w2 so/sx)




    Pragna Patel - IEI-Ni soc-3w4




    William Browder - LSI-Ti 3w2 (same type as Dr. Phil)


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    Irina Rimes (right) - INFP
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    Sue Brunning - IEI


    Andy Fischer - INFP

    Quote Originally Posted by para View Post
    Irving Finkel - LSI?
    mb ILI
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    Christina Chong - EIE? or maybe EII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by consistencyofenergy View Post


    right guy - SLE

    the constant sunglasses reminds me of sp/sx
    This guy is so queazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post


    IEI
    ILI more-so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    ILI more-so?
    he often mentions his feelings and emotions in his video. don't think he's a logical type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    he often mentions his feelings and emotions in his video. don't think he's a logical type.

    That's just plain old Fi suggestive. All the Te types do that, contrary to popular belief. Its how they show their broken wings so you can come help them with Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    That's just plain old Fi suggestive. All the Te types do that, contrary to popular belief. Its how they show their broken wings so you can come help them with Fi.
    I dunno, if you go through his videos, he seems to be way too emotional to be an ILI.
    ILI don't have Fi as suggestive function, it's their activating function, which often manifest itself in a very strong value system.



    really love his videos

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    I dunno, if you go through his videos, he seems to be way too emotional to be an ILI.
    ILI don't have Fi as suggestive function, it's their activating function, which often manifest itself in a very strong value system.



    really love his videos
    umm, where​ are his emotions here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    umm, where​ are his emotions here?
    nowhere, I just posted it for fun. he made a couple of Q&A's on his channel, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    nowhere, I just posted it for fun. he made a couple of Q&A's on his channel, though.
    Cool.

    For my own point of view I wouldn't classify this guy as IEI.

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    well my typing here is rather intuitive, because I don't feel like spending too much time for a single thread. I have a (tested) IEI friend who looks and behaves very similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finaplex View Post
    This guy is so queazy.
    what does that mean? not a native english speaker

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    I dunno, if you go through his videos, he seems to be way too emotional to be an ILI.
    ILI don't have Fi as suggestive function, it's their activating function, which often manifest itself in a very strong value system.



    really love his videos
    i haven't seen him actually speaking but ive seen his tweets and stuff and he seems pretty Ne. maybe ILE

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    IEI (kinda looks similar to Erik Thor now that I think about it)

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    Simnett Nutrition - N, E
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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    IEI (kinda looks similar to Erik Thor now that I think about it)
    Do you type Erik Thor IEI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Do you type Erik Thor IEI?
    I don't know his type. I remember years ago that I searched for socionics and the first video that came up was "why socionics is wrong" by him. I thought the video had a lot of undeserved criticism, so I didn't really spend much time analysing him. later I stumbled upon a couple of more videos where he typed himself as IEI (if I remember correctly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    I don't know his type.
    Ok

    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    I stumbled upon a couple of more videos where he typed himself as IEI (if I remember correctly).
    I've seen a few videos from him, but it's been a few month ago.

    He use his own typing system, it's based on Jungs cognitive functions, but for me it looks more like a branched off version of MBTI. He use MBTI notations, and he type himself INFJ (---).
    So he could be IEI in Socionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Ok


    I've seen a few videos from him, but it's been a few month ago.

    He use his own typing system, it's based on Jungs cognitive functions, but for me it looks more like a branched off version of MBTI. He use MBTI notations, and he type himself INFJ (---).
    So he could be IEI in Socionics.
    I looked at his website, yeah seems like a weird system. I thought that he was most likely an IEI but I didn't spend much time with his ideas because they were rather uninteresting to me. I just thought that Derek from Simnett Nutrition has a very similar face and probably the same type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    I looked at his website, yeah seems like a weird system.
    Creating such a typing system is most likely a proof of active use of .
    Weird? Isn't that judgement likely for someone with -ego looking at a system created an other -user?

    Mannerism is similar between Simnett Nutrition and Erik Thor... but I'm not that capable of distiguishing mirror types and quasi-identicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnieW View Post
    Creating such a typing system is most likely a proof of active use of .
    Weird? Isn't that judgement likely for someone with -ego looking at a system created an other -user?

    Mannerism is similar between Simnett Nutrition and Erik Thor.
    Just listening and watching E Thor invalidates Ti ego. WSS typed him SEI. Lol just probably big no. IEI is fine hence weird system and possibly free of empiric data.
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    I can't see Erik Thor having as ego function, honestly.

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    he seemed to have made some videos that deal with IEI problems and duality. I don't think he mistyped himself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI0X5ztkqd4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsMg91nBT4c

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzwePVtVMWI

    I just felt that his views don't offer anything new to me, that's why I haven't spend much time with him. SEI seems like a weird typing, but I disagree with many WSS typings anyway.

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    they do really almost look like twins imo.

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    Vorozhischev (AppleBlog55RUS) - ISTJ


    Oleg Nasobin - ESTP


    Vyacheslav Arhipov [on left] - ESTP


    Inna Vedenisova - INFP
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    Viktoriya Romanovna - INFP


    Alisa (The Station) - INFP


    Daria Graph - INFP


    Biruza Taro - INFP
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