If we both can recognize Se & Fe Beta vibes on sight, it would go something like this:
- He is clearly an extrovert aggressor
- Elizabeth is clearly 3D Fe ego or more
- Archetype of brash conqueror and ultrafeminine doe eyed diplomat fits
Blah blah therefore they are SLE/SEE & IEI
This is based on implied understanding that stock archetypes aren't true enough to force people into boxes, but can be useful in the right case. I tend to use this among perceivers and less rigid rationals. Don't want people running with it and typing every "dreamy and poetic" chick IEI.
If they can't distinguish Beta vibes, but we're using the same foundations it would go something like this:
[Imagine Multiple Youtube Videos Here]
- Borrow or create a definition of Se vs Si. @[Insert Time] pay attention for Se words vs Si words. He talks about his desire for impact, minor league baseball career, competitiveness etc -> Se
- Describe romance styles, aggressor / victim vs caregiver / child-like; Beta vs Gamma. @[Insert Time] People talk about their mutual posessiveness, outward intensity, devotion, coarseness etc etc -> Beta aggressor
- Borrow or create a definition of T vs F. @[Insert Time], people describe him as hard to know, loner, direct, no bullshit, etc etc -> weak F
Blah blah, therefore he is SLE
This can get circular if you start having to debate/negotiate definitions. And a waste of time if you're dealing with a rational type who won't come off their "wrong" outsider archetypes of SLE/IEI or stereotype of Se/Fe etc.
Third option, is to deconstruct the person/group's definitions, argument, model, even belief system. I did a light version of this in the Trump thread. This is a last resort with most people, 2nd option with ExTx I think won't take it the wrong way.
Fourth option, come up with an alternate model or theory. I don't have the inclination, attention span, or suspension of disbelief for that.
Last edited by inaLim; 01-06-2021 at 10:30 PM.