Socionics Beta types Examples

[Dauphin]

I don't think that Raphael was an ESE, because sensing types have a poor imagination. they create simple combinations of already known elements, and don't create something new like raphael did. I think that he was an IEI because Ni is associated with artistic and creative abilities. I want to quote Victor Gulenko's description of the state T (Time or Ni) from his new book:

"in psychological terms, the T-state is experienced as victimization (sacrifice). This state is the most religiously colored, as it is imbued with the desire to be liberated from all earthly, carnal, binding spirits. In the T-state, a person is drawn to the mysterious, otherwordly, transcendental. In it's immorderate manifestation, it leads to hallucinations and the emergence of various mystical visions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_(Raphael)

I think it applies very well to Raphaels paintings. It's difficult to be completely sure of his type, since I can barely find any information on his character, but I have been interested in Ni artists all my life, and he strikes me as a very intuitive person whose paintings were rich with symbolism, and who was immersed in his imagination and very idealistic (that's the reason why I mentioned that it's an intuitive guess of mine, but it's a strong guess, that's why I feel confident to make a typing here). The one thing I am extremly sure of is that he was an ethical type.

(I had to edit this message 5 times because the wikipedia link didn't work for some reason. it took 1 minute each time for the edit page to load, this website is ridiculous.)

Intuitive types do not have exclusive rights to artistic genius. Raphael was nothing like the modern individualistic artist (which was practically invented by Michelangelo, Raphael's rival), he held himself strictly to Renaissance standards of propriety and acted more as an unnaturally talented artisan. His workshop was large, even for the time, as he had as much as 50 assistants. And again, while Raphael was often original and imaginative in his paintings, he ultimately values excellence in design and execution over content.

[Still Alive]

Intuitive types do not have exclusive rights to artistic genius. Raphael was nothing like the modern individualistic artist (which was practically invented by Michelangelo, Raphael's rival), he held himself strictly to Renaissance standards of propriety and acted more as an unnaturally talented artisan. His workshop was large, even for the time, as he had as much as 50 assistants. And again, while Raphael was often original and imaginative in his paintings, he ultimately values excellence in design and execution over content.

I think that you're making a lot of good points. I will keep my typing as an intuitive impression until I find more information, but I removed him from my gallery, thanks! what's your opinion on Michelangelo's type?

Karlheinz Stockhausen - IEI

[Dauphin]

I think that you're making a lot of good points. I will keep my typing as an intuitive impression until I find more information, but I removed him from my gallery, thanks! what's your opinion on Michelangelo's type?

Karlheinz Stockhausen - IEI

I've typed Michelangelo as SLE. He was dynamic (in the non-Reinin sense) and constantly active; but blunt, short-tempered, and very weak in Fi. His love of Dante and Neoplatonist philosophy might suggest he was Ni-creative but I would need more evidence to be confident in that.

My initial view of Stockhausen is that he's ILE, but that's just a hunch so far.

[Still Alive]

I've typed Michelangelo as SLE. He was dynamic (in the non-Reinin sense) and constantly active; but blunt, short-tempered, and very weak in Fi. His love of Dante and Neoplatonist philosophy might suggest he was Ni-creative but I would need more evidence to be confident in that.

My initial view of Stockhausen is that he's ILE, but that's just a hunch so far.

I don't think that he was a logical type. he was so deeply immersed in his intuition that he thought he was an extraterrestrial being from a planet orbiting the star Sirius. I think he was a geniuis and a visionary, but logical types always orient themselves at the laws of nature, so it's hard for me to believe that he could be anthing but an ethical type. Time has always played a major part in his work. I think it's very clear that he was a heavy Ni user.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ico_WVMQIS4