Socionics Beta types Examples

[Aylen]

Even when he talks about evolution and things being apart of human nature throughout time?

Yes, SLE use Ti as a contact function. He is not using Ni. Socionics has Ni as "intuition of time" but it is much more than that. Even though he is talking about evolution and human nature he is just repeating things he has learned and accepted as truth. He is not using imagination or intuition of time. He is using Ti backed by Te to further his argument. His base function is underlying it all. I have seen Ti confused for Ni a lot on this forum.

2. Introverted logic

SLEs are inquisitive people. They are generally clear, consistent and systematic in their actions. They value competency and have an appreciation for method, viewing these things as vehicles through which strength, power and influence are demonstrated, values that SLEs consider important.

While SLEs see logical systems and structured views as necessary in life, they will often view said systems and views as changeable or expendable. Their use of Ti is flexible. They tend to gather - either legitimately or illegitimately - and retain information which they deem useful in attaining their goals.

SLEs come to their own conclusions about the world, although they tend towards simple generalizations. Because the SLE's ideas are influenced by their own agenda, they can be more subjective than they claim to be; they are skilled at using objective truths to help them achieve their goals. It can be very difficult to argue with an SLE; rarely will they submit to another's logic, since they believe that their own logic is so well developed. SLEs will often refuse to take others' advice - even to their own detriment - as they can have difficulty seeing viewpoints that differ from their own (though this may also be a matter of pride). They also have the tendency to compare others' plans to their own, and because of their confidence, will often consider them inferior or offer critique from their own point of view.


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3. Extroverted intuition

SLEs are largely unaware of others' hidden potential and abilities, since they size up people based on visible qualities and behavior. As a result, their judgments of people may appear simplistic or one-dimensional, and they may seriously misjudge or underestimate the capabilities of others, leading to surprises and sometimes rude awakenings. Likewise, SLEs may fail to recognize long-term opportunities in the world around them as they pursue the more readily visible and immediately available routes to success.

To make up for their weakness in assessment of possibilities, SLEs may hesitate to act, believing that they are increasing the amount of opportunities they will have. Instead, they end up using none, thus failing to attain the results they were aiming for. In this sense, the SLE would have been much better off following his instincts in the first place. Many SLEs are aware of this, and simply prefer not to search for hidden opportunities and avoid this weakness altogether.

When it comes to future planning, SLEs speak with confidence and apparent optimism, although in actuality, they rarely feel confident in positive outcomes and further possibilities. They may also consider advanced planning unnecessary for trivial circumstances, as they prefer to act impulsively.

Despite their highly observant nature, SLEs are careful to avoid appearing too eager for knowledge. They become suspicious when others are overly curious about them and ask too many searching questions. SLEs are more comfortable asking and responding to specific questions that are relevant to the context rather than general ones whose purpose is unknown. When the information being exchanged is too broad and general, SLEs may wonder what the point is or whether someone is planning to use that information to take advantage of them. Concerns about revealing too much information about themselves and their activities sometimes makes SLEs appear paranoid and secretive.

8. Extroverted logic

SLEs have the ability to pick out information which will help them achieve a goal; they will often refer to well-known facts, statistics and historical examples to back up their claims. Often their own viewpoint will remain standing in the face of a majority opinion, as they know how to formulate a strong argument. SLEs will often question the authenticity or reliability of informational sources, preferring not to use those which are doubtful or which have been proven wrong in the past. They enjoy learning about a wide variety of things, and are motivated by the prospect of rewards and status; they like to prove their authority and skills e.g. through a large amount of academic awards or extra curricular certificates.

Contact functions 2 and 3 are in the mental ring. The creative function produces new information out of what is accepted by the base function. This is literally how we uniquely 'make contact' with the world. This has potential to grow stronger as a conscious element since it's the Ego's connection to reality. In the role function, however, information from the environment is weakly accepted situationally, and is subdued since it opposes the base function's approach. Although it cannot truly grow in strength, where it does grow is within the individual's subjective understanding of that aspect of reality.

[Lord Pixel]

Yes, SLE use Ti as a contact function. He is not using Ni. Socionics has Ni as "intuition of time" but it is much more than that. Even though he is talking about evolution and human nature he is just repeating things he has learned and accepted as truth. He is not using imagination or intuition of time. He is using Ti backed by Te to further his argument. His base function is underlying it all. I have seen Ti confused for Ni a lot on this forum.

I still don't know how he's not using an Ni perspective. Searching through time and seeing some single stream of some foundational pattern that has existed transcendent of time. He may be arguing through Te/Ti/Se, but what he is arguing is an Ni perspective at large. Which is some singular reductive evolutionary theme existing in humans throughout time. How is that not an Ni perspective? I think it is.

[Aylen]

I still don't know how he's not using an Ni perspective. Searching through time and seeing some single stream of some foundational pattern that has existed transcendent of time. He may be arguing through Te/Ti/Se, but what he is arguing is an Ni perspective at large. Which is some singular reductive evolutionary theme existing in humans throughout time. How is that not an Ni perspective? I think it is.

How is a single reductive evolutionary theme throughout time the Ni perspective? Theoretically speaking Ni would be able to see how things change over time and there will be new theories on evolutionary behavior. The whole conversation between them is ridiculous to me btw. It is cringe-worthy. Joe pretty much stands his ground since he most likely sees himself as an alpha male. The other guy is arguing that alpha/beta males do not exist in humans and it is pretty obvious he knows he would not be considered an alpha male by anyone anyway. His guest never really got to the point of anything he was saying because he was defending himself.

Introverted intuition is an introverted, irrational, and dynamic information element. It is also called Ni, T, temporal intuition, or white intuition. Ni is generally associated with the ability to recognize the unfolding of processes over time (how one event leads to another), have visions of the past and future, develop mental imagery, and see intangible hints of relationships between processes or objects. Types that value Ni always like to have in mind a specific plan for how their life will develop in the future. Thus they have little time for the concept of "living for the moment" or "making the best of the present". They generally engage in pure leisure activities only for short periods of time, and even then their leisure activities generally involve a psychologically demanding or competitive aspect.

Ni as Leading Function

As a base function, Ni generally manifests itself through a lack of direct attention to the world around oneself, and a sense of detachment or freedom from worldly affairs. This can lead to a highly developed imagination and very unique mental world, but it can also result in a great deal of laziness and apparent inactivity. Because the individual gets his or her primary information about the world through imagination, a person with leading Ni may be able to thrive in situations where data are scarce, or where he or she lacks the usual prerequisite experience. However, this may also become a disadvantage if the person ignores real data about the world too much. The ability to transcend the axis of time and understand the cause and effect relationships that occur is also a feature, sometimes resulting in the ability to accurately predict general future trends and outcomes of certain events.

Ni as Suggestive Function

The individual is attracted to people who are confident in their ability to evaluate where present trends are leading and to choose the opportune moment to initiate action, or to refrain from it. The individual is impulsive but at the same time desiring of not going too far in his impulsiveness and unsure of his own ability in this area, so people who are confident on how far to go and when to stop are admired and their company is desired. The individual also longs for a sense of greater meaning in his life beyond the immediately physical and enjoys the company of people who can show him the light in that area.

[Lord Pixel]

How is a single reductive evolutionary theme throughout time the Ni perspective? Theoretically speaking Ni would be able to see how things change over time and there will be new theories on evolutionary behavior. The whole conversation between them is ridiculous to me btw. It is cringe-worthy. Joe pretty much stands his ground since he most likely sees himself as an alpha male. The other guy is arguing that alpha/beta males do not exist in humans and it is pretty obvious he knows he would not be considered an alpha male by anyone anyway. His guest never really got to the point of anything he was saying because he was defending himself.

I don't think he's using Ni as a base function he probably has an immature view of it, but he's speaking about alpha and beta as some deep rooted evolutionary trait we have as humans, that we have had throughout time, like he is looking underneath what we see today and is trying to convince Adam of the source of what we call alpha/beta as he even says let's look past the words, he searches for the underlying source of it all, saying women like athletic/aggressive men more than introverted/passive men. To me that is an Ni perspective, that looking behind the veil. While Adam uses Ne to constantly dodge and make room for "exceptions" because he sees so many other possible reasons, like women liking Dad Bod. Dad Bod is an Ne thing.

I agree with the rest of what you say and felt the same cringe. Adam's a pussy, Joe
s a badass, Adam says badasses don't exist, Joe says they do (cuz he is one) Adam says they don't and men can be pussy's 2 and they aren't necessarily a pussy for it blah blah blah cringe.