Socionics Beta types Examples

[karas]

Khabib Nurmagomedov ESTp

[Still Alive]

hmm I think Conor is an SLE as well. what makes you lean towards EIE? I think that Se in your Ego is pretty much necessary for UFC.

[inaLim]

Khabib is SLE

Conor McGregor is a feeler.

[Still Alive]

Khabib is SLE

Conor McGregor is a feeler.

hmm I get your point. from the video you could get the impression that he uses Ni a lot, but I think that his visualisations are rather concrete, focused on reality and achieving his goals. @1:48 he mentions that talent doesn't exist, it's all hard work, indicating to me that he has a very low focus on Ne. the philosophy he has is extremly focused on Se, if you put in the work, you can achieve everything; I always knew that I was better than anyone else".

[Still Alive]

Khabib is SLE

Conor McGregor is a feeler

after watching more interviews and fights I agree with you. EIE makes much more sense for Conor. what do you think of Tony Ferguson? I would type him as SEE based on what I've seen so far.

[inaLim]

after watching more interviews and fights I agree with you. EIE makes much more sense for Conor. what do you think of Tony Ferguson? I would type him as SEE based on what I've seen so far.

I'm not very familiar with his personality, but I'll check. It may take some time.

I noticed this though

Miles Davis - IEI

I'm way more familiar with Miles. He is Se valuing, but he is way too locked-in, rough, and undiplomatic to be IEI. He sidesteps or gives literal answers to her questions about his feelings, his inner thoughts, the future, and his legacy. I don't hear any Fi, and he doesn't show much rationality or tie to system (despite being classically trained). I agree that he seems Beta irrational, but I would go with SLE. I was surprised myself, I figured he would be xSI. I could be wrong, but I do not think he is intuitive or a feeler. If not SLE, then LSI.

I'm not much for V.I. but you can tell Se ego from the sharpness to his gaze, reactions, and physical gestures. By that I mean he cuts through the room like a knife.




Edit 1: Tony Ferguson definitely comes off as having the weird sort of "authenticity" I tend to associate with Fi. SEE is not a bad typing for him.

Edit 2: Miles is so stiff, I want to say LSI. But I never get the impression LSI thought process is this close to mine (SLE-Ti). I guess he could be LSI-Se Subtype?

[kingslayer]

after watching more interviews and fights I agree with you. EIE makes much more sense for Conor. what do you think of Tony Ferguson? I would type him as SEE based on what I've seen so far.

Khabib is LSI. Connors dual. Totally agree Conor is EIE. Im pretty sure Tony is LIE

[Averroes]

Brendan Lukens - Fe-EIE

[Still Alive]

Sorelle Amore - EIE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_MKo1yG2OQ

[The Reality Denialist]

I suspect LSI for him

[karas]

I suspect LSI for him

nah SLI

Jayztwocents SLI (Fe Polr.. IRL -grumpyCat/shrek )
https://www.youtube.com/user/Jayztwocents

[silke]

Phil Jamesson - EIE 9w1 so/sx



Jonathan Gravenor - EIE 3w4 sp/sx

[Still Alive]

Raphael - IEI



https://www.jstor.org/stable/23207816?seq=1

I obviously don't have any proof that he really was an IEI but from all the information I've gathered, my intuition heavily leans towards IEI for him.

[Dauphin]

Raphael - IEI



https://www.jstor.org/stable/23207816?seq=1

I obviously don't have any proof that he really was an IEI but from all the information I've gathered, my intuition heavily leans towards IEI for him.

I don't see any strong evidence for Raphael valuing Ni, much less being IEI. To me it'd be more sensible to consider him an ESE. He was known for being a rather sociable and charming person, without Michelangelo's arrogance and with greater desire for material success. Raphael's genius is not of the far-reaching Ni sort, but of the quiet Si sort that values excellence in execution rather than imagination or daring.

[Still Alive]

I don't see any strong evidence for Raphael valuing Ni, much less being IEI. To me it'd be more sensible to consider him an ESE. He was known for being a rather sociable and charming person, without Michelangelo's arrogance and with greater desire for material success. Raphael's genius is not of the far-reaching Ni sort, but of the quiet Si sort that values excellence in execution rather than imagination or daring.

I don't think that Raphael was an ESE, because sensing types have a poor imagination. they create simple combinations of already known elements, and don't create something new like raphael did. I think that he was an IEI because Ni is associated with artistic and creative abilities. I want to quote Victor Gulenko's description of the state T (Time or Ni) from his new book:

"in psychological terms, the T-state is experienced as victimization (sacrifice). This state is the most religiously colored, as it is imbued with the desire to be liberated from all earthly, carnal, binding spirits. In the T-state, a person is drawn to the mysterious, otherwordly, transcendental. In it's immorderate manifestation, it leads to hallucinations and the emergence of various mystical visions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_(Raphael)

I think it applies very well to Raphaels paintings. It's difficult to be completely sure of his type, since I can barely find any information on his character, but I have been interested in Ni artists all my life, and he strikes me as a very intuitive person whose paintings were rich with symbolism, and who was immersed in his imagination and very idealistic (that's the reason why I mentioned that it's an intuitive guess of mine, but it's a strong guess, that's why I feel confident to make a typing here). The one thing I am extremly sure of is that he was an ethical type.

(I had to edit this message 5 times because the wikipedia link didn't work for some reason. it took 1 minute each time for the edit page to load, this website is ridiculous.)

[Dauphin]

I don't think that Raphael was an ESE, because sensing types have a poor imagination. they create simple combinations of already known elements, and don't create something new like raphael did. I think that he was an IEI because Ni is associated with artistic and creative abilities. I want to quote Victor Gulenko's description of the state T (Time or Ni) from his new book:

"in psychological terms, the T-state is experienced as victimization (sacrifice). This state is the most religiously colored, as it is imbued with the desire to be liberated from all earthly, carnal, binding spirits. In the T-state, a person is drawn to the mysterious, otherwordly, transcendental. In it's immorderate manifestation, it leads to hallucinations and the emergence of various mystical visions."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_(Raphael)

I think it applies very well to Raphaels paintings. It's difficult to be completely sure of his type, since I can barely find any information on his character, but I have been interested in Ni artists all my life, and he strikes me as a very intuitive person whose paintings were rich with symbolism, and who was immersed in his imagination and very idealistic (that's the reason why I mentioned that it's an intuitive guess of mine, but it's a strong guess, that's why I feel confident to make a typing here). The one thing I am extremly sure of is that he was an ethical type.

(I had to edit this message 5 times because the wikipedia link didn't work for some reason. it took 1 minute each time for the edit page to load, this website is ridiculous.)

Intuitive types do not have exclusive rights to artistic genius. Raphael was nothing like the modern individualistic artist (which was practically invented by Michelangelo, Raphael's rival), he held himself strictly to Renaissance standards of propriety and acted more as an unnaturally talented artisan. His workshop was large, even for the time, as he had as much as 50 assistants. And again, while Raphael was often original and imaginative in his paintings, he ultimately values excellence in design and execution over content.

[Still Alive]

Intuitive types do not have exclusive rights to artistic genius. Raphael was nothing like the modern individualistic artist (which was practically invented by Michelangelo, Raphael's rival), he held himself strictly to Renaissance standards of propriety and acted more as an unnaturally talented artisan. His workshop was large, even for the time, as he had as much as 50 assistants. And again, while Raphael was often original and imaginative in his paintings, he ultimately values excellence in design and execution over content.

I think that you're making a lot of good points. I will keep my typing as an intuitive impression until I find more information, but I removed him from my gallery, thanks! what's your opinion on Michelangelo's type?

Karlheinz Stockhausen - IEI

[Averroes]

LSI

[Averroes]

IEI

[The Reality Denialist]

LSI creative - Applied Science



LSI creative - inventor who with enthusiasm will lead you into their subject. Usually combines various tools and techniques into a mechanism to get a desired result. This dude is like a poster boy.
@squark

[karas]

Louis Rossmann LSI

The intro and ending lol

[Still Alive]

Jonny Greenwood - IEI

[gone]

Jonny Greenwood - IEI

Such a soft-spoken and shy man

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

this guy is my fave utuber

[Still Alive]

Jason Pierce - IEI

[silke]

Russian-speaking IEI-Ni

[FreelancePoliceman]

LSI -- John B. McLemore:

He's a fascinating guy. The podcast S-Town (or Shittown, as it's referred to in the podcast itself), is largely about his life. Just listening to the podcast, I was unsure whether he was LSI or LII, but his pictures make it clearer.

I might make a thread about the podcast. It's worth listening to, and only seven episodes long. It's made by Brian Reed, and produced by the same people who did Serial and This American Life (which are/were aired on NPR and PRI, I think). The premise is that John e-mails the staff of This American Life asking them to investigate a murder he believe has been covered up in his small, rural Alabama hometown of Woodstock -- or, as he calls it, "shittown". As a result of his persistence, Brian Reed's sent down to investigate. The show's, I guess, in true crime genre, and consists largely of recordings from people in Woodstock.

It's difficult to talk it further without giving away large spoilers, but it's really technically excellent, and I recommend that people listen to it, at the very least so that I can make a thread about it and have people give their thoughts.

Also, at the risk of further derailing the thread, it was a stroke of genius to make the ending theme A Rose for Emily.

[karas]

Hacksmith ENFj , King of random LSI

[Still Alive]

Julia Holter - IEI

[Still Alive]

Alice Coltrane - IEI



Pharoah Sanders - IEI

[Dauphin]

Chris Eubank, Sr.: EIE

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

edit: Lakis Gavalas EIE <3 media-resurfaced rather tastefully after having been to prison for tax-related issues

[lynn]

Tyler Hoechlin - SLE-Ti sp/sx

[Dauphin]

Tyler Hoechlin - SLE-Ti sp/sx

Definitely SEE

[timber]

Definitely SEE

Until more evidence towards Se+Fi, I would even go with ESE first.

Def not SLE, although I could see how you would think it. There is something predatory about his eyes.

[khcs]

ENFJ - Hamlet

[Averroes]

SLE

[Averroes]

Fe-IEI



he ends up dating the SLE above on the show they’re on

[karas]

Dustin Kensrue IEI-Ni

[Ben Vaserlan]

Model G of EIE. https://www.scribd.com/document/4461...text-in-purple