I already was presuming Canada, no need to be rude my bro. Just never heard of "The 49" before and wanted to make sure.Originally Posted by Finaplex
I already was presuming Canada, no need to be rude my bro. Just never heard of "The 49" before and wanted to make sure.
With the sound off, she reminds me reasonably well of a good female friend of mine whom I type SLE-Se. Not as smooth. Said friend (and other SLE close ones) would probably be opposed to clothes in weird colors and patterns. Deltas would not.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
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This man seems EIE, from what i can tell. What do you think?
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I do not perceive him as emotionally aggressive to suppose base Fe
LSI
I disagree. He appears to be a Pi-Je combo.
Any specific type suggestions? I was also considering SLI.
Paul Walker EIE
After just watching I Am Paul Walker, he is probably a EIE.
Camilla Lau - SLE?
Camilla Lau - N
Thank you, Sol. Do you see more logic or ethic?
mb ENFP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmj-azFbpkA
Shonda Rhimes - ENFj . at 12:43 explaining Ti-DS
or not
Vanessa Van Edwards - EIE-Fe so/sx
Vanessa Van Edwards - mb ESE
I'm seeing a Fe base type, but this chick is very robotic-like.
Alright so people want to see what I think is a strong EIE-Fe type, so here you go.
I've been hesitating to post this woman's story because I don't want to diminish what her testament says about her experience, but I found these longer videos particularly show in nice example very palpable and strong Fe. Her emotions are genuinely linked to her experiences as she recalls her story in great detail. She pulls from within and produces a strong Fe effect. I think over all you are seeing some Fe+Ni, lots of key words in there as well "vision" ect. I think you also get a look into some of the strengths and weaknesses of this sociotype through her own words. She says she was aware of what was happening and is able to break it down into parts and pieces (Ni) and says that she had an advantage over others there with the effects (again strong Ni).
You can see extroversion in her story as well and the way she describes people reacting to her in literal sense (Fe).
Watch the videos, or don't but don't comment unless you watch some of it. You can take this as my reference point for EIEs as this is how I see healthy balanced ones with good upbringing and little psychological trauma. Nice to see sometimes.
She apparently has some mild autism going, saying she's had trouble recognizing facial expressions by the end of this video. Sort of interesting how people can put on such a performance without really feeling others.
gmm I'd actually consider this girl to be an SEE and on the Fi/Te spectrum generally speaking. She's like the exact replica of my new SEE hair stylist, whom I admit I picked on basis of a promise of her being an SEE and visiting her yesterday just confirmed her type. This girl does have something in common with the woman above (and my new stylist) in that they share the same enneagram type: 9w8.
Something to consider eh?
Still, strong Fe here. I got a blast of what she wanted me to feel, especially around the 20 min mark of second video. Some low Ti moments as well when she tries to explain using Computer analogies and ends up tongue tied.
I also see something Aristocratic quadra about her, as in the archetype has evolved past Alpha, yet still remains in a Merry group.
Funny how I picked up on that... : o
"put on a performance without really feeling others"... sooo Fe.
That's how I see ESE for the most part. Totally transparent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_orgasm
in case she has T type, she'd was expected to have problems with understanding feelings in others and herself. as she mb trained to act for public, so her behavior may look closer to F types on initial and surface impressions
Mark Bowden - another EIE (3w4 sx/so) - that assertive triad 3-ness is really showing around 15 min
I'm going further and saying this is also ; extroversion generally
; Fe - "I choose my behaviours authentically" - he did this the entire lecture on purpose. "Perform like you are listening" "act like anything else, but indifferent" interesting a focus on the conflict scenario with conflictor.
; A kind of Se
; both ethics ignoring - we all know the angry types - AND ethics manipulating
; energy manifestation. Building energy up and activating the environment with it. Purposeful in this guys case. I should say consciously purposeful.
A take on LSI by Eleanor Berdutina, a popular Russian coacher, HR consultant, socionic enthusiast and researcher, influenced by Aušra Augustinavičiūtė and Gregory Reinin.
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Isabella I of Castille and Ferdinand II of Aragon, catholic monarchs responsible for unification of Spain in hindsight and also leading figures of Reconquista, her LSI and him EIE.
Ferdinand -
"John II was careful about Ferdinand’s education and took personal charge of it, making sure that Ferdinand learned as much as possible from experience. He also provided him with teachers who taught him humanistic attitudes and wrote him treatises on the art of government. Ferdinand had no apparent bent for formal studies, but he was a patron of the arts and a devotee of vocal and instrumental music. Ferdinand had an imposing personality but was never very genial. From his father he acquired sagacity, integrity, courage, and a calculated reserve; from his mother, an impulsive emotionality, which he generally repressed. Under the responsibility of kingship he had to conceal his stronger passions and adopt a cold, impenetrable mask .Many considered Ferdinand the saviour of his kingdoms, a bringer of unity. Others despised him for having oppressed them. Machiavelli attributed to him the objectionable qualities of the Renaissance prince."
Isabella -
"Her marriage to Ferdinand of Aragon became the basis for the political unification of Spain under their grandson,Charles V. After a struggle to claim her right to the throne, she reorganized the governmental system, brought the crime rate to the lowest it had been in years, and unburdened the kingdom of the enormous debt her brother had left behind. Her reforms and those she made with her husband had an influence that extended well beyond the borders of their united kingdoms.Isabella maintained an austere, temperate lifestyle, and her religious spirit influenced her the most in life.Isabella was a gracious woman and she united the courage of a heroine and diplomacy of a statesman and a legislator. she was always present at the transaction of state affairs and her name was placed beside that of her husband in public ordinances.while often accused of severity, pride, and unbounded ambition, these very traits oftentimes promoted the welfare of the kingdom, as well as developed her virtues and talents. a spirit like hers was necessary to humble the haughtiness of the nobles without exciting their hostility and to restrain the vices of her subjects. Of her, contemporaries said:
- Hernando de Pulgar: "She was very inclined to justice, so much so that she was reputed to follow more the path of rigor than that of mercy, and did so to remedy the great corruption of crimes that she found in the kingdom when she succeeded to the throne."
- Lucio Marineo Siculo: "[The royal knight Alvaro Yáñez de Lugo] was condemned to be beheaded, although he offered forty thousand ducados for the war against the Moors to the court so that these monies spare his life. This matter was discussed with the queen, and there were some who told her to pardon him, since these funds for the war were better than the death of that man, and her highness should take them. But the queen, preferring justice to cash, very prudently refused them; and although she could have confiscated all his goods, which were many, she did not take any of them to avoid any note of greed, or that it be thought that she had not wished to pardon him in order to have his goods; instead, she gave them all to the children of the aforesaid knight."
- Ferdinand, in his testament, declared that "she was exemplary in all acts of virtue and of fear of God."
"Maxim and Hamlet – a dyad of WARRIORS of the hierarchical social system that they themselves strive to build, cohesively and effectively, and likewise themselves fill it with sophisticated high-quality spiritual and intellectual content, themselves protect and develop it, advocate and defend its existence and well-being within the environment that surrounds this system. They expand it, strengthen and improve its stability and durability, protect it against the attacks of its "external and internal enemies", and pass it on from hand to hand to most reliable and prepared for the succession representatives – the best of future generations – as the most precious treasure, the most valued sacred relic."
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Katherina (Kate) Minola (EIE) – the "shrew" of the title and Petruchio (LSI), protagonists of the Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew.
Katherina - charming, verbose, intelligent, hot-tempered, and shrewish. Katherina's a girl who's just as capable of giving what she gets: just as the men around her objectify her, she insults and degrades them. However, her wit and anger scare both suitors and society, leading them to try to “fix” her. But while Katherina may be fundamentally unhappy, she’s unwilling to compromise her personality for the sake of others. Yet her angry, often violent, methods of expressing her frustrations do little to change anyone's mind.
Petruchio - selfish and cunning, but completely honest about it. Petruchio is materialistic, snobbish, collected and domineering.
central theme of the comedy is psychological interplay between Kate and Petruchio, more specifically, subordination and "educational therapy" often adopted by "declatim" LSI in the process of dualization with an EIE. The motif of such domestication is broadcasted in the play’s title by the word “taming.” A great part of the action consists of Petruchio’s attempts to cure Katherine of her antisocial hostility. Katherine is thus frequently referred to as a wild animal that must be domesticated. Petruchio considers himself, and the other men consider him, to be a tamer who must train his wife, and most of the men secretly suspect at first that her wild nature will prove too much for him. After the wedding, Petruchio and Katherine’s relationship becomes increasingly defined by the rhetoric of domestication. Petruchio speaks of training her like a “falcon” and plans to “kill a wife with kindness.” Hortensio even conceives of Petruchio’s house as a place where other men may learn how to domesticate women, calling it a “taming-school. the play portrays dispensation of the "dark energy" frequently present in characters of the EIE sociotype.
"Not waiting for permission from the outside, Hamlet allows himself to "take his emotions for a walk", as dogs who have been sitting on a chain far too long, and releases them on whoever happened to be at hand. For this he provokes a scandal, using any opportunity to "pose the question or issue point-blank". And it's not that there are many "questions" and "issues", but that there is a lot of "dark energy" ("condensed emotions") that have accumulated, which are necessary to express somehow, to spill out somewhere, to discharge, because "burning them through" by oneself is all very difficult. It's not pleasant to see how unrealized emotions – their value, unrealized strength, hope, energy, and aspirations – burn pointlessly, as "dry foliage". Thus the EIE "lights up" as if on gunpowder whenever he is not allowed (for whichever reasons) to successfully and creatively to realize his emotional and energy potential."
to close the psychological distance and to break the vicious condensation of this destructive energy, a static declatim LSI, applies the rigorous "carrot and stick" method, the aforementioned educational "therapy" with much success rendering her balanced and transformed at the end of the play. Katherina is still powerful and sharp but grounded and relieved of negative emotions at the end of the play, left in a state out of which, a true "mentor" can emerge to surface.
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So much this.
Wow, geat posts, fresh and insightful, I really enjoyed reading them.
One thing in particular caught my attention: "(...) the play portrays dispensation of the "dark energy" frequently present in characters of the EIE sociotype (...)"
Later you mentioned it again by calling it condensed emotions. I feel I know what you mean, but I'm really interested in how does it manifest in EIEs in your opinion, and mostly, what makes it dark?
EIE's program fxn is +Fe meaning there's a tendency for this type to accumulate emotions over a period of time. one could argue that his +Fe prog fxn works on the principle of the steam engine. The production of steam begins with the fire ( EIEs get hooked on a certain feeling, episode from like, an impression which sparks/ignites their interest and consequent reaction). Fire which rests on grates at the bottom of the firebox. Hot gases rise from the fire-bed (Hamlet begins to mull over certain topic, a single thought trying to reach the conclusion) to the upper portion of the firebox, or combustion chamber. here Hamlet elusively has two options - to disregard the notion of whatever has been preoccupying his psyche (which is hardly possible considering he needs to verbalize and emote whatever he's been thinking about) thus gathering all the built up emotions and "saving it for later" increasing the pressure in his mental homeostasis or to discharge them right away. the longer the process of mulling over is and the impression the stronger the reaction. continuing with the analogy, the gases move from the firebox forward through an array of pipes called flues, or tubes, in the main part of the boiler, which is filled with water. (application of the Dialectic - algorithmic method which includes instability and uncertainty. Algorithmic thinkers suffer from difficulty in making choices and embracing unambiguous decisions. This thinking is more comparable to a symphony of flowing interwoven imagery, rather than a mechanism of clearly established instruction sets. Another problem is increased criticality, which can be so high that it incurs self-destruction, plunging them into danger of total detachment from reality, and leading to mental disorders, especially in cases of hereditary predisposition.)Anyway, heat from the gases in the flues brings the water to a boil, making steam. The steam rises to the top of the boiler and is collected in the dome, where it eventually gets expulsed with a significant force. (this is the critical moment where the "dark emotions" explode out).
this is one reason why such energy is considered dark, another is Hamlet's sheer desire to shock and captivate his audience. they love to play the role of infernal beings mostly because they do get annoyed and almost insulted if they realize that others might found them to be rather benign. EIEs strive for captivation and lasting impression (EIE being right extrovert - energy generator + Right ethical - most feminine type where right process and ethical disposition are united within him giving birth to a natural entertainer). Hamlets need to periodically have these collective dispensations of emotions mainly because regulation of those oh their own is impossible and this is where the LSI comes into play.
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Your descriptions are really neat and useful, thank you.
SLE ILE discussion.
SLE Joe tries to Ni pin down ILE Adam with a single idea. Adam tries to escape with Ne and implying the answer to Joe's pinning questions is "It depends." making room for exceptions and variety.
Not disputing their types but why do you think a SLE would be trying to use his dual seeking function to pin someone down and not his base?
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I think he's using both. He's saying this is the reality we see in life which I think is Se, and he's saying it has existed all through time this way which is Ni.
But the Ni is more aggressive because Adam is actively avoiding/ignoring it and Joe is trying to get him to admit it/see it. Joe is saying "How can you ignore Ni?"
He is not using Ni arguments here at all. He is using Se,Ti and some Te.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Even when he talks about evolution and things being apart of human nature throughout time?
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Bjarke Ingels - SLE so/sx
Bjarke Ingels - I
This is ILE mocking his PoLR.
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