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    We know she's an ENTp, but what of her exertion type? It appears to be ISTj...

    We live in a world of animate and inanimate objects.

    The first are more complex than the latter.

    In addition, in our view, the first form closed systems

    that attempt to withstand the rest of the world and thus in a way duplicate its parameters.

    In other words, their bodies and psyches can and do reflect the entire external environment in all its complexity.

    What is living puts itself in opposition to external reality, while what is lifeless blends with it.
    I'm not settled on this... there are, of course, 16 possibilities.

    It seems important to understand the mind of the person who invented socionics as much as possible.

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    I really wonder why and how a type with Fi as PolR would construct a theory about intertype relations explaining how different types interact with each other romantically

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    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I really wonder why and how a type with Fi as PolR would construct a theory about intertype relations explaining how different types interact with each other romantically

    IEI
    Imho, ITR in the socionics context are a Ti thing not an Fi thing. It lacks the feeling component of Fi since those ITR are organized and categorized from a detached POV . ITR are no more no less than a systematization of relationships according to a given law which derived from the theory itself, so it's Ti.

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    Alive really does type everything as IEI

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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    Imho, ITR in the socionics context are a Ti thing not an Fi thing. It lacks the feeling component of Fi since those ITR are organized and categorized from a detached POV . ITR are no more no less than a systematization of relationships according to a given law which derived from the theory itself, so it's Ti.
    The structure of intertype relations is very Ti, very systematic, but the individual descriptions about how each type interacts with the other up to the point how it makes the other person feel, tha'st a very ethical perspective. The thought that a type like ILE, who has major problems perceiving how his words and actions make other people feel, would come up and invent a system with detailed explanations of how other people relate to one another...it just seems bizarre to me. It makes much more sense that it was a type with Ti as activating function and strong ethical functions
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by ouronis View Post
    Alive really does type everything as IEI
    >IEI invents system to describe interpersonal dynamics
    >people of the same type get interested in it and flock to sites like this
    >meanwhile all the normie types don't give a shit about it due to weak Ni and the theory remains an obscure phenomenon
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I really wonder why and how a type with Fi as PolR would construct a theory about intertype relations explaining how different types interact with each other romantically
    That's exactly the reason: Fi polr. To substitute real feeling with a system that will make the need for Fi obsolete. This is something one can see in Alpha NTs. They can talk a lot about relationships, and they try to explain and theoretize about it. Real Feeling is a different matter though.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

    (Jung on Si)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    That's exactly the reason: Fi polr. To substitute real feeling with a system that will make the need for Fi obsolete. This is something one can see in Alpha NTs. They can talk a lot about relationships, and they try to explain and theoretize about it. Real Feeling is a different matter though.
    But socionics emphazises that everyone is unique. It's not a 2+2=4 system. It's not like you find a dual and live happily ever after. Why are intertype relations for me as a logical type so uninteresting and a type with even lower Fi would invent that concept? What do ethical types do? They constantly wonder "will I get along with this person, is he/she a good match for me" and so on. They have a way stronger motivation to figure out these interpersonal dynamics then a type with Fi as PolR. I ask a couple of my ILE friends and they understand this issue immediatly, but for an unfortunate reason people here see ILE as the inventor and that's it, despite Ne being more about alternatives
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    >IEI invents system to describe interpersonal dynamics
    >people of the same type get interested in it and flock to sites like this
    >meanwhile all the normie types don't give a shit about it due to weak Ni and the theory remains an obscure phenomenon
    As long as you're self-aware, I don't give a shit. Just thought it was funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouronis View Post
    As long as you're self-aware, I don't give a shit. Just thought it was funny.
    I'm just seeing this type as visionairy, that's why most famous people make up this type in my view.
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects

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    Well ethicals of distancing subtype could view the apparently symmetry of Socionics and the order it confers to the experience of existing as human sack of organs as a curiosity feature worth studying. Main focus: not relationships going forward. Then maybe logicals with Fi polr but with a contact subtype...
    Sicuramente cercherai il significato di questo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I'm just seeing this type as visionairy, that's why most famous people make up this type in my view.
    I usually see them as bitchy and stale

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouronis View Post
    I usually see them as bitchy and stale
    I'm obviously not talking about every example of this type. Most people are average
    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    I have been thinking about what Alive was saying about everyone on here being IEI, and I conclude that he is right, or at least he is on to something.

    If Jung based his theories on the people he met in his life, even if he met more people than the average person, that means that he based his theories on a certain type of person. The type of person who might go to him for therapy or talks, or who might believe the esoteric ideas he was spouting at the time. Thus it's possible that he did not categorize all humans into types, but just made subtypes for a specific type of person. This overarching type of person is the same type that is heavily interested in theories of this kind, and whom Alive says is an IEI.

    Therefore, Alive is right. We are all IEIs with subtypes. With that, I'm off this forum
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...ung-s-subjects

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