Originally Posted by
hkkmr
Read the
ego descriptions and the short description on ESFj and ESFp. I just don't think Luffy is
ego. If you continue to ignore the
I've presented, I'm going to start doubting your "gamma" ness.
You have only presented Ti arguments.
Luffy is the embodiment of an Se-ego type, and, even more so, of an ESFp.
We're not hear to debate the logical structure of socionics with you, or to explain systematically how an ESFp demonstrates his Se/Fi. What we are willing to do is take Te-facts, as accepted by the majority of the socionics community, and use them as evidence for our case of Luffy's type.
Here is my argument for Se:
Luffy is in a constant -- and I mean constant -- state of "go". When he is hungry he tells Sanji to make him food, when he is bored, he impulsively initiates a physical activity with one of the crew members, usually without their prior consent, and usually always of a rough-housing nature. When he decides he wants something, he gets up and goes without any hesitation, no matter how big the obstacles.
When Luffy is angry at a person -- usually a villain -- his response is to "take down" that person, immediately and with brute force. No subtlety or politics involved. If someone is a problem, he calls them an asshole, and states that he is going to kick their ass.
He lives for conflict, or the physical engagement. He experiences pure bliss at being in a battle of forces; pushing, enduring,
willing the other person to lose.
Arguments for Fi:
He is more concerned with the bonds between himself and his friends than the emotional atmosphere of his environment. His nakama, Zoro, is a cold and rigid person who is a hindrance to an Fe atmosphere, but Luffy doesn't care, as he is more concerned with the fact that Zoro is his friend who he would die for and whom he can depend on.
To accomplish his "Se vision", which is literally to force his way to the top of Pirate world just to see if he can (because he lives to strive for a difficulty goal) he creates these strong Fi bonds with people who he can depend on to help him. To him, having trusted friends and advisers who can help him get to his goal is the best plan of action. He has literally no Ti understanding of anything. He doesn't see the hierarchy between people and things, and almost makes a point to go against Ti logic whenever he hears it:
Villain: "You can't get to the island in the sky. It's impossible to fly a ship up there. How will you do it?"
Luffy: "How will I know unless I try?"
To him, the only way to know if something can be done or not is to try it himself and either succeed or fail. Things are never universally impossible. They are either things he can do or things he can't do, and if he fails at something, he would cheer on someone who was trying their best to accomplish the same goal afterward. It's all a matter of how much Se force you can generate to do what you want. Complete disregard for Ti in every way.
He decides if someone is good or bad (and if he needs to kick their ass) not by their potential, not by their usefulness, but by what they've done, or more frequently, by the "vibe" he gets from them. Whereas an Fe type would see the value in having good relations with a villain if it meant a positive atmosphere and a lack of conflict, an ESFp, namely Luffy, only sees that this is a bad person who needs to have some justice dished out against them for being such a dick. It doesn't matter how suave or debonair the enemy is, or even if he won't cause any immediate trouble. Once Luffy decides you're a douche bag, you're going down, regardless of the consequences.