They'd most likely be an H-SLE/C-IEI duality. The SLE would be withdrawn and grumpy, and the IEI flighty, fantasy-driven and idealistic, in a manner that the SLE finds wonderfully amusing and inspiring. They'd have this GRAND GLORIOUS AWESOME VISION, which would inspire the SLE, possibly enough to shake them out of their torpor and say LET'S DO IT! (integration into 3), at which point they'd take point.Originally Posted by unbornesia
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
It's possible. IEI 1s are usually eitherSo you think I'm the DCNH IEI
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
With socionics gaining in popularity, a number of MBTI INFJs have been discovering that they are IEIs and declaring a hunt after SLEs or praising their SLE hubbies and baes. A few groups are overflowing with these discussions
..I'm an INFJ married to an ESTP. We balance each other out in many areas. He's helped me come out of my shell so much. We do butt heads at times when it comes to me wanting to be by myself or when I don't want to go out and he does... but nothing major. We always find a compromise. Some areas, especially our goofy sides, are nearly identical. He's my best friend and I love him to pieces.... and the sex is fantastic
..Not sure about the fall in love thing because i don't know any INFJ men that I'm aware of. But I have a few friends and some of the reasons they say they like me is 1) I do or say things they never would have. 2) I keep them semi-grounded and not let them become paralyzed with the endless scenarios of what could happen. Basically, just shut the fuck up and do it and if you don't die, you win. 3.) For some stupid reason they think I can do anything. So not true, but apparently I fake it pretty damn well. 4.) Because I'm fucking awesome...duh! ESTP.
..I have a friend who's an ESTP. He's a bit more cerebral than advertised, so we have good conversations about theoretical but practical things (prison systems, whether he'd bang a ****** who passes, etc.). Also, the ones I've known are great story tellers, loud, animated, active, playful, resourceful, creative, straightforward/blunt, charismatic, persuasive, fearless... I am none of that, so it's pretty titillating.
..I know an estp/in*j couple and it is the most weird bizarre match but they somehow work and have been together 5 years now. They're cute together but it's fucking weird and doesn't make sense to me. I guess I see the INxJ ground the ESTP and the estp actually give the INxJ something to live for lol. enfp.
..I think ESTP seem confident and edgy which seems to create attraction but honestly can lead to horrible relationships. They are the bad boys, the confident dudes that draw women of all types. Infjs are intrigued by the duality. As an Infj male, this fascinates me. I would rather not be with any st type. It would drive me insan
..I can see this. I have said similar things about me (infj) and my husband (estp). I said I keep him grounded, and he puts wind in my sails. If I have an idea or something I'd like to do he becomes my greatest cheerleader. "You can do it. Go for it! What can I do to help? Or here's how I would go abut it..." He gives me just the right encouragement and support I need to go after my dreams rather than just dream them
Real life experience ...
I'm an INFJ who is uncontrollably in love with a crazy ESTP man.
Why?
Because he...
0) ... is wild and impulsive
1) ... teaches me to be fearless
2) ... bring new and exciting experiences to my life
3) ... get me out of my comfort zones and take risks
4) ... doesn't give a damn about what people think
5) ... live in the moment
6) ... speak up for myself, he acts as my superhero
7) ... is the ultimate masculine
8 ) ... is dependable and reliable, always keep his promises (is this rare for an ESTP?)
9) ... spontaneous, always active, never boring - keep fire under my ass and get me moving.
10) ... very practical and hold me grounded
11) ... blunts, no sugar coatings which sometimes hurts my feelings but I like his honesty
12) ... brings out my competitive edge, making me better at the work place
13) ... always response immediately when I text: "I need your help" - very adorable. Otherwise he's normally non-commutative when we're not together.
14) ... has great sense of style 15) ... has luxurious tastes and very generous
16) ... gallantry, a rare trait for modern men. He always open and close car's doors and pull out chairs for me in restaurants
17) ... extremely confident, huge ego
18) ... high handed, I became very feminine in his presence and loving it.
19) ... giving me a sense of safety and protected when he's around
20) ... very boyish and devilish when trying to show off - I think it's cute!
21) ... amazing sense of humour and wits
22) ... seems rude and cold because of his words but he has a very warm heart. Very devoted to his family and friends.
23) ... always ready to help if needed, even with a stranger.
24) ... has high standards for himself and others
25) ... hard working, he can't stand idleness. Laziness drives him nut
26) ... short terms goals oriented. He doesn't like long term planning. This part drives me mad ��
27) ... is very playful, help people relieve stresses
28) ... no surprises, he can deals with any given dilemmas.
29) ... super strong will, won't take no for an answer.
30) ...flirtatious and charming to the opposite sex - I'm not a fan, but it's part of his personality. Got to love the whole package.
31) ... physically affectionate, doesn't let me get out of his reach when we're alone.
32) ... does household chores
33) ... loves to cook for me
34) ... mind blowing skills in the sacks - extremely giving and great manner - got what I mean? ��
35) ... making me the best version of myself
What else can a woman wish for in a man?
These are only few of the reasons why an INFJ fall in love with an ESTP.
I admired the qualities in him which I lack and vice versa.
It is not a philosophy or ideology, it's a reality!
We are truly the vision of Ying & Yang. He's the ultimate masculine to my feminine.
I also believe that this pairing can only work with mature or well developed INFJ females and ESTP males.
Especially, it can be extremely difficult for INFJ males and ESTP females - the roles would be reverse and the relationship can easily crash and burn!
My current partner is an ESTP (male) and I am an INFJ (female). Let's start with the pros:
We have opposite strengths in nearly every area. Both of us are always bringing something new to the relationship because we are so oddly different. It's the prime example of opposites attract!
1) He keeps me grounded simply because he is always in the present. He lives very "in the now". So when I slip off into my INFJ spirals of ruminating thoughts that circles around and around in my head, he can logically,calmly, and quickly pull me out.
2) I am his ultimate help mate when it comes to "the little things". Since I am very detail oriented I don't mind picking up on the little things he doesn't like to be bothered with or simply overlooks. He adores this about me! So many times he turns to me and says "good save!!"
3) We don't have theatrical arguments. He doesn't get thrown by my emotions. When he senses me getting overly emotional he combats it with logic. Not stern/mean logic but he has a very calm way of reasoning and it usually makes me forget why I was upset in the first place. So even when we do fight it's VERY short lived.
4) Both people are very accepting of the other. We don't try to change each other. I am who I am and he is who he is, and neither of us rock that boat, if needed we truly always try to flex to make the other comfortable.
Now let's get on to the bad:
1) He unintentionally hurts my feelings at times. As I've said he is very logical and with that he can be blunt to a fault. To him he doesn't mean harm, he is simply being truthful. This is something that seems to be a constant work in progress. As I've said we are both very flexible when it comes to each other so he tries not to be so harsh, as I try to developed a "thicker skin." This isn't a bad thing because both of us could use amendment in this particular area.
2) Stereotypical: I feel like as a pair we fall into the stereotypical gender roles. This isn't bad depending on who you are or who you are surrounded by, but I do feel people judge us on this. My Partner is the perfect example of the "All American Man" and he takes pride in that. While I am quite comfortable being his helpmate, stay-at-home mom (when the time comes). ALOT of people judge us for this. Its almost as if we encourage these behaviors in each other , but other people see it as "outdated".
I'm a very abstract thinker. He is not. It's very important for us to have outlets and friends of our own because many times our conversations don't really line up. We can talk about things but many times as are coming from totally different angles and someone gets lost.
Although many our strengths are very different, we share many similar weaknesses. So when things go bad for us, they tend to get really really bad. Example, both of us are weak in regulating emotions, so there tend to be a lot of outburst. Not necessarily at each other, just in general. There have been times where I burst out in tears and since he couldn't sooth me, he also becomes emotional or upset. Emotions are a big issues for us, because neither person is good at controlling theirs when they do bubble over. The problem is we both hold emotion in until it has nowhere to go and it has to come out, that's what usually results in the emotional outburst.
Nobody likes to rock the boat...EVER!!!!! We rather suffer in silence than risk shaking the relationship. This scares me at times because if/when children even come into the picture this is what they will see growing up. It will go, mom and dad are clearly upset at each other, and something doesn't seem right, and both have been going around the house bitter for weeks, and suddenly over dinner someone will say "pass the salt", and that's when all the shit hits the fan! It's a scary thought honestly!
..I was first drawn in because of the ESTP charm and charisma, sense of humor very much aligned with mine. And good looks/flashy almost flamboyant style of doing everything. I was hooked by the sexiness and romanticism. I also feel (and am) very protected by my estp husband. He is a very strong and brave man, but is gentle and sweet with me. He's popular with everyone but reserves his "true self" for me. We also support and encourage one another toward self-improvement. He supported me through college and I have helped him build a successful business, and we have always worked together toward a shared goal (retirement by 50). We both grew up poor and come from pretty dysfunctional families, so we give each other a "safe space" to be ourselves and someone we know we can depend on.
Long before we learned of mbti, we used to muse about us being two halves of a whole, because my strengths are his weaknesses and vice versa. So together we feel unstoppable. (One small example: he is a hands on and visual learner and a doer and can fix anything so long as he can see all the parts to see how it works. I learn by reading and studying, researching, etc. So when we have something that requires reading the manual to set up, he will first try to wing it but if he runs into a hiccup, he will hand me the manual and tell me to "nerd out on this" and then tell him what to do.)
Most of all, I like him (not just love--I genuinely like the guy) because he is exciting. He is never boring, always up to something and trying something new and taking me along for the ride. I bore very easily, and most other people tend to get on my nerves after a while. Neither is a problem with him
I've already posted on another thread about my own experience with my dual. I'll just leave a link to the post here:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...97#post1283297
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Thanks for the mental image of someone having gotten @Adam Strange to watch anime, @faith lol.
Hey, I liked Nausicaa and Cowboy Bebop. Also a lot of the Studio Ghibli movies. I tried Death Note but got bored.
Are you saying that there's more? More anime?
Don’t watch anime you’ll scare the ESIsHey, I liked Nausicaa and Cowboy Bebop. Also a lot of the Studio Ghibli movies. I tried Death Note but got bored.
Are you saying that there's more? More anime?
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How would that scare them? I mean, I'm not disagreeing. Most of the male ESI's that I know watch sports exclusively. They might not have four chairs, but they have a big screen TV tuned to the sports channel. And I can't recall an ESI ever mentioning anime, so you might be right. But why do you think you're right?
I’m assuming you’re a lot older than me, and that you didn’t grow up watching anime nor was it really that popular during your high school days, which is the main factor for why most ESIs your age won’t watch it. It really needs getting used to. Being interested in Japanese cartoons was a social death sentence lol.
But even if you show them something like that now they ‘won’t feel like it’s them’. ESIs aren’t interested in anything that’s not concrete (?) the ones I know won’t watch Harry Potter for example. It has to be something that really relates to them and what they would like to achieve. My ESI cousin watches anime, but only ones that specifically relate to the topic of freedom. My SEE friend watches the Avengers because she really values strength.
Since we, XSIs are very quick to judge, they will never give it enough time to find something they like.
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This is white people anime
Female IEI animal youtuber speaks of relationship with abusive SLE musician
Dunno. This Jonny Craig guy looks ILE to me.
He looks more like ILE Conan O'Brien than God of Comedy SLE Bill Burr.
She cried for an hour about him getting her addicted to heroin, raping her and pushing her into a fridge etc lol
I think that ILE James Deen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Deen) has some similar complaints against him.
Most of the SLE's that I know can range anywhere from gung-ho Air Force heroes to street thugs, but I feel that they are all gentlemen at heart.
Maybe I'm prejudiced because I feel that Duals have levers which they can use to affect each other, so violence should not be necessary, but maybe I'm being naive.
What makes you type him ILE?
That chick Taylor Nicole Dean is not IEI.
I don't know the guy, but Se doesn't make you violent/rapist, and being violent/rapist doesn't make you Se. Despite what people with out of control Se hidden agenda or rapey prison thug fantasies would have you believe.
Sure, not necessarily, but it should also be the most correlated by definition too. Together with Fi polr too, it makes a lot of sense, though I’m sure it’s triggering to be pigeonholed as an SLE male, that’s the truth!
Do you have an alternative typing for her then? Or just satisfied with saying no to IEI and not saying why?
I personally would like to type them EIE-Ni & LSI or if she's IEI then maybe activity relations instead, but I haven't looked into this at all and I won't any further. But if it's IEI-SLE duality it's a good example of how fucked up relationships and duality is in general, and no one is safe, ever.
Lol well it sure is a fucked up example I agree. I’m not saying it’s the norm, but just because it’s an extreme example doesn’t mean it’s not an example either.
Give me a fucking break, that guy is definitely nothing like SLE or LSI.
IEE probably, everything screams Fi and Ne.
@Aaron Something Is this guy your identical, or are these beta ST guys just upset at being associated with a faggy rapist?
Idk, these "Beta ST's" aren't even the epitome of non-faggy either, but I don't know much of the guy. Prolly ILE or IEE could be. I myself am faggy.
Ok on second thought I changed my mind and agree with you guys @Adam Strange @Northstar . He simply looks too faggy. I could see Ne lead better, maybe ILE.
When I listened to the girl’s retelling of his actions though, I could understand some of his motivations. At one point in the video she said he tied her up with duct tape after undressing her and said something like “if everyone thinks that I’m a monster /rapist, then I will be one”. Probably the Fi polr.
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That guy is an F type. SEE?
I agree, one can read it even in his body language.
I have a weird observation regarding beta duality, at least in my experience it seems that when the chase is over and she stops putting up resistance :/ I lose steam and interest.. Is this normal?
Yeah I think that's not unusual at all in aggressor/victim dynamics. Se is energized by overcoming resistance and obstacles, and when there are no longer any your drive also drops.
Yeah do SLE even do this much verbal soul searching?
No, impersonal logical analysis > verbal gushing with feelings.
^ Lmao they are too cool to exist. Impossibru.
Jason Momoa > SLE-Se 7w8 & Lisa Bonet > IEI-Ni 4w5
That hobo is SEE.
Wrong. I said what I said.
Lmao, okay, man.
lol sorry, hadn't sipped my coffee yet.
That hobo has more money than you. I certainly would be more careful about calling him that. Especially from someone living in a country that DEFAULTED on its debt
Didn't mean to shove my finger up your asshole, no need to get that defensive.oh, powerful SLE! And no, my country's situation is not my fault, I don't think so.
Argentina has defaulted on its debt nine times since 1816. It isn't really a fault so much as a strategy. The reason they can keep getting loans from US banks after so many defaults is that the US banks which make these loans are able to get bailed out by the US government.
So is the fault Argentina's? Or does the problem lie with US banks that know they can't lose on the loans they make, because the guys who own the banks also run the US government? The banks get the interest payments from Argentina and then they get compensated for the lost principal by the US taxpayer.
You know, if a bank loaned me money and I defaulted, and then the bank came back the next year with more loan offers and I took the money again and defaulted again, and then the banks came back the third year with more loan offers, I'd be stupid not to take the free money.
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