Integral Types of Countries/Nations

[krieger]

it looks like a generic list of well-known, prestigious nations roughly ranked by economic prosperity.

[FDG]

so they're gamma introverts?

oh and THANK YOU FOR TYPING MY NATION AS HAVING NO LOGIC

[Galen]

Pre-modern Japan can be seen as stereotypically Delta rational I guess, particularly during the 200+ year Tokugawa/Edo period. For Modern Japan though, I may lean towards Alpha NT that still self-types as Delta NF (Eunice suggested this, and I think it works). Lots of Japanese people like to consider themselves to be emotionally restrained and overly polite (which they tend to be on average), but a part of that feels more like an external image or definition that they feel obligated to uphold; it's like they're trying to wear a mask of what they think Fi is but it's all done in a Merry sort of fashion.

The Japanese culture as a whole seems a lot more obviously E6 to me. A lot of how the Japanese people interact with others is based in a "what did he really mean" mentality, meaning that there's a lot of digging for subsurface character in people, trying to parse the other person's true intentions from their slight and subtle actions.

[UDP]

so they're gamma introverts?

oh and THANK YOU FOR TYPING MY NATION AS HAVING NO LOGIC

I'd say a lot of countries have taken their stupid pills lately.
But then again, being a type with strong T doesn't mean you aren't stupid, as we all know. . .

[Morbid]

so they're gamma introverts?

oh and THANK YOU FOR TYPING MY NATION AS HAVING NO LOGIC

Japan is colloquially known by a lot of Americans, and a particular Australian based critic, to be "Xenophobic dicks." Gamma SFs have that sort of "Us Vs Them" mentality. Quadra "verts" are hardly a fair comparison having only their "vertness" in common. The Logic arguement is really very immature, not being a T type does not exclude you from having any thinking at all. It simply means they are on the relational aspect of reality instead of the business aspect. They have the latter in abundance not because it is standalone but because is it properly counterbalanced by the former. I also didn't type Italy, the leading researcher in the field of Socionics, in one of the world's only established socionics research institutes did.

Commercial commenting on Japan: "Japan, a land of honor, a land of ritual, a land of sense, the only thing that doesn't make is their Television, *Rock Montage* Crazy Japanese everything*" Top Gear did a show in Japan and their behaviour is exactly what you would expect from a semi-duality relationship. How can a country full of so much BS still make pretense in all of their rituals. This is a prime example of ISFj.

it looks like a generic list of well-known, prestigious nations roughly ranked by economic prosperity.

That's exactly what it is. The peculiarity is the alignment of favouring. The US is ranked at the top (Duality), followed closely by Britain (Semi Dual) and finished off with Germany, China (Look alike, Quasi, Mirror)etc. Which aligns with typically accepted relationship ranking. (According to Socioniko table and matching various other calculations)


Consider also the distinct divide between US and Japan. From reading an article about "Herbivorous Males" (Google it) it spoke about how for a long time males in Japan were spoon fed relationships with co-workers, wives, family etc. This sounds exactly like an ENTj life support system. Everything a businessman needs was systematically provided by an ISFj system. Business thrives, technology booms.

The US is an E3, probably 3w4 with elements of 1 slowly shifting to elements of 7 over the last century. Its a dog eat dog world. Make it on business ethics, networking, profit, motivation. All of our relational needs (Fi needs) take the form of business. Self-help books, self-help seminars, self-improvement, pills, prescriptions, faceless X in organization Y, sheeple, bottom line, conglomerates, Fox news. You have a non-business need, there's a business for that. You need to make friends, Facebook; you need to lose weight, Jenny Craig; you need to do X, there's an app for that. The true embodiment of American ISFj-business is the 4/5 star hotel system. Everything you could possibly need, if the price is right. Mercenaries: Violence for profit, the two hallmarks of western society. Land of Opportunity; clean slate. You are defined by what you do and can do, not who you were. Originally built on ideals, conservative principles, founding fathers (E1) and now moving onto everything all at once, melting pot, everyone gets a chance, just try do it (E7). Not to say that opportunity is a bad thing, but that moving towards co-operations (E6) is better than inventing something to get ahead of the pack and stay ahead of the crash (E7).

Japan would naturally disintegrate into being overly business oriented (E6 to 3), while the US would shift in the reverse (E3 to 6). This feeds into their darkest historical times (disclaimer I only know a passing layman's knowledge of Japanese history so don't get upset) in the pre-WWII era where they decided to become expansionary. This was Japan's genocidal era, where they were disintegrating into E3, trying to prove themselves. Typically it was always like that, when they became achievement oriented instead of peace oriented they suffered setbacks, with the reverse being true. This accounts for Japan's explosion in the technological sector ever since US occupation. By accepting a partnership and having their E3 abilities blocked off (or accomplished) by a forced E3, they had only one place to move, to E9. Paraphrasing random Japanese pundit sources, once they became the embodiment of greed (back to 3) they suffered decline. Granted the recent disaster, its a natural disaster but the coincidence is staggering. After this "humbling" (a resetting back to 9) with the condition that they accept foreign aid (healthy 6 attitude) they will rebuild very quickly only to repeat the cycle.

I guess my point is that everyone has a point, and all of them are valid, and they all fit without any contradiction. It would not be a stretch to say that America probably has the lowest approval rating with a lot of countries, but for Japan it's still on top. In Canada everywhere outside of Toronto the US has huge approval ratings. While in Britain, their house is in Europe but their hearts and minds are in the west.

[Park]

OLIVIA SAYS SO IT MUST BE TRUE!

[Beautiful sky]

yeah, ESE is good

[Park]

looks like you're stupid

[Beautiful sky]

SEE and confirm.

[Scapegrace]

Jesus Christ, that woman is a cunt.

And I do not believe that Sweden is more stupidly nationalistic as the United States.

[Park]

Jesus Christ, that woman is a cunt.

No U.

[DaftPunk]

When you have no money and have cancer you want to live in Sweden not in the USA

CUNT!

[InvisibleHim]

oh it's definitely full of Feeses

[blackburry]

Ya, I think I'd rather live Sweden then ghetto ass America.

[1981slater]

Let's type some nations...or stereotypes!

Spain - ENFp
Italy - ESTp
Germany - ISTj
USA - ENTj
England - ESTj
Canada - INTj
Japan - ENTp
France - ISFp
Norway - INFp
Russia - ESTp
Australia - ISTp
China - INTp

Spain SEE
England ILI/LIE
Italy North Delta
Italy Center Gamma
Italy South Beta
France ?
Germany (Prussia) LSE
Germany (Bayern) LSI
Russia SLE
China LSI
USA LIE/ILE
Brazil SEE
Australia SLI
Japan delta
Canada LII
Ireland ESE
Belgium SEI
Poland I dunno
India IEI?
Confederate States of America LSI?
Roman Empire ?
Republic of South Ossetia ??

[1981slater]

Finland ILE
Denmark ?

[1981slater]

Greece (ancient) LII
Greece (XXI) SEE

[1981slater]

Norway SLI
Sweden SLI

[Phantom]

India is extremely Fe. And I think Si over Ni.

[Exodus]

Senegal is ESE. Most African/black cultures seem to be in the Alpha SF / Beta ST range, although I could maybe see an argument for EIE for the African American community.

[Persephone]

Let's necrobump this. France as ESE is laughable.

[Shining]

Let's necrobump this. France as ESE is laughable.

Agreed, modern France is not ESE, though the archetypal idea of France being ESE makes sense, which was the point of this thread i guess.

[Chae]

SLI

[Chae]

LSI

[Chae]

EII

[Chae]

IEE

[The Reality Denialist]

SLI

Brains waiting for defrosting conducted by IEE

[Chae]

IEI

[Chae]

Technically not a country but anyway



LII

[Nanooka]

My home state of Alaska: LSI. Introverted culture, strong military focus, a basic "rough and tumble" mentality with a culture basically defined by books like Call of the Wild. Even if you're from Anchorage, which is a decently-sized and very modernized city, you generally act like you're Bear Grylls. Visitors are often surprised by how staid, unobtrusive, quiet the culture is though, since our cultural exports (*cough*Palin*cough*) generally come off as over-the-top kooky. Fairbanks is LSI as well and is seen as the heart of "Real Alaska," Anchorage might be steadily trending in a Delta ST (SLI?) direction.

Seattle metro, though not necessarily Washington as a whole: LII. Still a very introverted culture, called the "Seattle freeze." Prides itself on its weirdness and innovation. Pike Place is sort of the center of it for locals, and it's a mish-mash of shops selling every weird thing under the sun. Very outdoorsy culture. Snakier and less cute than it lets on, with its (often LIE) corporate titans.

Our neighbors in Oregon, or at least Portland, seem SEI. Soft beardy hipster-land, with a lot of restaurants, an expectation of physical activity, also mostly an introverted culture. NorCal, or at least the Bay Area, seems ILE. Major tech center, again a world-class restaurant center, a diverse array of random scattered ethnic and religious identities all bound together by mostly shared principles of tolerance, education, innovation.

[Chae]

ILE


Any questions left?

[Chae]

SEE

[The Reality Denialist]

So ILE's brain is fragmented. I can accept it but I have to consult my left side first. Internal brain politics and bureaucracy – it can take a while.

[Nanooka]

Finishing out typing the West Coast, venturing into the Southwestern portion that bears little cultural similarity to the Northwest besides sharing a sealine. I'm also less confident in these typings, since I know more about my "home turf" so to speak:

LA metro - EIE. The film industry's prominence leads to a certain emphasis on expressivity, the hustle and bustle lifestyle means probable Si devaluation. However, that description only fits the affluent white side of LA. The "other Los Angeles" suits EIE just as well, and in much more interesting ways. LA is also rife with internal conflicts; gang wars, radical politicized movements. Even in its affluent white end, it has a large and often unspoken about indie scene, significantly more creatively innovative than you'd expect for the City of Angels.

San Diego/OC - San Francisco's conflictor, ESI. Much more staid than LA, high military presence leading to a certain dudebro-ishness in the culture. Strong emphasis on traditional family life, somewhat socially conservative. Conveys a very Gamma image of opulent affluence.

[Bertrand]

isn't the entire history of colonialism basically western europe cucking the entire world

[Dauphin]

Portugal IEI?

[Dauphin]

The Ulster-Scots, Afrikaners, and American Southerners are all LSI cultures. All three are a mix of 6 and 8.

[Exodus]

Not a country, but Minnesota is apparently super-Si:



edit: there was another good video about Minnesotan hospitality but I can't find it right now

[Chae]

Not a country, but Minnesota is apparently super-Si:

Even the fashion is on point bwahhhaaahaaaa

[Exodus]

Agreed, modern France is not ESE, though the archetypal idea of France being ESE makes sense, which was the point of this thread i guess.

Then what is it (and why)? Some Fe ego at least.