Oh FFS I play Sudoku. My ESFj mother-in-law plays Sudoku. Or however it's spelled. It's a very popular thing. People of many many types might like to do that. Does not make him Ti.
Oh FFS I play Sudoku. My ESFj mother-in-law plays Sudoku. Or however it's spelled. It's a very popular thing. People of many many types might like to do that. Does not make him Ti.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
read my last post.Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
Well actually I just changed my mind and decided he comes across as a Gilly Jr.
EP temperment. Gilly style argumentation. Which drives me crazy BTW. Ne maybe too? ENTp works for me.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
read my second to last post.Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
No . . .I'm bored with this and I'm moving on.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
eat a large bag of pepperoni slices.Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
ENTp.
Originally Posted by niffweed17
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Wow, seeing me pissed off certainly turned everyone's opinions of me right around...Joy, can you really be so convinced after two brief conversations that you're going to go back on everything you've said so far? You people sure confuse me
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
And what's thisabout?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
ESFp was just my initial impression based on what information you gave to describe yourself. Having seen you interact with others though... ENTp simply seems more likely at this point. Have you read any type descriptions?
I'm quoting my own post How cool. Anyways I add something. I still see more taciturn than narrator. However in the light of recent ENFj and Fe talk I guess it is more likely that EP temperament and ENTp or ESFp is the right way to go. From these I would think ENTp. There was a thread where there was talk about role functions and the "trying hard to make a tough impression" thing is something Se-role types do. ESTps with Ne-role put more effort into trying to look intellectually competent. They don't play the "tough act" that much.Originally Posted by XoX
To distinguish between these look-a-like types here is a question to Voyce:
Which of these criticisms would "hit" you harder and irritate you more
a) You are a weak pussy trying to look tough
b) You are a dumbass trying to look intelligent
Basically role hit should be harder than leading function hit so if you chose a) then you are more probably ENTp and if you choose b) then you are more probably ESTp.
I go with EP temperament, taciturn, ENTp for now with ESFp, ENFj, ESFj still on the table and ESTp as a wild card (which I don't believe in).
mmm....Originally Posted by XoX
i think this is not representative of what an SLE would do at all. if you want to get under an SLE's skin, telling him he's stupid will do very little. instead, act like an ESI.
Okay, these seem to be the top contenders at this point:
Originally Posted by ENTpOriginally Posted by ESTpOriginally Posted by ENFjOriginally Posted by ESFpOriginally Posted by ENFp
I like having my intelligence underestimated sometimes for the sheer sake of suprising people, but I don't like people walking away with the impression of me as a dimwit. Anyone who calls me dumb openly gets an eye roll and a good dose of evidence to the contary :wink:
Likewise, if someone called me a pussy, I'd probably show them how much more of a pussy they are than I
Either way, they're going to end up being proven wrong
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
The point is that SLE is more secure about his power than intelligence and ILE is more secure about his intelligence than power. This is based on the idea that Expat once presented that role hit hurts even more than PoLR hit. Many people just don't care about their PoLR enough to be irritated but most people get irritated if their role is threathened. At the same time if your leading function is "hit" you are usually quite unaffected because you are so sure about using it.Originally Posted by niffweed17
uh, no. Ne =! intelligence.Originally Posted by XoX
no no no... Ne + Ti is more likely to be an "intellectual" than other types. I don't care if this is a "stereotype".
uh, no. complete conjecture and completely inaccurate.Originally Posted by Joy
You mean to say that the typical ENTp or INTj isn't interested in science and philosophy?
Originally Posted by Joy
did i say that?
My point is that it depends on how you define "an intellectual" (which is why I put it in quotations).
Those are from socioniko.net, no? The ESFp one you posted is ESFj
I've looked over these briefly, and I see a bit of myself in this one and each of the one's you've posted. The bits that I think are most like me are:Caius Julius Caesar - the first Roman Emperor.
1. Kindness is power. He takes pride in his influence with people, their love and respect, of his own popularity, gladly leads others. He is assertive and kinky in expressing his sexuality, but aloof in dealing with the objective world, mistrustful towards new scientific ideas and in general towards everything things objective, which he perceives as too impersonal. He feels much more confident and therefore has a clear conscience, only in the field of manipulating people.
2. Restless activity, greed for practical actions. He never hides his feelings – en contraire, he takes special pride in them. It is easy for him to sound sincere, when he expresses his true feelings. He expresses his admiration both verbally and with a look in his eyes. He is always an adherent of love in all its aspects, both carnal and psychological, if he needs it. Even when a feeling is of a passing nature, he knows very well what he desires from his lover, has no intention to adapt – only to dictate. He is arrogant, optimistic, before a complicated situation he does not go shy but tries to resolve it immediately in a few decisive moves.
3. He pays a lot of attention to the esthetic and order in his surroundings. Frequently he is the possessor of inborn taste, knows how to dress well and demands the same from his partners. He is attentive to “physical parameters” of his partner. In all his activities he shows a lot of initiative. However, he lacks a sense of measure: he is ever unsure that he has done all he could.
4. Less nagging and more living! His life may be poisoned by the demands of those close to him to think his actions through, to act “rationally”. This is too much for him to withstand, such demands only make him want to act more irrationally, and brush reason aside altogether to spite everyone. In fact, he acts cleverly and logically until someone starts to demand of him to do so, i.e. as long as he is “respected” and “reckoned with”. It is useless to dispute his logic: one can influence him only by challenging him to set aside his goals in favor of other ones, more noble and harder attainable.
5. Laws are cowards’ inventions. His initiative and passion for new undertakings are so great that no criticism, even permanent grumble of his dual (Balzac, The Critic) who condemns almost each display of enthusiasm, can spoil his mood. Moreover: criticizing calms him down, for him it signals that his activities did not pass unnoticed and that he must have done enough.
6. Disappointment. Due to his initiative and demanding nature he frequently feels disappointed with his loved ones: they turn out to be “not what they seemed to be”, not perceptive enough of his whims. The bottom line is that he needs a partner who is easy to adapt to without adapting at all (without changing his own nature). If such a partner is not nearby, he gets up to mischief in order to draw such a person’s attention.
ESFp:
1 (except the scientific ideas and objective world part...only an idiot rejects something just because it's new, and, as I've said, I think logic is, if nothing else, a good tool for thinking in general.)
2 (minus the practical part...fun or stimulating would be better)
3 (minus the surroundings...I definitely like to look good, but my room sometimes degenerates into a mess )
4, 5, and 6 are ok.
ENTp:
1 (but I DO like to take credit, and I can tell when I've accomplished something worthwhile)
2 (emotional reciprocity is VERY important; I hate gushiness and people blabbing about their emotions, but obviously I need to feel loved)
3 (First and last sentences only, I think)
NOT 4
5 and 6 are fine, except the last part: I LOVE competition, and having authority never bothers me unless it entails a bunch of boring responsibilities
ESTp:
1 (minus the end result...it's important to have fun on the way, too )
2
3 (especially the part about "shortcut to a solution;" TOTALLY me.)
4 (minus the discipline...nobody would EVER call me disciplined )
5 (for sure...I can definitely convey a mood, but I don't open up emotionally to someone unless I'm close to them, and I have their confidence as well; lke I said, emotional reciprocity is key in any relationship)
ENFj:
Not 1
2 (Romantic, excitable, but not the rest)
3 (only planning for possible outcomes, defeat>compromise)
4 (I don't think much about people judging things in terms of "good and evil," but I do make my own principles. But I expect people to do the same, and I'm not going to force mine on them unless their principles have consequences for me)
5 (First two and last sentences only)
Not 6
7
ESFj :wink: :
1
2 (Second and third to last only)
3 (People have always told me that I'm a good listener and give the impression of being very trustworthy in personal matters, but other than that, none of this is really super-"me;" maybea little, but not to an outstanding degree)
Not 4 (except for working alone and the last two sentences)
Not 5 (except that I like to dress up )
6 (although I'm not always especially "emotionally charged")
ENFp:
2 (although I don't really ever comment about people's talents, the rest fits)
3 (I guess...?)
Not 4 (although I OBVIOUSLY enjoy my friends; they wouldn't be my friends if I didn't )
5, although it sounds too touchy for me. I like my friends to have different opinions, one because I like to argue, but two because I love expanding my worldview; more people = greater scope of life.
6 and 7 are perfect
Fewf, that took a while...
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
fixed
So what am I?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Kind of setting yourself up there. I can think of about a million adjectives that are not entirely favorable.Originally Posted by Voyce
When I want your opinion, I'll beat the life out of you and take it with a pair of forceps.Originally Posted by discojoe
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
What's that Voyce? My idiot filter seems to be working better than usual, so you'll have to speak up.Originally Posted by Voyce
Apparently big men like to run from their problems.
Oh well, I might as well reciprocate.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I see you.... still haven't quite caught on yet. Oh well, I guess you want everyone else to think you're witty/smart/whatever, so you keep responding to impress them. Hehe.Originally Posted by Voyce
Is this guy still talking? Someone fetch me a pillow...
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
And Se =! power. However Se is related to perception of power and Ne is related to perception of "intelligence" (or something like that). It should still work. The word intelligence could be replaced with something else but I can't figure out a better word.Originally Posted by niffweed17
Wow, I hadn't thought of it that way. You know what? You are better than me, and smart and witty and dynamic and all the things that I could never be that will make women want you. What a guy.Originally Posted by Voyce
Curiosity is just BEGGING me to press unignore and rip this guy a new one...
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
yawn
words
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I didn't know "running from my problems" meant "avoiding an egocentric idiot."Originally Posted by Voyce
He's going on over here too? LoL
I wonder how long it will take for him to figure it out...
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
ROFL
You two are precious.
And I agree, he is like Gilly-lite. ENTp seems more suitable than ENFj.
IEI subtype