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    Has anyone seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender

    Let me start out by saying that I know this is a kids show on Nickelodeon. I don't care. It's good. Travis and I watched it as a mother son thing, and I looked forward to the episodes even more than he did.

    Aang: ESFp
    Katara: Exxj (Te > Fe probably)
    Sokka: ESTp
    Toph Bei Fong: ISTp
    Zuko: xxFx (probably he's my second favorite character)
    Azula: ENFj
    Iroh: xNxx (he's my favorite character <3 I thought perhaps a wise old INFp?)
    Mai: IxTx
    Suki: xxxx
    Ty Lee: ISFp?
    Admiral Zhao: ESTp?

    Anyways, as typical with fictional characters, not all fit into specific types very well.
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    nope

    I only watch Bob the Builder all cartoons are teh suck.

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    Now... since there are finally people here who've watched Avatar... What do you think the character's types are? Most of them are difficult to type. Here are my guesses:

    Aang: ESFp. ENFp could make sense, too.

    Katara: Some sort of EJ I would imagine? She's a tough one. Te > Fe most likely.

    Sokka: ESTp is my best guess. ESTj would be my second choice.

    Toph Bei Fong: ISTp for sure

    Zuko: Hard to say... there's a strong focus on ethics, but I don't know if it's because he has an ethical dual seeking function that's in dire need of being filled or because he's ethical. He's my second favorite character, which says a lot because there are a lot of awesome characters. I could see him as just about any Beta or Gamma.

    Azula: ENFj for sure

    Iroh: INxp, most likely? He's my favorite character. It seems like he either supervises Zuko or is his beneficiary, but that could just be their roles in each other's lives

    Mai: ISTp? I'm pretty curious about her type, actually. You wouldn't think she'd get along with Azula so well if they were conflictors though. And you wouldn't think she'd complain so much.

    Suki: I'm really not sure about her... seems rational, too quite to be EJ? ISTj would be my guess, for now.

    Ty Lee: ISFp

    Admiral Zhao: ESTp?

    Jet: ESTp? Or something?

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    I'm not trolling but I never could get into this show, and I usually am a bitch for mythology/sci-fi stuff. Seemed way too 'bland' to me for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    I'm not trolling but I never could get into this show, and I usually am a bitch for mythology/sci-fi stuff. Seemed way too 'bland' to me for some reason.
    Lmfao you should be a bitch for this show then. I was snotty and bratty about watching it but my boyfriend made me sit down and watch it. It's pretty damn good lol

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    Katara and Azula are rational types.

    Mai is ILI, she's basically the same character as Raven from Teen Titans.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Resonare View Post
    Katara and Azula are rational types.

    Mai is ILI, she's basically the same character as Raven from Teen Titans.




    Nice that made me laugh.

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    Aang: I am more inclined to say that he is an IEE as the "rough-housing and teasing" which you associated with Luffy as being SEE is not present in Aang at all. In fact he does not seem to be like an SEE at all. But at the same time the problem with IEE is that he does not seem to be a likely candidate for Toph's dual. But I would not doubt that he is an SEE as he annoys the crap out of me.

    Katara: Yeah, I would say Te/Fi > Ti/Fe for her, though probably Delta as she is all about "positive reinforcement" and being nice to Aang in her teaching style, which would probably not be an ILI, and I am not sure if she is much of a LIE.

    Sokka: Oddly enough, I would probably say ILE for Sokka since he seems to have more as personal knowledge and actively uses as a means to grasp the situation or find a potential way to solve the problem, but I can definitely see why one could potentially think LSE or SLE for him. It is just that I see a greater preference for Fe > Fi with Sokka, which is one of the ways in which his romances seem to differ from ::ahem:: Kataang.

    Toph: Part of the problem with typing her is her tough girl act as a compensation for being thought weak for her blindness, but I would say SLI.

    Zuko: He is definitely hard to say since his life is rather screwed up and his personality post-burn seems to be rather forced or unnatural to how he seemed to be prior to the burn.

    Iroh: I am sorry, but Iroh is all about his and Jasmine Tea much to the frustrations of the Fire Nation, so I am guessing SEI. :wink:

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    Sometimes I want to watch these series just so I can come in here and tell you all you're wrong.
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    Earth - Delta
    Sky - Alpha NT
    Fountain - ISFj
    Wind - Dean Koontz

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Wind - Dean Koontz
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    Winter will end
    Harvest will come
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    Alright, so far we've got:
    Aang: IEE
    Sokka: ILE
    Toph: SLI
    Iroh: SEI
    Zuko: EMO
    Katara: Gamma

    And what about the Fire Nation Trio?
    Azula: LIE
    Mai: introverted L
    Tai Lee: ExE

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    I've only seen Book 1: Water so far.

    Aang: An irrational feeler. Other than that I haven't decided.

    Katara: I can identify with her, so LSE works.

    Sokka: ILE works for Sokka. SLE and LSE don't.

    Zuko: My SLE brother identifies with him, so he can be SLE until I have a reason why not.

    Admiral Zhao: ESTp

    Iroh: E9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Zuko: My SLE brother identifies with him, so he can be SLE until I have a reason why not.
    I think he's a pretty obvious Introvert. I'm not entirely sure of LSI, but he's no extrovert imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    I think he's a pretty obvious Introvert. I'm not entirely sure of LSI, but he's no extrovert imho.
    I can see the introverted impression, but his life is externally-driven. He's trying to restore his honor, gain back his throne, chase down the Avatar, etc, etc.

    One important characterising arc in Season 2 is where Zuko has to figure out who he is after leading his entirely externally-driven life up until that point. Iroh even flips out at him for not looking inside and asking himself the "big questions" such as "Who am I?"

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    I also struggle to see Azula as anything other than a Se dominant. She's tricky to type, being a Hollywood Psychopath, but her entire character is built around her ambitions and dominance-seeking. She's too expert at manipulating people to get her way in a very Se way, ruling out EIE.

    SLE, of the psychopathic variety. Blue flames, lightning, and everything.

    I don't see where her personality emphasises Te or Ni in any way.

    I also like Sokka as an ILE, but if we're making him an Alpha, I think LII works a whole lot better, just based on how critical he is of other people being ridiculous idiots (one aspect of his melancholic temperament...) I still like SLI the best, but he just doesn't seem like he'd be Toph's identical, and I would otherwise peg her as an SLI. I suppose that can be adequately hand-waved by bringing up that he is largely just comic relief.

    Plus, do you see an Alpha NT being a "brave warrior"? That's the only aspect of his personality not played for laughs. Though his continued emotional commitment to Yue could be Fi PoLR.

    Basically his character is an inconsistent mess. He's comic relief. He doesn't have a singular type, the writers just have their way with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie
    Iroh: E9
    Yay, enneagram types!

    Somebody better type the characters before me bcuz I'm inclined to type all of them 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Ness View Post
    Yay, enneagram types!

    Somebody better type the characters before me bcuz I'm inclined to type all of them 7.
    Do these work?

    Aang: 7
    Katara: 3
    Sokka: 6?
    Zuko: 4, 5, or 6
    Admiral Zhao: 8
    Iroh: 9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Aang: 7
    Katara: 3
    Sokka: 6?
    Zuko: 4, 5, or 6
    Admiral Zhao: 8
    Iroh: 9
    I'm not even gonna try Katara. Or Zuko. But, those look good to me. Sokka can be a scaredy cat.

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    I think Zuko is a 6.
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    Hey what's with all the hate on Zuko?! I fucking love this guy, because I feel like I can relate to him in every aspect of his life. His ego is broken from a crazy, zany, narcissistic family. He's the black sheep.. Deep down he just wants to be loved and accepted.. I guess this says a lot about my type because of how much I can just "get" him. Anyways I <3 him and I find him relatable in so many ways. He just wants to be loved and accepted.

    BIPOLAR/PTSD for Zuko. He had an NF mom that he absolutely loved (Always believed in him and rooted for him), and the loss of that significant, loving figure is what caused him a lot of pain too.. You people just need to understand lol >

    I grew up feeling a lot like Zuko. The black sheep outcast of my family. Unstable af.. I don't even really know if we really have solid personality types.. Anyways, he's the underdog of the society, the emo outcast... But mannn Uncle Iroh was a very good influence on Zuko. He kept that kid in line.. I think Iroh is an interesting, well rounded character... He's Ixxp for sure. A witty one. He really stabilizes Zuko.

    Anyhoo you guys can see how much this show touches my heart lolol. Zuko is a frustrated, abused, mentally disturbed and broken so its hard to pinpoint an exact type.

    Anyways I'm a bit tipsy as a write this lol.

    Aang - He's really young but very emotionally mature. Not sure about his type yet..
    Katara - Hmmm... ILE. She's a tough cookie
    Sokka - Infantile strategist NT
    Toph - Muahh xoxo my favourite, a super bold and cute SLI
    Suki - SEE/ESI
    Azula - SEE who's the golden child of the Beta ST Firelord
    Mai - This girl is interesting.. She might be a super dark SEE (Always motivated by violence and boredom)
    Fire Lord - LSI or SLE-Ti
    Ursa (Zuko and Azula's Mom - NF (maybe IEI/EII?? Not much info on her)
    Bumi - Infantile NT

    Anyways, yes this show is more Alpha biased based on the good vs bad guys.. I think the creators are exceptionally "clever" though to display aspects each quadra (in the socionics system). It's kind of freaky how everything is fitting so nicely into place o_o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Has anyone seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender

    Let me start out by saying that I know this is a kids show on Nickelodeon. I don't care. It's good. Travis and I watched it as a mother son thing, and I looked forward to the episodes even more than he did.

    Aang: ESFp
    Katara: Exxj (Te > Fe probably)
    Sokka: ESTp
    Toph Bei Fong: ISTp
    Zuko: xxFx (probably he's my second favorite character)
    Azula: ENFj
    Iroh: xNxx (he's my favorite character <3 I thought perhaps a wise old INFp?)
    Mai: IxTx
    Suki: xxxx
    Ty Lee: ISFp?
    Admiral Zhao: ESTp?

    Anyways, as typical with fictional characters, not all fit into specific types very well.
    Aang: ENFp-0 7w6
    Zuko: ISFj-Se 9w8
    Katara: ESFj-Si 2w1
    Sokka: ISTj-Ti 6w5
    Master Piandao: ESTj-Si 9w8
    Iroh: ISFp-Si 2w3
    Suki: ISFj-Se 3w4
    Ty Lee: ESFp-0 7w6
    Mai: ISTp-Si 1w2
    Azula: INTp-Te 5w6
    Ozai: ESTj-Si 8w9
    Toph: ESTp-Se 8w9
    Yue (moongirl): INFp-Fe 5w4
    Admiral Zhao: ESTp-Ti 8w7

    Great show

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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    Aang: ENFp-0 7w6
    Zuko: ISFj-Se 9w8
    Katara: ESFj-Si 2w1
    Sokka: ISTj-Ti 6w5
    Master Piandao: ESTj-Si 9w8
    Iroh: ISFp-Si 2w3
    Suki: ISFj-Se 3w4
    Ty Lee: ESFp-0 7w6
    Mai: ISTp-Si 1w2
    Azula: INTp-Te 5w6
    Ozai: ESTj-Si 8w9
    Toph: ESTp-Se 8w9
    Yue (moongirl): INFp-Fe 5w4
    Admiral Zhao: ESTp-Ti 8w7

    Great show
    Oh, I would type some of these characters differently now.

    Aang: IEE
    Zuko: ESI
    Katara: ESE
    Sokka: ILE
    Iroh: too Tao to type
    Suki: I don't recall
    Ty Lee: SEI
    Mai: ILI
    Azula: Beta af
    Ozai: don't recall
    Toph: SLE
    Yue (moongirl): don't recall
    Admiral Zhao: don't recall
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    Finally someone who thinks Zuko is ESI

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    I watched this for the first time ever last week. I'm constantly reeling in the impulse to talk about it all the time.

    Aang: IEE-Ne
    Katara: LSE-Si
    Sokka: ILE-Ti
    Appa: best
    Toph: SLI-Te
    Zuko: ESI-Se
    Iroh: SEI-Si
    Azula: EIE-Ni
    Mai: ILI-Ni
    Ty Lee: SEI-Fe

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    Last air bander characters

    Aang: Delta NF wize, moralizing, love create close relationship with other, imaginative, love harmony.

    Katara: ESI. she is good for taking care of other and is aware of her own emotional needs (Fi). she can be a bit bossy and determined (Se valuing).

    Sokka: SLE, (not ILE) he is far more interested by being a strategic leader who manage other rather than understand new phenomena (Ne). he also have the hierarchic ambition of beta.

    Toph: SLI, she is relaxed and love external stimuli,Skeptical and is often good to pointing other's default to the surface (Te creative).

    Zuko: LSI, desire to find his hierarchic post again, rigid and uncompromizing (Ti base), bossy and strong willed in his objective (Se creative).

    Hiro: ESE always bring a positive joke on the surface(Fe), love rest and contemplate the beauty and the sensory harmony of the universe (Si). he perfectly fit to the bonvivant archetype.

    Azula: Beta extrovert

    Ozai: SLE he want to conquer the world and have great strategic skill (Se supported by Ti)


    Legend of Korra Characters


    Korra: SEE :Se base goal oriented, easely use agression, forceful, blunt, no nonsense + Ti vulnerable: don't care about the rules and break it easely

    Bolin ESE: sympathic and present oriented gamma SF

    Mako: SLI (he desire harmony, above all), detached attitude of Fe porl

    Asami: ILI ,learn with past's experience (Ni) inventive resourcefull use of Te mechanic understanding .

    Tenzin: LII , rule following, strict, rigid(Ti). but interested in the hidden potential of Korra (Ne)

    Amon: LSI consumed by his static ideology, see people as member of categories, IJ stature. Se ability to organize his minions to achieve his goal.

    Tarlok: SEE (typical ambitious politician who can charm his ennemies)

    Kuvira: SLE to the max

    Unalak: EIE mystical sect leader

    Zaheer: EII anarchist

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    Aang: IEE 7w6 so/sx (typical social 7 wanting a better future for everyone and typical delta NF ideologies)
    Katara: ESE-Si (definitely a caregiver if not ESE, and very much an EJ) 2w1 seems accurate and explains the differences from typical ESEs because most are Fe sub and 2w3
    Sokka: ILE-Ti (strengthened 4D Te explains his good planning skills and leadership which on other forums I’ve seen make people get confused on whether he’s a P or J when also taking into account his goofy humor and slobbery; also makes him more Beta ST-ish/grounded)
    Zuko: ESI-Se (notice how Aang supervises him )
    Azula: LIE (lots of 8 and 3 influence but I can’t decide which one is stronger, her breakdown was well written)
    Ty Lee: SEE-Fi 3w2 (impulsive - ran away and joined a circus, loves attention, ran away because she wanted to be an individual and stand out compared to her sisters - Fi, activity partners with Azula, zero Ti, come on)
    Mai: ILI-Ni (I ADORE her notice how her and Ty Lee ditch Azula and remain friends - DUALS)
    Iroh: SEI, possibly IEI, either way he’s old and developed his role function
    Toph: SLI

    I might add more later
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    @Makuta SLE is a possible alternative because sokka is difficult to type, but i disagree that he doesn't care about Ne?

    he doesn't get enough personal airtime to effectively flesh out his personality, but he realizes himself best in situations where an element of invention is at play. whether it be tangible inventions, such as when he helped the mechanist by offering a unique solution to his long-term dilemma involving the hot air balloon, despite the fact that the machinist was a qualified engineer, and sokka had little formal education in engineering (which is what i personally think sokka would've been doing full-time if he had the opportunities, resources) or devising unique strategies to difficult problems, and he consistently altered these strategies in response to drawbacks i.e. when sokka and zuko wanted to infiltrate the prison, it was sokka who brainstormed idea after idea, and every idea was rooted in understanding the underlying mechanisms (alternatively: phenomena) of the prison. it's sokka's mental acuity that consistently got him and his friends out of seemingly hopeless situations, but his physical drawbacks were consistently the butt of their jokes, which was in part due to his lack of bending abilities, but it was just as evident when he tried swordsmanship. he can come up with as many strategies as possible, but he's almost never taken it upon himself to command around human resources unless nobody else was willing to step up to the plate (which was usually the case with his friends, but when his father came into the picture - a strong, effective leader - then he quickly faded into the background). he even demonstrated surface-level manifestations of Ne when he randomly showed up to that haiku night and nearly beat a skilled poet.

    @Without Warning that's an interesting typing for Ty Lee actually.

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    He use Ne but it's clearly not his main interest. he don't Care about it.

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    oof you got me there

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    I've seen only season 1 so far.
    Aang is obvious IEE.
    Katara seems SEI to me. And so is Iroh.
    Sokka is probably ILE.
    Jet is definitely Beta or Gamma extrovert, most likely SEE.
    Yue is EII.
    I am not sure about Zuko. He is definitely Beta though.

    My favorite characters are Aang, Katara and Iroh.

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    Just watched the entire series (again) kind of. I watched when I was younger but didn't really understand it, watching it again made me appreciate it so much more. Such an amazing show!! Seriously, it makes me wish I lived there

    I was just thinking about their enneagrams:

    Ty Lee: 2w3
    Azula: 8w9
    Aang: 7w6
    Sokka: 6w7
    Toph: 9w8
    Mai: 9w8
    Katara: 1w2
    Iroh: 9w1
    Ozai: 8w7
    Zuko: 3w4
    Appa: 9w1


    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moou View Post
    Just watched the entire series (again) kind of. I watched when I was younger but didn't really understand it, watching it again made me appreciate it so much more. Such an amazing show!! Seriously, it makes me wish I lived there

    I was just thinking about their enneagrams:

    Ty Lee: 2w3
    Azula: 8w9
    Aang: 7w6
    Sokka: 6w7
    Toph: 9w8
    Mai: 9w8
    Katara: 1w2
    Iroh: 9w1
    Ozai: 8w7
    Zuko: 3w4
    Appa: 9w1


    Thoughts?
    Agree with most of these.
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    Just finished watching yesteryday... pretty good IMO

    Aang: IEE

    Katara: ESE
    Sokka: ILE
    Suki: SEI
    Yue: IEI
    Zuko: ESI
    Azula: ILI
    Ozai: SLE
    Ty Lee: SEE
    Mai: SLI
    Iroh: EII
    Toph: LSI
    Bumi: ILI
    Hakoda: LSE
    Gyatso: SEI
    Roku: LII
    Zhao: LSI
    Jet: EIE
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    Aang- IEI
    Katara - EIE
    Sokka - SLE
    Toph - SLI?
    Zuko - LSI
    Iroh - xxFx
    Bumi -ILE

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    I’ll work from the following list as it’s both nicely comprehensive and wants little adjustment. Typings that are struck through shall be discussed below. Typings in green are spot on. The ones I haven't commented on nor struck through all seem OK; one simply can't say for certain, typically because a character is less developed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Living 2Day View Post
    Just finished watching yesteryday... pretty good IMO

    Aang: IEE
    Katara: ESE

    Sokka: ILE
    Suki: SEI
    Yue: IEI
    Zuko: ESI
    Azula: ILI
    Ozai: SLE
    Ty Lee: SEE
    Mai: SLI

    Iroh: EII
    Toph: LSI
    Bumi: ILI
    Hakoda: LSE
    Gyatso: SEI
    Roku: LII
    Zhao: LSI
    Jet: EIE
    Sokka probably isn’t ILE. Too grounded, always interested in practical matters, only daydreams about girls and food (no alternative scenarios), and becomes pushy and irritable when there’s too much faffing about (not an α-type). His pushiness though is a faux sort most of the time —typical of id block Se. (Arguably it could be role Se as well, only most descriptions have it down as id Se.) Anyway some forumites believe only intuitive types are creative… this is a misconception. His type of practical cleverness is sufficiently accounted for by 4D Te. LSE can have a fairly relaxed, sporting type for Ej
    Also, remember his stupid little timetable in the third arc? No self-respecting intuitive will spend time planning 'potty breaks' two weeks in advance. Ni PoLR fits.

    Not sure about Suki and Yue... 2D characters haven't really got sociotypes.

    Azula’s an incredible strategist, but she can’t be ILI. She’s too self-motivated, too readily jumps into the centre of things, and sort of garish when it comes to flirting. Her relationship to Si must be ignoring or PoLR; internally restless, always moving. Fi also isn’t stronger than 1D. SLE is possible, but she’s just a bit too clueless and awkward so Si-PoLR, viz., LIE, is more likely. The forum tends to perceive SLE as incorrigible hotheads but they can plan as well; they’ve creative Ti after all.

    Iroh is imo the second most mistyped character in ATLA; he really can't be EII. I think he's SEI, like Nelliel from Bleach (the sophisticated adult form of Nel -- the child form is probably IEE). Unlike EII, alpha SF have the capacity for skill when it comes to the art of war, only they tend to become disillusioned and philosophically reject their id block at some point. Iroh even gets typed IEI; this comes from the misapprehension that SEI cannot be wise and high-minded, which is absurd. Fundamental to his character is a connection with the earthier aspects of life; he's a lover of music and various art forms; and he doesn't bathe unless he feels like it (and then for the pleasure of the experience and not to clean himself) which is most true of lead sensoric types

    Toph is the most mistyped character; nearly everyone seems to think she's SLI, although...
     

    Toph genuinely enjoys fighting and wants to try her hand in the arena as a small child. Judicious types are unlikely to approach dangerous competition with such relish. She also talks like a β type, calling people 'bleeding coward' and 'stinking maggot' and things. She’s introduced as someone who’s methodical and capable of waiting; Ti base would fit well. Strong sensorics allows her to 'see' in spite of blindness. Like any β-ST type, she could not tolerate weakness for long, and actively, but not rashly, took control of her situation. Katara (probably ESE) attempts to adjust Toph’s methods to something gentler, but Toph will not entertain such suggestions. This isn’t SLE either; she remains more or less obediently in her prescribed station in life till an ethical appeal (with far-reaching connotations) causes her to leave home, not to slip out the back door as an ILI might be tempted to do (why anyone types her ILI when she sees with her feet…), but to plainly tell her parents exactly what she’s planning, because that’s simply polite.
    Her relationship with Aang probably provides a healthy example of conflict in sociotypes. They don’t despise one another for all eternity; they do attempt to work together; their relationship isn’t categorised by disrespect and aversion. It just isn’t as successful as it could be; a third party is usually required to bridge the slight chasm.

    Bumi's clever and patient and loves messing with people. ILI isn't a bad typing... I had thought unhinged LIE because of his madcap persona but ILI is possible.

    The four nations correspond rather neatly to socionics quadra as well:
    α -- air, philosophical detachment; on the other hand, freedom and fun
    β -- fire, restrictive and dominant; fire is the strongest in battle; has some ouroboros qualities
    γ -- earth, empires and political intrigue; power is not obtained through overt action but subversive tactics and brainwashing
    δ -- water, somewhere off the beaten track; can be a bit bureaucratic when they do form hierarchies

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackass View Post
    Finally someone who thinks Zuko is ESI
    do you suppose he’s e4

    In my head I can’t stop pronouncing this character’s name Zhuko (住口) —joking aside, others evidently think him a bit fiery for ESI, but when in Rome… the fire nation are clearly the most β sort, whereas Zhuko’s got the most quintessentially gamma story anywhere; an incessant struggle from a very young age, and his repeated line about having been lucky to be born. His Fi seems as if he's attempted to devalue it (honour instead of a separate kind of virtue) but he’s adhering to a moral code of his own, and if slightly misguided, he is at least not regarding situations with anything resembling pragmatism. Zuko he’s one of those Ij types who live in perpetual rage and irritation. He takes everything too personally, not enough dry humour for LSI.

    His knife-throwing specialist girlfriend could be ILI but she gives very direct orders and her speech is a bit prosaic which makes ISTx a bit more likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theum nathair View Post
    I’ll work from the following list as it’s both nicely comprehensive and wants little adjustment. Typings that are struck through shall be discussed below. Typings in green are spot on. The ones I haven't commented on nor struck through all seem OK; one simply can't say for certain, typically because a character is less developed.
    ________

    Azula’s an incredible strategist, but she can’t be ILI. She’s too self-motivated, too readily jumps into the centre of things, and sort of garish when it comes to flirting. Her relationship to Si must be ignoring or PoLR; internally restless, always moving. Fi also isn’t stronger than 1D. SLE is possible, but she’s just a bit too clueless and awkward so Si-PoLR, viz., LIE, is more likely. The forum tends to perceive SLE as incorrigible hotheads but they can plan as well; they’ve creative Ti after all.
    So3, image orientated, needs recognition for being the best, basically fixation on efficiency hence LIE/Te base. Visionary, makes big promises and attempts to show and flex her potential, which is an extroverted intuitive trait. Stale social skills, obviously not high in Fi/Fe

    Iroh is imo the second most mistyped character in ATLA; he really can't be EII. I think he's SEI, like Nelliel from Bleach (the sophisticated adult form of Nel -- the child form is probably IEE). Unlike EII, alpha SF have the capacity for skill when it comes to the art of war, only they tend to become disillusioned and philosophically reject their id block at some point. Iroh even gets typed IEI; this comes from the misapprehension that SEI cannot be wise and high-minded, which is absurd. Fundamental to his character is a connection with the earthier aspects of life; he's a lover of music and various art forms; and he doesn't bathe unless he feels like it (and then for the pleasure of the experience and not to clean himself) which is most true of lead sensoric types

    Toph is the most mistyped character; nearly everyone seems to think she's SLI, although...
    [spoiler="she is obviously β"] [/QUOTE]

    She is likely to bully/tease those she sees as weaker, overall she is sp8, which is SLE either way. Iroh being all lazy and comfort seeking is a heavy indication of Si base overall, being calm and attempting to relax other people is a Si+Fe thing, Iroh was always a peaceful person, but he was well capable of fighting. Generally being non-aggressive is a Te polar thing, EXIs can be like that too until you start pushing them too much.

    do you suppose he’s e4

    In my head I can’t stop pronouncing this character’s name Zhuko (住口) —joking aside, others evidently think him a bit fiery for ESI, but when in Rome… the fire nation are clearly the most β sort, whereas Zhuko’s got the most quintessentially gamma story anywhere; an incessant struggle from a very young age, and his repeated line about having been lucky to be born. His Fi seems as if he's attempted to devalue it (honour instead of a separate kind of virtue) but he’s adhering to a moral code of his own, and if slightly misguided, he is at least not regarding situations with anything resembling pragmatism. Zuko he’s one of those Ij types who live in perpetual rage and irritation. He takes everything too personally, not enough dry humour for LSI.

    His knife-throwing specialist girlfriend could be ILI but she gives very direct orders and her speech is a bit prosaic which makes ISTx a bit more likely.
    Matter as fact, Zuko is sp4. Zuko was still kicked out of the fire nation from a young age when he spoke out against his father's wishes, critiquing generals on what repulses him about their plans(Fi, likes, dislikes, relations, etc). Zuko valuing Fi, relations, he tries to be set himself to find the avatar to regain his Father's admiration. However, his mother preferred him over his sister for his sensitivity, while his sister was obviously a demon child in her eyes. If anything, Zuko fails to suppress his Fi, holding onto his role Ti to try to save his relations, only being a way to seek love from his father and close ones but isn't genuinely fixiated on any ideal.

    Zuko doesn't think "a real man has to be a soldier in order to be a man." He is sure of himself for the most part.

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    Aang- IEE
    Katara- ESE
    Sokka- LIE
    Toph- SLE
    Zuko- EII
    Iroh- EIE
    Azula- LIE
    Jet- SLE
    Ty Lee- SEE

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