Erotic Attitudes: the line between "Aggressor" and "Victim"

[Joy]

Introversion/Extroversion can confuse matters because the extrovert is often the one who initiates relationships. Other than that, I think the line between aggressor and victim is much more skewed in Gamma than it is in Beta, from my observations and understanding of Beta duality.

[Olimpia]

Introversion/Extroversion can confuse matters because the extrovert is often the one who initiates relationships. Other than that, I think the line between aggressor and victim is much more skewed in Gamma than it is in Beta, from my observations and understanding of Beta duality.

^This.

Generally speaking, Aggressors and Childlike types (being static) are the "initiators", however Introversion can weaken this tendency.
While Extroversion can weaken the tendency of Victims and Childlikes to be "receptive" and make them a bit more initiative.

Due to this, I treat ESI and (perhaps the odd LSI-2Ti) as "Pseudo-Victims".
I've seen the term before, and find it applies very well to ESI-Fi (and some very Ti "heavy" LSIs), because of their HA and heightened introversion. SEE-Fi people may also be sort of "Pseudo-Victims", the counterpart to their Dual who is "Pseudo-Aggressor". But this effect is much less apparent than with ESIs. I've found especially the female ESI-Fi can feel and act like Victims sometimes (primarily in the beginning of interactions), and even more so when they are Type 4. (You could argue all Type 4s feel like "Victims" in some way or another, because of their psychology and tendency towards depression and self-abasement at unhealthy levels. This kind of "Victimhood" is not truly the same as Gulenko intends, but 4s who self-type will readily relate to that Romance Style more than the Aggressor or possibly even Childlike one. Besides that, any Withdrawn Enneagram type will feel more like a "receptive" than an "initiative" person, and the opposite would apply to Assertive types).

And as I have already alluded to, gender (role) and possibly sex can also influence quite significantly whether someone is going to be more like their Romance Style or not (outwardly).

Generally speaking, most men strive towards being more like an Aggressor, whether they actually are one or not. With females, I see that they tend to strive towards being either more like a Victim or a Caretaker – either way, being more like a "dynamic" type that is on the "receiving" end of the interaction. Whether they embrace the Victim or Caretaker role typically depends on which IE they value: or , and how strong they are at this IE.

That results in female leads not being as direct and aggressive as one would expect from Aggressors, especially the SEE-Fi females try to be more "coquettish" and "alluring" opposed to downright direct and "aggressive". They will throw a lot of hints, make intense eye contact, touch you (aka put a hand on your shoulder), wink at you, etc etc. But that is typically as far as they will go.

On the other hand, male EIEs can end up pursuing a woman of their affections sort of relentlessly (which could be confused for "Aggressor" behaviour), but in a fashion that would resemble the "courtly love" of troubadours from the Middle Ages the most. In fact, I get the impression the troubadour archetype is EIE.

 

I am pretty sure Ewan McGregor plays an EIE in this movie.

Male LIEs are typically very obviously "Pseudo-Aggressor", I don't feel like adding too much about their behaviour here.
Just two words: Christian Grey.


To summarize, the main factors that influence the expression of one's romance style are:
Introversion vs Extroversion, Hidden Agenda, Gender (and possibly Sex), Enneagram type.

Aspects that make you seem more like a "receptive" romance style, aka Victim or Caretaker:
Strong(er) Introversion, or HA, Female, Withdrawn Enneagram type (4, 5, 9), and likely 1D or .

Aspects that make you seem more like an "initiative" romance style, aka Aggressor or Childlike:
Strong(er) Extroversion, or HA, Male, Assertive Enneagram type (3, 7, 8), and likely 1D or .