Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan
Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan
EFFECTS OF IRRATIONALITY AND RATIONALITY
In theory, having a dominant rational functions causes people to be more straightforward about decisions and an actions. Rational functions appear to be less changeable than irrational ones. Therefore, a person with a dominant rational function might be more inclined to follow a plan and to do what was planned. Activities might be more straightforward ("I decided to do x, and so x is what I did.")

In theory, having a dominant perceiving function causes people to be more changeable in their activities, as their differing perceptions lead them to go in various directions. For this reason, when afforded the opportunity, irrational types might be expected to prefer less planning, or less detailed planning, or at least to be more inclined to diverge from their plans, as their need to engage their perceptions causes them to want to continue with an activity longer than was planned, or to engage in activities that weren't planned in advance (or even forseen). In particular, irrational types may be expected to sometimes "lose themselves" in their activities; indeed, the common notion of "losing oneself" in something may be a perfect description for engaging the perceiving functions; and, according to a lot that has been said in Socionics, it would seem this would pertain to some extent to any perceiving function...Ne, Ni, Si, and Se.
this is MBTI clutter. to be honest, i don't see these sorts of viewpoints as being particularly prevalent or a significant source of confusion in socionics.
No, I'm relying totally on descriptions of rational/irrational in Socionics writings. As I'm sure you know, MBTI would relate the behaviors associated here with irrationality with having an extraverted irrational function. I've documented descriptions of rationality and irrationality in Socionics in other posts, but here's a recap:

http://www.socionics.com/main/types.htm
http://www.socionics.us/theory/rat_irr.shtml
http://socioniko.net/en/index.html (click on Introduction into Socionics, and go to Part2)

Interestingly, Sergei Ganin has written a short article where his interpretation of rationality/irrationality as relating rationality to being habitually punctual, organized, etc., is especially clear: http://www.socionics.com/advan/phenomenon.html

So anyhow, this thread isn't about Socionics&MBTI. I'm talking purely about stuff written in Socionics.
As to whether these differing interpretations are related to the various conflicts of viewpoints that exist, well I guess it's hard to point it out if you don't "see" it; I'd say, just look at the vast scope of the posts on this forum. I guess it's your word against mine there; to document it all probably wouldn't be useful at this point.
sorry... i can't buy this.

first of all, i throw out all material written by sergei ganin as written by an organism with the same knowledge of socionics as that of a meatball, and therefore unreliable.

rather, rick's site fails to uphold this idea, instead holding that "rationals act according to their expectation of a situation" (from which often results a plan, but not always), while "irrationals act on impulse."


basically, this idea might have some validity in terms of correlation to socionic type, but is not a result of socionic type since the presence of planning is at all universal.