im really not interested enough in the topic to debate you.Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
lefty
enfj
4w5
im really not interested enough in the topic to debate you.Originally Posted by Slacker Mom
lefty
enfj
4w5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rasmussen
He's very very LSI-like. Believe me. Only LSI are obsessive like that... his behaviour sounds somewhat autistic.
I agree on Rasmussen. I know plenty of LSI road cyclists. They are the most painful adversaries. Extreme resistance, willpower, and they will not let you know they are on the verge of exploding until they actually explode (in comparison to most other adversaries that tend to give off visible clues about their bodily states). The latter trait is especially hard to take for me. They tend to be sore losers, too.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Negreanu might be ILE.
IEI - the nasty kind...
By photos alone - yes, ISTj.Originally Posted by machintruc
Saint Thomas Aquinas - he's probably LSI
Would you consider Peta Wilson to be LSI?
What the hell are you babbling about?! This is becoming totally embarrassing! Being obsessive has nothing to do with being LSI and NO, I don't believe you. You're too insane obsessed anti-LSI. And no wonder you don't like LSIs - you can't even type them and every "bad guy" ends up being typed as LSI in your book.
This guy doesn't look LSI to me. I have a very odd way of seeing faces, but this guy reminds me of FDG. And at the same time he looks a bit like INTp with high adrenaline.
EIE, ENFj, intuitive subtype.
E3 (probably 3w4)
Cool ILI hubbys are better than LSIs any time!
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Definitely LSI:
The Edge
& visit http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DN
Giorgio Armani, probably a 000 or 0-0 variant. He's known to be a perfectionistic leader. Not a retarded dictator, though.
The sun was not kind to him.Originally Posted by machintruc
Here you can discuss other peoples examples in the thread LSI examples
I think I agree about Wiesler being LSI. When I saw that movie I was kind of going back and forth between LSI and LII. But I think that it was more often towards LSI.
LII is a real possibility but he doesn't fit the intuitive dictomy and I see him rarely use in any situation. Most of the time he is practical and highly aware of his surroundings, he uses threats on peoples careers in an way but not like his colleges, instead he reports them in a way.
What I like about his character is it shows him developing throughout the film, at first he is cold and merciless with his , but once he realizes their is no real justice in what is being done, he develops his showing compassion for georgs situation. I think Honecker is SLE and Georg is likely an ethical type. Like I said I really like the transformation his character undergoes, its one of the rare examples of a LSI protagonist.
I think you could be accurate, but I think something like ILI or LII could work too, he has a crazy sort of or vibe sometimes..... but I can see LSI too, the problem is the office is comedy and therefore you can't take his character seriously by definition.
but my favorite quotes are
"Why would you want to raise your cholestrol?"
"To lower it"
and the whole rant about the ladies room
He does sort of remind me of alot of the stupid things one of my LSI friend says
As per request for lists of famous betas by type, here are a few celebrity LSIs... (Sorry it's not more exhaustive--it's whoever comes to mind while writing... I'll try to give examples of both subtypes.)
Michael Jordan (Ti)
Kevin Garnett (Se)
Lou Reed
Lisa-Marie Presley
Eddie Van Halen
William S. Burroughs
Johnny Cash (Ti)
Pat Buchanan (Se)
Che Guevara
Mark Wahlberg
Yoko Ono
Hulk Hogan
Dick Cheney
James Dean
Hilary Clinton (Ti)
Meat Loaf (Se)
Larry Bird
Miko Brando
Nancy Reagan
Drew Peterson
Meryl Streep
Brooke Shields
Tatum O’Neal
Quincy Jones
Joan Jett
etc.
Please add your own examples to the list.
I agree with a good amount of these, but think that Cheney, Hogan and Bird are most likely delta STs (LSE for the first two, SLI for the latter).
A few others:
Chris Langan (Se)
Joe Scarborough (Ti)
Sting (Se)
Richard Wagner (Ti)
I agree with those as ISTj.
I'm beginning to think that we've had some Se and Ti subtypes mixed up... It might not be true, but it's an educated hypothesis at this point... Se-ISTjs tend to be abrupt, shift quickly, fluid, more excitable etc. Whereas the Ti-ISTjs tend to be more quiet, speak more slowly, etc.)
I'm gonna keep investigating it... If true, I'm an Fe-ENFj. If not, I'm an Ni-ENFj... I've found that my exact dual is the quieter, more steady subtype.
Yes, I agree about those differences in subtype. If you are considering J-sub again, perhaps Fe-IEI is plausible.
4w3-5w6-8w7
Hogan - LSE (duh..?)
Cheney - LIE
Larry Bird - SLI>LSE (compare to Jordan, an actual LSI)
Meryl Streep - I favor ESI over LSI, but I suppose its possible.
I had thought of Johnny Cash as more Gamma SF, but the comparison to Clive Owen (who should certainly be added to this list) makes me see LSI more.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
You think these people value Fi>Fe..?
I'm interested in how you type people--I mean, the difference between Delta and Beta is pretty big (duh..?) Do you perceive individual functions, e.g. "he's projecting Se," or no?
I'd think Hulk Hogan would be a pretty obvious example of projecting Se--not because of his profession, but because of his demeanor. (Compare Hulk Hogan in his 30s w/ Kevin Garnett now.) Also, his ex-wife, girlfriend, and kids are pretty obvious Betas... Which is telling.
I know less about the other two people, but definitely disagree with typing them Fi valuers.
Arguing specific LSI celebrities doesn't interest me much here... I'm more interested if you know some other LSIs not listed.
I just think Hulk Hogan is LSE; he seems EJ>IJ and just...seems Delta. Too goofy, too much of his image is based in assumed self-effacement to be a Beta. Think of Mr. T, another LSE.
I suppose Cheney could be LSI ("The Mastermind"), but he seems more EJ than IJ to me personally. Also his Se has a compensatory feel; then again maybe he is just a 5.
And, like I said, I think Clive Owne should go on your list of LSIs, especially given the comparison to Johnny Cash.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
LSI. Krunoslav Borovec.
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/557917-post5.html
Gaze reminds me of mysticsonic, whose type I'm not set on.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Yes Good calls on Clive Owen, Putin, and Dr. Phil--and based on looks alone, Borovec too (more about why Borovec 'looks LSI,' down to the subtype, below.) Thank you all.
If anyone thinks of any other LSI celebrities, please post. This thread's good stuff.
Re: why Borovec "looks LSI:"
Borovec has one of the common LSI gazes/demeanors. Specifically, one of the Ti-LSI subtype gazes/demeanors--similar to C. Owen's... The other Ti-LSI gaze/demeanor is typified by Quincy Jones'. Perhaps needless to say, C. Owen's and Q. Jones' personalities come across differently; however--if my above post's hypothesis about subtypes is correct--they're both examples of the same type/subtype.
Compared with Se-LSIs, Ti-LSIs come across as more restrained (physically and in terms of expression, esp. emotional expression,) slower-moving, and less animated/rapid in terms of facial expressions. Generally, their gestures are smoother/rounder, and their speech/intonation is less abrupt. In terms of Socionics temperament, Ti-ISTjs can come across stereotypically as 'Ip.'
Re: the Se-LSI subtype:
Like its counterpart, (and for that matter, every type/subtype,) the Se-LSI subtype also has common gazes/demeanors. Se-LSI males are typified by celebrities such as James Dean, Kevin Garnett, Billy Idol, and Pat Buchanan.
If anyone wants to talk about any of this, I'd REALLY like to... The common gazes/demeanors of the various types/subtype has been my main Socionics interest for quite awhile now.
If you'd explain the lingo, I'd appreciate it... I want to know what you mean.
Last edited by JuJu; 11-18-2009 at 04:16 AM.
Yes. Borovec is Ti subtype. Here are some VIdeos:
#1: serious.
SEEbiz.eu - Video Player - Krunoslav Borovec, PU Zagreba?ka, o istrazi ubojstva Ive Pukani?a
#2: more casual conversation.
I'm just referring to simple subtypes – Fe-INFp = J-sub, Ni-INFp = P-sub, etc. The terminology doesn't really matter.Originally Posted by JuJu
4w3-5w6-8w7
Here's a celebrity LSI typing that I doubt many will agree with (at first... until, as in the past, people start thinking about it and then reconsidering it... And then agreeing with it.)
* Johnny Depp = LSI
For LSI:
* his wife, Vanessa Paradis, is ENFj
* his ex-gf, kate moss, is ENFj
* his ex, winona ryder, is beta NF
* his most frequent creative partner, Tim Burton, is (probably, haven't investigated enough to say for sure,) Ni-ENFj
I haven't met enough male LSIs of this particular demeanor to say with certainty whether they're Ti-LSIs or Se-LSIs... Personally, I've gotten along with them well--better than with most Se-ISTjs. To me, they've seemed laid-back and laconic compared with male Se-LSI benchmarks... (I.e. closer in demeanor to Ti-LSI Clive Owen than Se-LSIs Kevin Garnett and Pat Buchanan.) Makes me think Ti-LSI might be it, but I can't say for sure which subtype is correct.
Last edited by JuJu; 11-18-2009 at 08:16 AM.
Mr. T seems SLE, probably Hogan too. They have a purposely intimating image that seems odd for an LSE. I think most EII's would agree that they wouldn't feel "safe" around them
I think these people may be LSI's
Christian Bale
Russell Crowe
Catherine Zeta Jones
Christina Hendricks
EII INFj
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