my type

[olduser]

lsi, sli, ili, sle, lse, or ile? I don't really know. I've been trying really hard to understand my actions lately, but it doesn't really make sense. I am very demanding person in all facets of my life. I have a really hard time understanding my talents and abilities and see every opportunity as one for improvement. If I complete one task I automatically start questioning myself whether I should pursue the task/interest further. And really wondering if it's an area in which I am skilled. This invades my professional/social/personal choices.

An old friend called me recently and we were talking about getting together and near the end of our conversation he says, "well, it's really good to hear from you, heath." My face formed a sneer. I said, "Yeah, it's good to hear from you, too..." But after that-- it wasn't so good to hear from him.

I don't know what is pertinent. I'm trying not to spin any of my explanations in the direction of a specific type.

[FDG]

istj imho

i see your opinions/attitudes on life as similar to mine in many things, but i think we act on those opinions/attitudes in very differnt ways

[olduser]

istj imho

i see your opinions/attitudes on life as similar to mine in many things, but i think we act on those opinions/attitudes in very differnt ways

I've noticed this as well. We're secret lovers. No, but in all seriousness, I did notice this at some point. We are mirrors that is certain. We just have to be sure which mirrors.

[Kristiina]

I'm sorry heath, I have trouble seeing you as my dual. It seems there is a much bigger chance of us being in the opposite quadras.

[FDG]

I'm sorry heath, I have trouble seeing you as my dual. It seems there is a much bigger chance of us being in the opposite quadras.

ewww i actually see you and him as perfect match!

I've noticed this as well. We're secret lovers. No, but in all seriousness, I did notice this at some point. We are mirrors that is certain. We just have to be sure which mirrors.

To me you give a different vibe than the ILIs around here. Less verbose and more edgy. Like you're holding back being an aggressor

[ScarlettLux]

Heath-y is Beta?

You sure you can handle us? You seemed quite proud of your ISTp status a while back and did the whole unfeeling, cruel, ... act?

I dunno. You still seem ISTp to me.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[vague]

The whole structured/diciplined/somewhat intolerant/hidden goofy side all fit ISTj well. I could definitely see that as the strongest possibility of all the types. Your posts exude in your search for a balanced life but that could also fit under the ISTj need for structure. [I have a difficult time seeing you as an irrational type or an extrovert which discards all of the Si-ego block types] I agree with FDG about the aggressor tendencies.

Plus, you remind me a lot of my ISTj father. Freud must've been right. j/k.

[implied]

you seem way too into personal responsibility and such to be ISTp, not to be dissing ISTps or anything. like you seem like the model student/dad/etc. rational, too. and i could also see you as FDG's mirror.


agreed w/ vague for all the reasons she outlined.

[Slacker]

Ack! Fi is an ISTp value. ISTps can be very responsible. And my husband is a model husband and dad. Though he was not a model student back in the day.

Heath could easily be an ISTp. Or he could be some other introverted thinking type. He doesn't open up much here so it's hard to say from his posts.

[implied]

yeah, i felt dumb after saying that! i think heathie talks a lot about responsibility and being cautious etc more than you typically hear out of ISTps, though. i don't mean to say that ISTps can't be super responsible (like you have pointed out, your husband = model student, dad, etc. not all ISTps are adrenaline-junky types.) he also seems to have a ton of respect for authority and discipline which i just associate more with types than types (i think rocky has pointed this out, too.)

[ScarlettLux]

Ack! Fi is an ISTp value. ISTps can be very responsible. And my husband is a model husband and dad. Though he was not a model student back in the day.

Heath could easily be an ISTp. Or he could be some other introverted thinking type. He doesn't open up much here so it's hard to say from his posts.

This is why I think he gives off a cold, ISTp vibe.

Based on my other thread (seeing as the general consensus SO FAR, is that I'm ENFj, do you really think he could be my Dual? )

[Slacker]

Yeah my husband has no love of authority. I don't think any deltas are into authority. Hey Heath, what is your feeling about following authority figures, doing what you're told, etc?

[FDG]

Ack! Fi is an ISTp value. ISTps can be very responsible. And my husband is a model husband and dad. Though he was not a model student back in the day.

Heath could easily be an ISTp. Or he could be some other introverted thinking type. He doesn't open up much here so it's hard to say from his posts.

This is why I think he gives off a cold, ISTp vibe.

Based on my other thread (seeing as the general consensus SO FAR, is that I'm ENFj, do you really think he could be my Dual? )

You 2 should get married. Already starting to argue like a good enfj istj couple...

[eunice]

Yeah my husband has no love of authority. I don't think any deltas are into authority. Hey Heath, what is your feeling about following authority figures, doing what you're told, etc?

I like and trust authority figures, as long as they don't abuse their positions.

[Mea]

Yeah my husband has no love of authority. I don't think any deltas are into authority. Hey Heath, what is your feeling about following authority figures, doing what you're told, etc?

I like and trust authority figures, as long as they don't abuse their positions.

Really? I kinda dislike them. Not until they prove that they're not acting all "high & mighty"

Eh.. I remember one of heath's post on the delta forum, that kinda made me think ISTj. But I dunno.

[oyburger]

I always thought you were IXTj or possibly ISTp.
Whatever type is witty and cold.

[aestrivex]

based on some of the things you have posted i have always seen you as SLI.

you have championed some ideas that to me seem very Si-oriented. they are scattered throughout a number of old threads, so i will not attempt to find them, but i think some of them are very telling. for instance, there was one time that you bashed those that ponder extensively about the nature as god, instead championing more hands-on and productive activities, which is, in my estimation, very clearly the antithesis of Ni philosophical thought. by itself this is inconclusive, but there are a number of other examples in which i recall similar behavior which i unfortunately cannot remember very well.

[Blaze]

SLI. dont see ILI really. your sense of humor seems different than ILI, who's more sarcastic than you.

[FDG]

for instance, there was one time that you bashed those that ponder extensively about the nature as god, instead championing more hands-on and productive activities, which is, in my estimation, very clearly the antithesis of Ni philosophical thought..

I completely agree with him on that I don't think it shows clear signs of Si, probably only sensing over intuition.

[Joy]

my hunch is Si, possibly a negativist

[ScarlettLux]

NOT an ISTj ... agh, just does not have the "vibe" and I know many ISTjs!

[aestrivex]

for instance, there was one time that you bashed those that ponder extensively about the nature as god, instead championing more hands-on and productive activities, which is, in my estimation, very clearly the antithesis of Ni philosophical thought..

I completely agree with him on that I don't think it shows clear signs of Si, probably only sensing over intuition.

i didn't say that; i think it does demonstrate Si. i have a hard time seeing an LSI act the way he has.

[FDG]

NOT an ISTj ... agh, just does not have the "vibe" and I know many ISTjs!

you just have to know more of them :]

[Kristiina]

Whatever type is witty and cold.

or grumpy and mean. It's all a matter of perception. More often than anyone else, heath has insinuated that I'm one of those shallow giggling girls. Perception. And quadra should have an effect in this, especially duality.

[Kim]

Whatever type is witty and cold.

or grumpy and mean. It's all a matter of perception. More often than anyone else, heath has insinuated that I'm one of those shallow giggling girls. Perception. And quadra should have an effect in this, especially duality.

I don't perceive him as grumpy and mean, so you might have a point. I think he is funny and mostly right on.
My guess is ISTp.

[Slacker]

Whatever type is witty and cold.

or grumpy and mean. It's all a matter of perception. More often than anyone else, heath has insinuated that I'm one of those shallow giggling girls. Perception. And quadra should have an effect in this, especially duality.

I don't perceive him as grumpy and mean, so you might have a point. I think he is funny and mostly right on.
My guess is ISTp.

ENFp #2 who finds him funny and mostly right on.

[FDG]

BAH. He's so painfully ISTj you ENFs always have to contradict everything!

[Mea]

I agree he's funny. But I find niffweed funny too.
Not sure about heath's type. lol.

[Kim]

BAH. He's so painfully ISTj you ENFs always have to contradict everything!

Where do you see an PoLR?

[ScarlettLux]

Whatever type is witty and cold.

or grumpy and mean. It's all a matter of perception. More often than anyone else, heath has insinuated that I'm one of those shallow giggling girls. Perception. And quadra should have an effect in this, especially duality.

EXACTO!!!

He IS grumpy and mean!

A lot of people find ISTjs grumpy & mean & cold but I can see through that.. it's easy to break through ISTjs... and they respond well to Fe. heath? Nah!

[olduser]

Hm. One of the reasons I could be ISTj is Fe > Fi. I have a good example- At work there is an elderly ESTp gentlemen who is always visiting his wife. He makes lots of crude negatory comments often at the expense of other people and residents. Incredibly tactless, but he has a strong sense of personal power and seems like he would do anything to get his way. Several of my co-workers get angry with him for his nasty, immoral attitude. I sort of laugh it off. How can anyone take human drama seriously? A bunch of people are mad--oh no! I don't really care if he is a bad guy because it doesn't matter to me. Fi types seem to overreact and think someone shouldn't be that cruel, but I dunno, he's a pitiful old man.

As for my thoughts on authority. It's okay. I follow the rules for the most part unless I think they are destructive. For example, at work we are supposed to use little plastic bags to move anything(linen, already clean tools, etc) in the hallways. We usually end up throwing away these bags. I refuse to throw more shit on the earth to move clean bedsheets. It would be different if I were trying to maintain sterilization. I usually follow the chain of command at work, but I don't like useless or excessive authority. In example, one of my supervisors got upset with me for switching floors with another worker, and not directly informing her about it( and getting her okay). I'm capable of making these decisions myself and there is NO chance she is going to say no. So why do I have to ask? I have things to do. This is unneccessary and I don't hide my agitation for these useless rules. But if it's an issue of work, such as a problem out of my grasp, I usually submit to the more trained employee rather than taking an unneccessary risk. I don't really require people to be nice to me about work or authority. I usually hear something I need to do and I'm already walking towards the scene before the instructions are finished. You don't have to ask politely for me to do something. I don't require thank yous, or praise.

As for my promotion of Si, or at least what seems to be commonly accepted Si-values. I take care of my health not because I love it, but because I want to keep on top of my tasks. It's a means to an end, not an end itself.

[Joy]

I dunno, that scenario could be interpreted a few ways.

[Mea]

I dunno, that scenario could be interpreted a few ways.

I agree.

[vague]

I dunno, that scenario could be interpreted a few ways.

Yes, but --

How can anyone take human drama seriously? A bunch of people are mad--oh no!

if this is how he views most drama/conflict situations, then it's clearly attitude. dominants have a difficult time laughing off an offending view or what they believe to be an injustice -- they feel a sense of duty to correct or speak out against it. Or at the very least, not make light of it.

[olduser]

I dunno, that scenario could be interpreted a few ways.

Yes, but --

How can anyone take human drama seriously? A bunch of people are mad--oh no!

if this is how he views most drama/conflict situations, then it's clearly attitude. dominants have a difficult time laughing off an offending view or what they believe to be an injustice -- they feel a sense of duty to correct or speak out against it. Or at the very least, not make light of it.

I agree! It's good that people can get upset about injustice, and there is true injustice in the world(starvation, destruction of the earth). But Fi is mostly practically applicable in hearing what someone says and saying, "OH MY GOD I DISAGREE. I'M GOING TO GET UPSET AND HATE THE PERSON." You aren't changing the world you are just being irritable and difficult.

[olduser]

or grumpy and mean. It's all a matter of perception. More often than anyone else, heath has insinuated that I'm one of those shallow giggling girls. Perception. And quadra should have an effect in this, especially duality.

I only insinuated this because you seemed to promote the idea! I thought you were more prissy than anything else. Like you were in need a handbag fix or something
ahahahahah

[Joy]

I'm going to have to disagree. I don't think the issue is as simple as Fe vs. Fi. I think Se comes in to play, too. As do other factors. A logical type, for example, might be less likely to see something like that as a big deal. Also, whether a Fi type cares or does not care would depend entirely on their personal moral point of view on the matter. And a Fe type may care if someone is creating an unfavorable emotional atmosphere.

[Slacker]

You still sound ISTp to me, Heath. The thing about authority - you say, "Authority is fine" and then explain about 6 situations where you have trouble with authority. No where do you say, "The manual says this is what we do and therefore we do it." In fact you seem to feel the opposite. "I'm not going to hurt the earth . . " And leaving an old man alone and not expecting him to fit social mores sounds not contrary at all to someone who values Fi.

[Joy]

And leaving an old man alone and not expecting him to fit social mores sounds not contrary at all to someone who values Fi.

That's what I was thinking. I can picture Fi + Se types having the reaction he described (depending on the circumstances) as well as any logical type.