I find it humorous when you combine the above two statements.Originally Posted by Expat
Anyways, it seems female ENFjs here, especially Kristiina, tend to have very traditional ideas about gender roles. I wonder how much of their opinions are type related and how much a result of culture and upbringing.
I have not had the opportunity to observe male ISTj - female ENFj relationship but I have observed male ISTj - male ENFj work relations. It seems to me that the ENFj more naturally takes on the leader role and actually wants to be and present himself as a strong and capable decision maker. They have a hard time admitting that they have problems in this area.
So, the way I see it the ENFj is the one who "walks ahead" and ISTj comes right behind. On occasions the ENFj starts to hesitate and in these moments the ISTj grabs him and tells him not to hesitate and just keep going. ISTj needs ENFj to show the direction and ENFj needs ISTj's help to stay in that direction (sometimes, not all the time). ISTj calms the ENFj down when they need it the most. I have never ever witnessed total submission of ENFj to ISTj decisions. Instead ENFjs can be somewhat forceful in trying to impose their decisions on other people. Or at least try to be.
Well, this thread is about male ISTj - female ENFj relation but still I would like to know whether e.g. Kristiina sees female ISTjs the same way. Do you want them to make all your decisions too? Or is part / a lot of it about traditional male and female roles. Males should do the decisions and take responsibility. Females should follow and obey.