Harry Potter

[XoX]

Here are Peter's typings from that thread:

Harry - INFj

Ron - ESFp

Hermione - INTp (hehe)

Draco - ESTp

Snape - ISTj

And here are the versions from my link:

Harry - ISFp

Ron - ESFp

Hermione - ISTj

Draco - ESTp

Snape - INTj

So these two sources agree that Ron is ESFp, Draco is ESTp, Snape is IxTj. On Harry and Hermione I can see big differences (ISFp vs INFj and ISTj vs INTp).

[Khamelion]

*loves ron*

[Enters Laughing]

*loves Sirius*

I get the feeling that Snape is only ISTj because he's a Slytherin and he has a motive we don't know about. If we knew what his ultimate goal was like, he actually be INTj.

If you take Harry as part of the narrative (as if read in hindsight), you might get INFj, but I think ISFp certainly fits better.

If Hermione was an INTj, for example, I would think she'd get the point and leave Harry alone half way through the first book. I mean, it's totally OBVIOUS the kid's got childhood problems that no one could hope to understand and is going to rise up and kill Voldemort etc. But I don't think she acts like a ISTj - I doubt ISTj would even believe in house elfs let alone try and help the annoying little so-and-sos.
So, probably some form of INFj?

I don't think Lupin is INFp just because he has an obsession with the moon and werewolves - he actually has a good reason...he is certainly Alpha\Delta -> INxJ (actually, why don't I just type everyone INFj? )

[sara]

hmm.... i like snape. i always feel that he's misunderstood.

[olduser]

i like harry and hermione. Harry because he takes action to do the right thing and hermione because she's the only youth in the story with anything close to foresight.

[Enters Laughing]

hmm.... i like snape. i always feel that he's misunderstood.

So, either you think the whole Dumbledore business is a part of some grand plan, or you're evil and hate Dumbly-wumbly . I think Snape might be good, because it's so obvious he's bad and flawed etc. .

I actually hate the three main characters (I like Harry a bit I suppose) - I'm far more interested in Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs, esp. Padfoot (why wasn't he in book 6, did I miss something?

It's problematic typing Sirius as ENTp, because he's quite aggressive and he is a wizard, not a theorectical physican. But he was smart and looked after his friends so he can't be ESTp, right? .

Meh, one of my biggest regrets is that he isn't my godfather. But life isn't fair .

[Gilly]

Oooh, fun topic. I love Harry Potter.

Harry - INFj

Ron - ESFp

Hermione - INTp (hehe)

Draco - ESTp

Snape - ISTj

Eeeehhh, disagree.

Harry - ENFp-F
Ron - ENTp-N
Hermione - ENTj-T
Draco - ESTp-T
Snape - ISTj - T

[Gilly]

Lord Voldemort - ENTj

Neville Longbottom - INFj

Remus Lupin - ENFp/ENTp - N

Dolores Umbridge - ISTj - S

Luna Lovegood - INFp - N

Professor Slughorn - ????

Moaning Myrtle - ENFj

Dobby the house elf - ESFj

Winky the house elf - ISFj

Cedric Diggory - ISFj

Peter Pettigrew - INFp - F

James Potter - ENFp?

Lily Potter - ENFp? INFj?

Vernon Dursley - ISTj

Aunt Petunia - ENFj

Dudley Dursley - ESTp

Hagrid - ISFp

[Mea]

And what about Cho Chang?

[Enters Laughing]

Gryffindor doesn't seem Beta to me (more like Delta?)

[aestrivex]

this is actually an interesting discussion.

my take- the houses cannot be perfectly correlated with the quadras, but this is a better fit:

alpha- gryffindor. gryffindor is the house that fits the least into a quadra. there are really elements of all quadras in gryffindor. likewise, the idea of "valor and courage" that gryffindor is noted for doesn't really fit into any particular quadra. the only real reason that gryffindor is here is that Fe, honest intentions, and the merry dichotomy all fit with gryffindor. that, and the other quadras fit better this way.

beta- slytherin. this is easy to see in my opinion. ambitiousness and agressive nature are all characteristic of slytherin.

gamma- ravenclaw defaults here. it's not a perfect fit, but the idea of peaceful seclusion, a somber environment, one on one interactions, the "anti-alpha" view of gamma fits reasonably well with ravenclaw's seeming omnipresence of "leave me the fuck alone and let me study for my transfiguration quiz."

delta- hufflepuff, which doesn't really fit anywhere else. "hard work" doesn't really relate to any one quadra over another. the idea of a caring atmosphere and a helping environment is not completely uncharacteristic of hufflepuff, however, and delta makes a good deal of sense.

[Enters Laughing]

Hmm, I can see Hufflepuff being Delta overall (rather than just Alpha SF). Gryffindors are portrayed as noble, fair, courageous etc., which has to be Alpha\Delta, plus there's less emphasis on intelligence (honour + standing up for what is right instead), so I would say Delta (e.g. ST rather than NT, at least stereotypically ). Ravenclaw seem too stuck up and clever to be Alpha mood overall, though they could be INTjs . Slytherin seem to be a mixture of Beta + Gamma (definitely > though).

Gryffindor the character seemed to be ESTp or ESTj in the books if I remember correctly.

[Orest Reinn]

I know it's 2 years old topic, but I've just read 5 parts of HP and have to share my ideas ;]

I'm pretty sure Luna is ENTp - I found her so similar to me ;]
Harry - INFp, or at least ENFj. Especially in Order of Phoenix, where he was often losing his temper and had grievance against his friends. So much of beta theatricalness there was.
Fred & George - ENTp
Hermione - ESTj
Hagrid - ISFp
Snape - INTp
Cho - INFp
Malfoy - ENTj
Neville - ENFp
James Potter - ESTp
Percy - ISTj/ISFj
Molly Weasley - ESFj
Artur Weasley - INTj

[Elro]

Methinks Hermione is LIE.

[Mea]

Hermione: ISTj
Snape: INTp
Ron: probably ENTj?
Hagrid: ISFp
Cho: I think INFp works.
Harry: dunno
Neville: INFj

[717495]

Luna Lovegood - INFp - N

Hah. I love Luna Lovegood. She is my favorite person on the show. I wish I could hang out with her every day and use spells and conduct assumptions on magical knowledge.

[Sirena]

Okay, I'm just now reading these books (currently on book 4) and here are my typings so far:

Harry: IEI
Ron: SEE
Hermione: LIE or LSE (def Te leading) *annoying as hell*
Ginny: ?
Fred & George: ILE
Percy: ESI
Dumbledore: EIE
Hagrid: SEI
Draco: SLE
Snape: LSI
Voldemort: LIE

[Park]

IEE?

[Gilly]

Yup.

Harry - IEE-Fi 3w4 sx/sp
Hermione - LIE-Te 3w2 sp/so
Ron - SEE 7w6 sx/so
Fred and George - Alphas
Voldemort - EIE-Ni 8w7 sx/sp
Malfoy - EIE-Fe 3w2 so/sx
Sirius - ILE-Ti 6w7 sx/so

[silverchris9]

Yup.

Harry - IEE-Fi 3w4 sx/sp
Hermione - LIE-Te 3w2 sp/so
Ron - SEE 7w6 sx/so
Fred and George - Alphas
Voldemort - EIE-Ni 8w7 sx/sp
Malfoy - EIE-Fe 3w2 so/sx
Sirius - ILE-Ti 6w7 sx/so

I'd vote EII over IEE for Harry. I would agree that he's firmly Fi > Fe, and probably not Ti-valuing. The only problem with Harry being EII is that Ron becomes his supervisor (if Ron's SEE), but I definitely don't see how he's Ne-leading. Also, I think he's an introvert, both in the normal sense and in the socionics sense. Another problem is that Ni-ignoring, Fe-demonstrative fits better than Fe-ignoring, Ni-demonstrative, but, honestly, as exciting of a writer as JKR is, she's not exactly the best at character study, so I wouldn't be surprised if socionics types don't fit perfectly onto these characters, at least in the function analysis.

LIE makes sense for Hermione.

I don't know about SEE for Ron. Where is his Se-leading? Ti polr I'd believe in a minute, but I don't see the Se, at least not from what I remember about Ron. Ginny seems much more SEE than Ron, imo. Also, Ron is so awkward and uncertain, and I don't really associate that with Se egos. I see how one would prefer that he be gamma or delta to fit the intertype relationships with Hermione and Harry though.

Fred and George are definitely alpha extroverts. I don't know if they're ILE or ESE (it would make sense if one is ILE and the other is ESE, but I don't *really* remember enough about them individually to say which is which).

EIE makes sense for Voldemort, unfortunately. Se HA for sure.

I guess EIE makes sense for Malfoy... but I'd have to go back and do more analysis to really have a firm opinion about it.

Also, I'm fairly confident that Dumbledore is an Ni-ego. Personally, I think he's IEI (and perhaps Grendelwald was SLE, but that's not where I'd put by bet. Possibly ILI, but there's really not enough information in the books to type him), but EIE is also a possibility.

Also, I definitely do not get a delta vibe from Ginny. She's probably an SEE.

Slytherin is Beta and Gryffindor, Delta, I guess...?

Nah, I don't think so. Dumbledore was in Gryffindor.

[silverchris9]

yeah i think Harry is introverted too, Fi leading.

I kinda wish that he could be ESI, but it doesn't *really* make sense, on the face of it. I don't see him as Ne polr at all, sadly.

[Aiss]

I don't see Hermione as LIE. I realize she's not the stereotypical LII, and it was some time since I've read the books, but I think it makes more sense. I just don't think she has Ni in ego. Luna, on the other hand, comes off as extremely Ni-IxI. Harry seems a Sensor. Possibly SEI?

House-Quadra probably isn't going to work in all cases, but I'd go for
Gryffindor Alpha
Slytherin Beta
Ravenclaw Gamma
Hufflepuff Delta

[Gilly]

Mr. Weasley is Ne-LII, Mrs. Weasley is Si-LSE.

Neville is Ne-EII, 9w1 so/sp.

Gryffindor - Delta
Slytherin - Beta
Ravenclow - Gamma
Hufflepuff - Alpha/Delta

[Gilly]

Luna is probably SEI 4w5 sx/so.

[Mediator Kam]

I love loony luna!

[crazedrat]

gryffindor is too competent to be alpha. they're delta.. more NF delta. hufflepuff... thats where the alphas are.

[717495]

Luna comes across to me as so soft, weak, imaginative, kind of uncertain, always questioning and halted about something, lost in her thoughts, not that much attention to her surroundings, aside from what she chooses to focus on (which isn't really her "surroundings"), and seems to give off a lot of information that she has been or will be seemingly meditating on. Plays the role of being the internally weird and random one. Possibly ILI. Fe PoLR, Fi HA and Te creative, sound correct, if I'm not mistaken.

Idk, maybe I need to go watch clips of her, or watch the movie again. There's a lot about this character that is interesting, but plainly mysterious since she doesn't play a very large role. Could be not enough information.

[Marie84]

Harry- ESI
Hermione- LIE
Ron- SEE-ish
Luna- IEI
Neville- EII
Seamus- SLI-ish
Snape- ILI
Lupin- EII-ish
McGonagall- LSI
Alastor Moody- SLE?
Cho- EIE?
Colin Creevey- IEE-ish
Slughorn- EIE
Dolores Umbridge- ESE

I think the houses value certain IE's rather than specific quadra values...

Gryffindor- Courage, bravery, nerve and chivalry= , Gamma>Delta and Beta

Slytherin- Ambition, cunning, determination, resourcefulness, self-preservation, pure-blood= , , , Beta>Gamma and Alpha

Hufflepuff- Loyalty, Dedication and Hard Work= , Delta and Gamma

Ravenclaw- Intelligence, creativity, learning, and wit= , , , Alpha> Delta, Beta and Gamma NT

[Marie84]

I kinda wish that he could be ESI, but it doesn't *really* make sense, on the face of it. I don't see him as Ne polr at all, sadly.

You know, I don't see the Ne PoLR so much but he seems good at Se, has quite the vengeful streak to him, often running into things without thinking about the consequences, which I guess is rather weak intuition...

[717495]

I'd have to watch it again, but I can see Harry as Se ego. I can usually anticipate what he's thinking of doing next, and before I know he it does it. Or I always know he's going to get into trouble (fail, yeah i know). Where as Se-PoLR characters in movies seem to sort of wait around and communicate their ideas more and need someone to tell them or do it for them. I think that's when harry says "brilliant," when he couldn't have done it himself. So right now I'm undecided. Movies always make this category less analysible

[Gilly]

McGonogall = ESI to the max.

Snape = probably LSI-Ti 5w4 sx/sp.

[Marie84]

McGonogall = ESI to the max.

Snape = probably LSI-Ti 5w4 sx/sp.

You could be right, I'm really not too sure about either of them enough to defend a typing

[Aiss]

After recalling some fragments from the books, I think Luna is IEI rather than ILI. She's good at talking to people who need comfort (Harry after Cedric's and Sirius' deaths, Mr Ollivander later), and she gets upset when someone criticizes her theories and contradicts them with logic/facts (Te PoLR). On the other hand she did say "it was almost like having friends", which doesn't suggest strong Fe.

Gryffindor - Alpha, because they're a merry and democratic lot . But really, they sound like Alphas to me. Playful, enjoy celebrating, easily accept newcomers. Mostly academic or social oriented.

Ravenclaw - Gamma, because they're serious and democratic. They accept others (or not) based on their individual traits - they dislike Luna because she is "weird" - and don't care about belonging to groups (like purebloods, or even being one of them - Luna again). They're focused on productivity (which in school environment effectively means studying) and are more witty than playful.

Hufflepuff - Delta, becuase they're serious and aristocratic. Live and let live describes them well. They're more aristocratic, creating a tightly knit group. Either hardworking pragmatics or idealistists.

Why Harry as a Fi-dominant type? SEI fits much better IMO (very attuned to emotional atmosphere and physical surroundings, isn't comfortable with leadership and chooses individual approach when he's talked into it, doesn't really trust purely theoretical knowledge, if he has an idea he acts on it immediately but otherwise is rather passive, can't hide his emotions, unless he's very annoyed with someone he always tries to say something nice, needs others help to assess his talents...). He may be clueless with Cho, but he's a teenager. He isn't bad at comforting his friends. His interaction with Luna is another thing - they get along, but once they start discussing things, it's clear he's much more down-to-earth.

[krieger]

Another thread full of failed typings...

(conclusive typings of the movie versions)
Harry: INFp
Hermione: ENTj
Ron: ENFp
Those twin guys: ENTps (maybe ESTps, the disregard to Fi is most visible in them)
The nasty blond kid: ESTp
His two dense lackeys: ISTjs
Voldermort: probably INTp, but haven't seen enough of him to be sure
Severus Snape: INTj - not ISTj like often claimed. ISTjs are MORE positive than INTjs contrary to what some people think. Learn some fricking reinin, please.
Sirius: ENTp

[Slacker]

I used to think Harry was EII. But that's from the movies, and his character there is colored by Daniel Radcliffe, who is IEE. Then I was reading book #1 to my daughter, and I think the character is ESI. It was written by an LIE, so that makes sense. There are a lot of Deltas in the movie and I saw a "behind hte scenes" thing and I think the director is IEE too, so the movies come off as Delta but I think the book is Gamma.

[ArchonAlarion]

In the books, I could see some INXj 5.

[phn37]

Another thread full of failed typings...

(conclusive typings of the movie versions)
Harry: INFp
Hermione: ENTj
Ron: ENFp
Those twin guys: ENTps (maybe ESTps, the disregard to Fi is most visible in them)
The nasty blond kid: ESTp
His two dense lackeys: ISTjs
Voldermort: probably INTp, but haven't seen enough of him to be sure
Severus Snape: INTj - not ISTj like often claimed. ISTjs are MORE positive than INTjs contrary to what some people think. Learn some fricking reinin, please.
Sirius: ENTp

Harry: ISFP
He reacts immediately on how he feels about something, seeks solitude when he is upset, total disregard for the rules, his Ni is tertiary.....his flashes of insight come from his Feeling... he lives in the now - loves quidditch (Se)...and is action oriented....he gathers tangible clues that help him build the bigger picture... indicative of SeNi...... he screams SP to me....


Hermione: ISTJ
She is completely fact-driven. She has few friends and is somewhat of a loner. Her nose is always in a book, absorbing facts like a sponge. She has absolutely no interest in using anything that isn't published. She totally disregards everything that Luna says (who is definitely an INxp)....She follows the rules...She absolutely hated Divination... She is bossy and always thinks she is right... shows more interested in knowledge than people... does everything step by step...she's memorizes everything....her reaction to the half blood prince book says Si Te to me....

Ron is a total ESFP
Seeks company when he is upset, lives in the moment, not that brainy, but totally laid back... and acts on how he feels about everything...bored easily...where's the N?

Two dense lackeys -- seriously?? ISTj's??? No way, they are anything but ISTJ's....probably ISTp's....

and

Dumbledore: INFj with a fine-tuned Ti

[717495]

This is Socionics, not MBTI, Mr. phn37. You might be asking why I'm telling you this. It's because they're two different theories.

[Marie84]

I used to think Harry was EII. But that's from the movies, and his character there is colored by Daniel Radcliffe, who is IEE.

Same, I think Radcliffe's own type occasionally shows through the character, which seems common with most, if not all, actors

Then I was reading book #1 to my daughter, and I think the character is ESI. It was written by an LIE, so that makes sense. There are a lot of Deltas in the movie and I saw a "behind hte scenes" thing and I think the director is IEE too, so the movies come off as Delta but I think the book is Gamma.

yep

[silverchris9]

I can't picture an ESI being the kind of random explorer Harry is in the first three books. Granted, I need to re-read them, but it seems like a lot of what Harry does in the first few books is much more typical of an EII (exploring new things, etc.) than an ESI. Fi leading seems obvious to me, as every action Harry takes is about establishing, maintaining, or improving a bond between himself and another person. Se-creative makes lots of sense insofar as Harry is a good leader and can certainly apply "volitional pressure" at will (but only in service of his emotional bonds). But the "let's explore Hogwarts! let's go an adventure!" aspects of the first few books bugs me. Granted that might have just been in service of the plot, and I already said that Harry might not fit into a type simply because JKR isn't completely focused on her character's personalities-as-such (or at least she paints them in fairly broad strokes).

Plus... he's too jocular and not smooth enough to be an ESI. Just sayin'.

Agree on Dan Radcliffe as IEE.

I've acclimated to Ron as SEE. Not what I would've gone for at first, but I've gotten used to it.

Dumbledore: INFj with a fine-tuned Ti

Presuming you're down with the j/p switch (and you are indeed using socionics), I totally agree, because Dumbledore is a definite socionics IEI. No one but an Ni ego would have that convoluted of a plan depending on predicting how a series of individuals would act of a period of multiple years.