Matt Damon

[jessica129]

I don't know his type, but I think he's a horrible actor. I enjoyed the Bourne movies OK but only because his character wasn't supposed to emote much. He's like a block of fuckin' wood.

Good Will Hunting was the peak of his career, and his acting was adequate in it. Dogma was never meant to be serious, so he skated by. The Talented Mr. Ripley pissed me off and made me want 2 hours of my life back - almost as bad as Keanu Reeves in Dracula. The scene of GWH:2 in Jay & Silent Bob strike back didn't even have acting in it, and it was only tolerable because it was supposed to be satire in the first place.

The movie where he was the director of the CIA was another typecast because once again he was playing a person who was a block of wood.

Not cute, not funny, not talented. I find Ben Affleck to be almost as bad an actor, and even less appealing physically, but at least he's got an emotional repertoire.

lol, i feel the same way about him. Watching him act is about as enjoyable as watching paint dry. Affleck is a million times worse, if that's even possible.

[tereg]

lol, i feel the same way about him. Watching him act is about as enjoyable as watching paint dry. Affleck is a million times worse, if that's even possible.

I've got one piece of evidence to support this claim of Affleck



That is all.

[jessica129]

Ew..every movie with Jennifer Lopez is a complete disaster aside from Selena.

Jennifer Lopez < Ben Affleck < Matt Damon

[Park]

Ew..every movie with Jennifer Lopez is a complete disaster aside from Selena.

Angel Eyes was better, if not the best one she's been in.

Jennifer Lopez < Ben Affleck < Matt Damon

Oh, screw you! Those are some of my favorite showbiz peeps right there.

[Christy B]

I've got one piece of evidence to support this claim of Affleck



That is all.

eeewww it's Bennifer! I am so glad they are not together anymore .. gross.

[silke]

LSE sp/so 7w6. He comes off as being very set and sort of heavy in his thinking in the interviews. ST all the way and likely rational. I could see how this "demonstrative-fixated" excerpt could apply to him.

[Contra]

I've got one piece of evidence to support this claim of Affleck



That is all.

Probably my favorite SNL skit:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li...o/gigli/n36898

[darya]

Damon is 6w7.

[Aylen]

Damon is 6w7.

Seems like the best fit to me too.

[darya]

Seems like the best fit to me too.

Yes, an ideal example of 6w7, actually.

[Beautiful sky]

LSE sp/so 7w6. He comes off as being very set and sort of heavy in his thinking in the interviews. ST all the way and likely rational. I could see how this "demonstrative-fixated" excerpt could apply to him.

no

[darya]

no

What do you type him, Mari?

[The Reality Denialist]

SLE, I think.
I have met few lookalikes. Somewhat similar to me but crucially they are much better equipped in physical realm and they tend to show it as well and do not react so well with intangible.
Like this

Certainly not introverted.

[Beautiful sky]

What do you type him, Mari?

SEE

[strrrng]

Te-LSE... one of the less annoying ones. and probably 6w7 with a 3w2 heart fix, and so/sp. the video of him flipping out on adrian grenier (SEI) for perceived incompetence/inefficiency/laziness is a pretty good example of supervision imo.

[darya]

Let's say Damon is in fact LSE, but Se doms (and Se egos) bitch at people for incompetence/inefficiency/laziness as well. It's not Te exclusive. SLE boss would bitch the fuck out at a lazy, incompetent xEI (well, not in socionics fairyland, ofc)..

[darya]

I agree with Damon being LSE, although a "softer" kind of LSE. DiCaprio is SEE imo.

[Beautiful sky]

He's not LSE. He's SEE

[flames]

SEE

You don't like his films?

[Beautiful sky]

You don't like his films?

I like them find but he's not LSE. I'll post an interview with him and Leonardo DiCaprio where Leo keeps observing his actions

[darya]

lol, we're not going to come to the end of this. None of us can prove our typings besides some unprovable bullshitting. If Damon would be SEE and DiCaprio SLE i wouldn't be too surprised either.

[Beautiful sky]

lol, we're not going to come to the end of this. None of us can prove our typings besides some unprovable bullshitting. If Damon would be SEE and DiCaprio SLE i wouldn't be too surprised either.

I'll post an interview where Leonardo DiCaprio logic of action is extremely apparent

[wacey]

Damon is LSE and Dicaprio is Se type.

I've seen the same open receptiveness in Dicaprio in Se types.

In fact I agree with everything you say about these two and recognize the "tough guy exterior, inner vulnerabilty" vs. "Open receptive, volition emotional immediacy".

Also, with Damon you get a clear caretaker under current in his approuch to the interlocator with a certain Fi vulnerabilty. It looks like an unspoken desire for personal connection... "Here I am am I here for you. That sort of thing. Although thats just my subjective thoughts Im sure others would disagree.

Nice job with the analysis. Clap clap clap.

[Kill4Me]

IEE-Fi

I put a lengthy list of them here:

https://www.pinterest.com/socionics/iee-fi/

NeFi (plus Fi subtype) does a good job mirroring others….they do it reflexively. They have a cognition for adapting themselves to different roles, and how to change masks in order to suit the occasion. They also like to engage in fluffy, pop pseudo-psycho analysis of people, usually with an aim towards developing a connection between themselves and whomever they are giving the analysis too.

IEE-Fi is one of the more popular types found in the 3-6-9 humanity triad. Damon himself is 9w8.

[Beautiful sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRhA...5pDUlZqbWPgmuw

[wacey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRhA...5pDUlZqbWPgmuw

Recently saw this movie. I see Damon as an LSE character and DiCaprio as an SLE character. It looked like a quasi-identical intertype between the two with Leo symmetrically matched against Damon. The girlfriend by happen stance struck me as an IEI, with an initial attraction for Damon.

Attachment 7592

Things start to unravel here as her character begins to question this guy, the communication breaks down--->

Attachment 7593

The interplay between these two strikes me as the dynamic in beta dyads. Lots of intensity moving towards unspoken mutual trust as she recognizes he, although seemingly at first, is not the bad guy.

Attachment 7594

[MensSuperMateriam]

Good comparative analysis, Person. I like your description of Fi vs Fe.

I personally think I'm closer to the Fi-side, as in simple words, everything has at least a small emotional impact in my inner self, even if emotions themselves cannot alter my perception of (what I understand as) objective reality (facts).

Another aspect which is could be deduced from such descripcions is that Fi-valuers would be, on average, less susceptible to the phenomenon of emotion infection (and mass hysteria as the extreme case) that is more common in Fe-valuers (particularly in betas). The former perceive their emotions as an "unique" (individualized) experience, not directly comparable to the emotions of others, which are different. There are your feelings and my feelings. They're not the same thing. Therefore they do not feel the compulsion of resonating with the external emotional atmosphere and "merge with the group" (if forced, they could become resistant). The most extreme case of this would be ILIs (Fe PoLR + democratic).

[darya]

Honestly, Damon is probably LSE and if DiCaprio is SLE that's ok as well, BUT this blind religion into "quadra values" and people supposedly being attracted to their "own" people first (as friends and lovers) is frankly absurd. That's not how real world interactions work. Maybe for people whose brains have been brainwashed by too much socionics. Also typing by people's friends - his best friend is ILI so he must be SEE over ESE This might be true for those though, whose friends come mainly from socionics forum.

[darya]

Attraction is definitely an observed effect of Socionics from all the individuals I've studied in my experience, though you're right that attraction is not at all principle. (I appealed to Wacey a couple months ago about Socionics ime being in no way proven to be a personality attraction theory.) Instead, we have much stronger chemistry and familiar cognition with our quadras, and with the surrounding types where equal functions are concerned, ie. supervisees, comparitives and business. Socionics does not describe a lot and holds a lot of exceptions, but to say it doesn't work the way it does, simply appears like one mistyping people irl and not fully understanding it. We usually have pretty poor chemistry with the opposite quadra. My best friend since second grade is LSI and I have great chemistry with him. However, all too often, individuals are also more richly drawn for some reason or other to their own quadra than they are their opposite. Socionics stand-alone doesn't have all the tools to depict relational transmissions, it isn't an end-all be-all.

I didn't say there's no truth to it, just that it's delusional when one takes it too far. I more often have better chemistry with delta NF's than LSI's. People often hang out together as friends by clubs -NF's together for example.

Socionics does not describe a lot and holds a lot of exceptions, but to say it doesn't work the way it does, simply appears like one mistyping people irl and not fully understanding it.

Ok then. You are too smug to have constructive conversation with.

Edit: And as boring Damon is, DiCaprio is far worse. So much for "quadra values".

[darya]

Well apparently you would know.

Why do you think you're a single person who "breaked" socionics and you can tell all others that disagree with you that they can't type and don't understand it? Cause you do this a lot, compared to other people here. Socionics isn't science, and there's a reason for it.

[darya]

Those who haven't found a good use for their version of "Socionics" have no use themselves talking about it, especially when they give off questionable typings. I can't speak for you, however, so there's no need to take it personally.

I know of several others here in my experience who know what they're talking about, and I don't claim to know so much. I just know the typings and correlative chemistry I clearly observe between people irl.

Duals are the prime relationships, ime, second to activators and identicals.

Who are you to tell others when should they use socionics? Maybe they just have a different use for it? Or it doesn't have to be useful either. We're not going to come together, cause you sound like a religious fanatic. And we clearly have very very bad chemistry, so let's not talk any longer.

[darya]

I understand what you're saying, but there's nothing to fight about, since you think your version of socionics, observations and typings are always the correct ones. What's there to discuss? So you're saying all or most of my delta very close friends (4) must be mistyped? Or am I delta? I' m confused.

[darya]

No I wouldn't say that. But rather, like you're skeptical of Socionics actually working, I am skeptical that those claiming it doesn't work, actually know this theory and how to type people correctly. My extended portfolio of experiences simply doesn't match to any degree with "EIEs have great chemistry with Delta NFs, but not LSIs." That is perhaps the exact opposite of the majority of my observations with these types. But I did already agree with you that Socionics doesn't always work--it just works most of the time. Its parameters are not all-inclusive.

Ok, just ftr I don't have special chemistry with delta NF's. When I look at the whole picture it's life circumstances that direct who I'm friends with -it's a very mixed group. Maybe people who are very specific and into certain life styles /subcultures ( straight edge for example) are more likely to hang out with only similar people. I prefer different people as its less boring that way and I have them in my life for different porpuses (some for their sense of humour,some for deep talks, some for gossip, etc.) But yes, in general, i am definitely drawn to other groups of people before beta ST's (or any ST) .

[darya]

Maybe try on the possibility that some of these people you find out in the world you have a deeper chemistry with, aren't the types you assume by the poor standard Socionics stereotypes they are, but that some of them might actually be your duals or other quadra members. This breaking of poor stereotypes and onto the proper relational psychology has been my experience unlocking the truth of Socionics classifiying. You have typed a few people according me wrong already. I don't think we tend to be attracted to a number of our quadra members, but rather, the individuals we are best with, end up usually being our own quadra members, for more intricate reasons.

Its not the same typing celebrities or people on the forum and typing people you know for years -thats why I almost always allow for a different typing with people I dont know personally, unless its a very bizzare typing. I type with 'possibly", "maybe, Ni-dom? And such. I'm less smug then you think. When i gave out my typings of forum members, it was only my impression - only a few i am positive of -because I never met those people. But I'm damn sure I can type my friends and family (with a weird exception here and there), so we'll have to disagree. ; )

[darya]

Why is it a weird concept to love a EII friend for the deep conversations you can have with them (and them being your psychologist lol) and a SLE friend to get wasted with ?

[wacey]

[wacey]

Here's one link of a few to reference if you ever want to open your mind to typing with the intent of intertype relations instead, something that is demonstrable among people irl: http://www.socionics.com/rel/dlt.htm It is not my website, but rather, one of a few a starter descriptions you can study.

Wow, is that place still up and running as a dating service? I wonder if it even works....

[Dionysius]

ESTj? You guys are so bad at typing... It's ridiculous.

Clear ISTj. Similar to Leonardo DiCaprio who is also ISTj.

[Jake]

Matt is LSI

Leo is SEE

[Singu]

He actually kind of reminds me of Elon Musk, except more socially skilled.