I smile widely. Rachel Ray wouldn't be so bad if she'd chill the hell out.
I smile widely. Rachel Ray wouldn't be so bad if she'd chill the hell out.
I smile widely too. Not in the Rachel Ray way though.Originally Posted by jessica129
OK i take back my statement about wide smiles. Everyone can smile widely but in different ways and for different reasons.
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Agreed. I say ship her to Alpha
I agree she annoy me a bit. She is a bit forceful with her exuberance.
A lot of people, smile widely. To me, a wide smile uninhibited and from within. It like you gather everything from within your soul and shine it like a beacon. Outside influence can't bring that about as well. So a wide smile to me is indictative of Si. However, there are different ways that a person does so. I guess it depends on the person's other mannerisms while using this smile to really type a person.
After further study, Introverted sensing is demonstrated in most of the pic I posted. Maybe that what I was "sensing".
America ferrera, hilary swank, neve campbell might just be INFj. Being all these are pictures. They are in the way interacting with the cameraman. If introverted sensing was indeed what I was looking at then that would be their activation function.
SLE seems like the best choice for Rachel Ray. In the picture I posted she seems to be intiating interaction with the cameraman. I guessing that would make her suggestive function extraverted thinking. She is clearly in her head.
Oprah could just be ISFp. In the last pic of her, she is interacting with the cameraman but it seems more focus as if she is calculating her smile. This seems more demonstrative of introverted thinking. She thinking but still able to maintain smile unlike Rachel Ray. While in the last pic of Neve campbell she is more out of control or loose with her smile.
Thanks WorkaholicsAnon
I think you're on the right track, but Si in and of itself isn't what gives a wide smile. For example, an SLI might be relishing in the experience of pleasant sensations (which would fall under Si), but not necessarily convey that pleasure in a wide smile. SLI's with Fe-POLR can smile widely but it will usually not correspond too well with much of anything. If anything it's connected more to their experiencing Fi (SLIs please correct me if i'm wrong).
Also, ENFp's (IEE) have weak, handicapped Si (it's our dual-seeking function). But we value Si talents in others and need someone to take care of it for us. So if you're considering yourself to demonstrate Si, you're not ENFp (or INFj for that matter).
The other important point I want to make is, interacting with the cameraman is NOT indicative of sensing vs intuition. It's indicative of extroversion vs introversion. Excellent, perceptive observation though! that means you can easily spot extroverts vs introverts (something i'm not that good at).
For example, a characteristic SLI "look" is this (SMOKIN' HOT) lost-in-oneself bedroom eyes gaze (Jessica, you had it too on a picture in the old picture thread). THAT is a glimpse of Si. And when they demonstrate it, they do not look like they are interacting with any cameraman and they dont usually have the wide smile at that time (ISFp's though may I think).
cwsparklingdazzy, I think you may be thinking MBTI terms. Socionics is WAY different. Same letters, but the approach and definitions are WAY WAY different, and there is no such thing as a way to convert MBTI type to socionics type. For example, I always test INFJ in MBTI, and spend my first 6 months in the world of socionics thinking I was INFp based on an erroneous concept of converting introverted MBTI types to socionics by switching the J to a p. Back then, I also thought in terms of the MBTI concept of introversion--being an introverted person in that sense made me not even consider any of the extravert sociotypes, until someone here explained socionically defined extraversion vs introversion. Socionics still worked and despite me trying to fit into the beta quadra, most of them didn't like me, the SLEs (INFp's dual) were like "wth, she doesn't feel like my dual!!" and the more I found out about the people in beta, the more confused I got because I felt like I behaved differently and had very little in common with them.
However, your verbalizing your thoughts is great so that we can explain the differences and the flaws in your understanding.
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Your right. I don't think Si will always be indicative of a wide smile. I just feel some types would more readily give a wide smile then. If Si is your dominant sense or function, you are more confident with it. SLI has Si as a dominant function but their demonstrative function (their id) isn't Fi but Ti. So like SLE who demonstrative function is Te but suggestive function is Ni.
Here I made a mistake I mean her demonstrative function is Te. WorkaholicsAnon do you think that Rachel Ray is SLI.SLE seems like the best choice for Rachel Ray. In the picture I posted she seems to be intiating interaction with the cameraman. I guessing that would make her suggestive function extraverted thinking. She is clearly in her head.
To clarify what I was saying
In this image, she has a stillness about her while she is intiating interaction with the cameraman. If she is SLE, its not Se but Ni. It is like she using her demonstrative function Te to smile but she waiting for a cue from the cameraman. That stillness give her a quality of antenna, possibly Ne. if Ne she would be SLI not SLE. Which would make her activation Fi like WorkaholicsAnon suggested. The smile is there because the cue is "say cheese".
I think I have clarified that I just not be part of delta after all but possible ISFp. Leading function Si and demonstrative function Fi.
Sorry I didn't mean to suggest that Rachel Ray is SLI, I just commented on SLI in general because you were misinterpreting Si (and Si is SLI's primary function) and I happen to know that type more in depth than some other types for reasons i will not talk about here.Your right. I don't think Si will always be indicative of a wide smile. I just feel some types would more readily give a wide smile then. If Si is your dominant sense or function, you are more confident with it. SLI has Si as a dominant function but their demonstrative function (their id) isn't Fi but Ti. So like SLE who demonstrative function is Te but suggestive function is Ni.
Here I made a mistake I mean her demonstrative function is Te. WorkaholicsAnon do you think that Rachel Ray is SLI.
To clarify what I was saying
I think I have clarified that I just not be part of delta after all but possible ISFp. Leading function Si and demonstrative function Fi.
Whoa, I did NOT suggest that her mobilizing function (what you are calling activation) is Fi. Where did I say that? I suggested she may have Fe mobilizing, which would be SLE or ILE.
And no, she looks nothing like SLI. And she doesn't act like SLI, by a long shot. The photo shows her being extraverted imo. And the smile being cued? Well I'm not just going by the photo. In general she tends to overdo the Fe a bit even on screen imo.
oh and the stillness thing in connection to Ne that you mentioned made no sense whatsoever. Ne =/= stillness.
What i am getting from this last post of yours especially is that you dont quite have the terminology down, nor what the functions in each position mean. Why dont you try reading wikisocion.com and socionics.us to get a better idea of the fundamentals first. Don't worry, be patient with yourself. Socionics is complex to get a handle on initially, and it's entirely possible to completely misunderstand the functions and think you know them when you dont (I am still unsure of my own understanding and it is a lot better than it was a couple months ago). So best to keep an open mind, like you seem to be doing.
p.s. i dont recommend you trying to type yourself by your demonstrative function--people usually aren't aware of their use of that function because, like I said before, it's not valued. I repeat--the Id functions, though strong, are not valued.
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Touche
Completely understand. You didn't really suggest her moblizing function was Fi literally. That why I asked if you thought she was SLI in which case it would be significant.
I know I don't have the lingo down quite well but I do think I'm right in regards to what I feel the functions mean. I just not quite sure how to express that in the terminology. Lol, "her stillness gives a quality of antenna." I can see why that is confusing or doesn't make sense. But it perfectly sound to me. However, I want to learn how to express the correct term. So tell me how you qualify her "stillness." ;]
That's what I mean. It's entirely possible to think you know what the functions mean, but be totally off the mark as far as what the definitions are meant to embody. I could have sworn I had the theory down a couple months ago, after six months of reading, reading, reading, and forum discussion, but the puzzle pieces just weren't fitting together. And turned out what I thought were Ni and Fi were actually Ne and Fe, what I thought were Se and Ti was actually Te, etc. So I went from swearing up and down that I was INFp (Ni Fe ego) to ENFp (Ne Fi ego). And my dual went from being SLE (Se Ti ego) to being SLI (Si Te). Since I arrived at these realizations, socionics has made a LOT more sense, as has our behavior.
So be careful about being too sure of your concept of the functions, when you're just starting out.
p.s. sorry i forgot to comment on the antenna/Ne business. again huh???Firstly you are saying that her antenna-like stillness (whatever that is. . .) may embody Ne. . .which I could potentially make myself see though it doesn't say anything about Ne really. Then you go on to say that must make her SLI. . .
As for how I qualify her stillness?? First of all, I dont think she's very still to begin with. If you're trying to derive VI techniques let me just say that in most socionic experts' opinions and in my (albeit limited) experience, VI should only be used in context with the person's behavior to determine type. So in trying to type her, I am not relying solely on that photo. Sure, that photo is posed and cued, so you cant really use that photo much for typing anyway, other than saying she's an extravert and has at least a moderate ability to use Fe. On her shows, she's anything but still!! She's more hyper than a kindergartener on a sugar high!
Last edited by Suz; 03-29-2010 at 09:56 PM.
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I'd caution you against that. I don't always have wide smiles, and Si dominant SLIs may not either.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
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