I’ve been unduly obsessed with Astrid Bergés-Frisbey forever, and I am convinced she is LSE-Si.
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I’ve been unduly obsessed with Astrid Bergés-Frisbey forever, and I am convinced she is LSE-Si.
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I really only have visual identification to go by, but what brought me to the conclusion was a mixture of soft Si ego-like eyes and a sense of style that is reminiscent of my LSE-Si cousin’s. She has certain angularity of facial features like Robin Wright, who is also that type according to some Socionics galleries and they share some facial expressions. Watching her and hearing her speak is relaxing to me, which happens to me with LSEs of Si-sub but not Te-sub. I don’t think she is ESE because in interviews she exhibits a certain awkwardness that is not typical of Fe bases or egos. On the flip side, as an actress she tends to choose roles that are emotionally expressive (suggesting Fe role over PoLR).
I also considered ESI for her, but she seems too Si-valuing.
Last edited by PinKDiGiT18; 05-03-2021 at 06:41 PM.
There are no "very compelling arguments" with today methods as all those are highly speculative. And there are many mistakes with all methods too, what is see by low typing matches.
Besides it's useless to say any arguments to random forum noobs which can't understand them correctly. And intuitive methods as VI are widely used, have significant weight in opinions to make logical explanations weaker without VI factor and are not supposed to have arguments at all, what noobs may forget.
So, in general to ask for arguments about someone types is significantly useless. I understand, that noobs like to play in argumentations. But it's not very serious except cases to reject some types, alike to point that to have base Fi type does not match with your rude talking style. But not about whole type.
No one will give good arguments. At least, for the ones with some competence in typology. Noobs are not so, they may be convinced by any nonsense and can't often understand correctly even own types, alike in your case.
Last edited by Sol; 05-03-2021 at 10:50 PM.
Are you calling competency basing typings on arbitrary stuff like one's facial features they have no control over, instead of taking a look at their actual personality? Wow, I haven't seen someone spew so much bullshit in one post in a loooong time.
Said the guy who after being into this typology for 10 years still makes rookie mistakes and types himself LSE when it's blatantly obvious to anyone watching is not the case. Besides, the only reason you have for accusing me of mistyping myself is because I told you off when you tried to convince me I must be something else but not an EII because I wasn't your dreamy INFP girl. You're ridiculous, as always.
EII-Fi
2w3 sx/so
tritype: 2-6-9
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Oh. My. Goodness. Let me tell you, it’s not just in your head.
Te-LSEs, depending on stuff like strength of subtype + enneagram, instinctual stk., etc...it can create such a world of difference from your unconscious expectations. I have typed my uncle as 3Te-LSE, and of all the LSEs I have ever met you would think he were my conflictor. He is definitely LSE - not to be rude, but every stereotype you’ve ever heard about them describes him. And as some people read this I’m probably going to get the “oh, you’re not EII” “you mistyped” shpiel but it’s a real phenomenon that I’ve seen happen with almost every type and the reason I firmly believe in subtype as a factor of overall sociotype.
Observation - the stronger the base subtype, the more that person actively implements their demonstrative in their activities. My hypothesis about it is that their HA and their PoLR are more developed (connected respectively to the Ignoring and Base), so they have a bit more “give” when pressured and expect the same from their duals. So Te-LSEs are using Se more conspicuously with less Si “cushioning” because they are oriented at Fi-EIIs, who can “take it.” Si-LSEs use it more often, but behind the scenes of Si so as to not hurt Ne-EII’s PoLR. I also notice that while EII-Ne still is Fi-base, we aren’t wired to give as much ethical support at our own expense to Te-sub LSEs as it seems they require. Somehow, no matter how dry the Te-subtype gets, it does not seem to hurt the Fi-subtype. Don’t know why, but at some point I need some sort of reciprocity, and both my Si-LSE and Ni-LIE cousins are good with knowing when to meet me in the middle. On the positive side, when a healthy Te-sub comes into my life, I find them very attractive, intelligent, and respectable individuals. Once you have gained their trust, they are often even more reliable than the other sub. My first real love was LSE-Te...
My ILI-Te mom had a similar experience to what I had with my uncle when I was with my SEE-Se ex-boyfriend. Every single base sub of sociotype I have met has at least appeared to have a PoLR that is less sensitive to hits than the creative subtype, and this can be apparent even in duality. Not saying this as a generalization, just my experience.
Last edited by PinKDiGiT18; 05-04-2021 at 12:10 AM.
Funny, given the Cautious vs Bold dichotomy, I'd expect EII-Ne to have stronger Se and being able to "take it" as opposed to EII-Fi. It also seems way more logical that way. If I were to believe what you believe instead, I'd have to type myself EII-Ne like you do, which I know I'm not.
Last edited by tuathe; 05-04-2021 at 11:39 AM.
EII-Fi
2w3 sx/so
tritype: 2-6-9
I don’t know, would it make sense for EII-Ne to have a dual of a sensory subtype if their sensory functions, including PoLR, were stronger? What I do see is that for creative subtypes, the PoLR is more conscious along with the creative - part of the reason it is very painful. The following statement is a conjecture, but it seems that because base subs are better able to focus on functions of the same orientation as their base (introverted in our case), the concept of a stronger PoLR (which in our case is extroverted) may be overlooked. But in my experience, the Fi-subtype is much more resilient when faced with pressure than the Ne-sub. Especially when the pressure is given in light of a Te aim. We Ne-subs are more likely to have a conniption fit when someone pressures us for any reason, even if for Te purposes. The presence of Si gentleness and nuance is non-negotiable for us.
To me, you are definitely EII-Fi - from the first time you quoted me your interjections and semantics have been very reflective of rational-subtype rational Delta dyad.
I’m a 1Ne sub, an ennea4 and an sx-lead too!!
It’s like I’m reading my own mind. I don’t get the opportunity to talk to other EIIs a lot so I’m just fangirling right now
I had a crush on an SLI-Si friend with whom it wasn’t reciprocal either. I also had an SLI-Si childhood best friend with whom I experienced that feeling of, man they just get it. We called each other kindred spirits, and I still think that holds true. But SLIs of the Si subtype do seem to get stifled by our Fi after a while. I’ve had people tell me that even when I try not to emphasize it, they can feel it lingering in the background. It’s a pity because otherwise it’s such a harmonious relation!
Yes, for real. I can quickly tell when there’s an LSE-Si around me just because the psychological atmosphere instantly settles, like a storm just suddenly clearing into a blue sky when you get into their presence. And I second what you said about LSE-Tes softening around us - after detailing my tumultuous dynamic with my uncle, I must admit even he is sometimes touched by my Fi. It can be really endearing.
With my LSE-Te romance, it was a sexuality issue...we had feelings for each other but he was in the closet before I came into the picture and did not want to commit to a woman. We shared passions and talents we’d never shared with others and we were always better together than apart. To me, he was my soulmate. But he started to take advantage of my loyalty to him in spite of knowing his situation, and I couldn’t continue. It was when we were over that he realized what my presence meant for him (duality-wise), but...it is what it is. He did teach me how beautiful duality can be, though.
Revisiting my typing of this actress - found her listed as IEE-Fi in a gallery. If this is her correct typing, I had the Delta extrovert + introverted subtype part going. Some of her style of speaking and facial expressions do remind me of an IEE-Fi I knew.
She does demonstrate a certain diffidence that doesn't seem characteristic of a sensory type. I am thinking Sam Claflin, whom she acted with in Pirates of the Caribbean, may be SLI-Si.