Examples of Deltas

[Ikite iru]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw_KV9WgPUw

watched this interview out of curiosity and I think he might be an IEI-C

just my 2 cents

[inaLim]

Delta ST?









https://tulsaworld.com/scene/style/w...0f983e638.html

https://www.artofmanliness.com/

[myresearch]

Delta ST?









https://tulsaworld.com/scene/style/w...0f983e638.html

https://www.artofmanliness.com/

XSI>SLI

[PinKDiGiT18]

I’ve been unduly obsessed with Astrid Bergés-Frisbey forever, and I am convinced she is LSE-Si.

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[tuathe]

I’ve been unduly obsessed with Astrid Bergés-Frisbey forever, and I am convinced she is LSE-Si.

Oh? We'd love to hear your argumentation then.

[PinKDiGiT18]

Oh? We'd love to hear your argumentation then.

I really only have visual identification to go by, but what brought me to the conclusion was a mixture of soft Si ego-like eyes and a sense of style that is reminiscent of my LSE-Si cousin’s. She has certain angularity of facial features like Robin Wright, who is also that type according to some Socionics galleries and they share some facial expressions. Watching her and hearing her speak is relaxing to me, which happens to me with LSEs of Si-sub but not Te-sub. I don’t think she is ESE because in interviews she exhibits a certain awkwardness that is not typical of Fe bases or egos. On the flip side, as an actress she tends to choose roles that are emotionally expressive (suggesting Fe role over PoLR).

I also considered ESI for her, but she seems too Si-valuing.

[tuathe]

I really only have visual identification to go by, but what brought me to the conclusion was a mixture of soft Si ego-like eyes and a sense of style that is reminiscent of my LSE-Si cousin’s. She has certain angularity of facial features like Robin Wright, who is also that type according to some Socionics galleries and they share some facial expressions. Watching her and hearing her speak is relaxing to me, which happens to me with LSEs of Si-sub but not Te-sub. I don’t think she is ESE because in interviews she exhibits a certain awkwardness that is not typical of Fe bases or egos. On the flip side, as an actress she tends to choose roles that are emotionally expressive (suggesting Fe role over PoLR).

I also considered ESI for her, but she seems too Si-valuing.

These aren't very compelling arguments if you ask me.

[PinKDiGiT18]

These aren't very compelling arguments if you ask me.

Yeah, this is more my subjective POV than anything else. But on the chance that it’s a correct assessment, I wanted to throw her in at least.

[Sol]

These aren't very compelling arguments if you ask me.

There are no "very compelling arguments" with today methods as all those are highly speculative. And there are many mistakes with all methods too, what is see by low typing matches.
Besides it's useless to say any arguments to random forum noobs which can't understand them correctly. And intuitive methods as VI are widely used, have significant weight in opinions to make logical explanations weaker without VI factor and are not supposed to have arguments at all, what noobs may forget.
So, in general to ask for arguments about someone types is significantly useless. I understand, that noobs like to play in argumentations. But it's not very serious except cases to reject some types, alike to point that to have base Fi type does not match with your rude talking style. But not about whole type.

No one will give good arguments. At least, for the ones with some competence in typology. Noobs are not so, they may be convinced by any nonsense and can't often understand correctly even own types, alike in your case.

[PinKDiGiT18]

Do you have experience IRL with each sub? Pros/cons interacting with each sub?

I know there’s more to someone and our relationship with them than type but I was just curious.

Te subs can sometimes rub me the wrong way too, a little bit, too much Te+Se, not soft enough. But I’m not sure if it’s something else

Oh. My. Goodness. Let me tell you, it’s not just in your head.

Te-LSEs, depending on stuff like strength of subtype + enneagram, instinctual stk., etc...it can create such a world of difference from your unconscious expectations. I have typed my uncle as 3Te-LSE, and of all the LSEs I have ever met you would think he were my conflictor. He is definitely LSE - not to be rude, but every stereotype you’ve ever heard about them describes him. And as some people read this I’m probably going to get the “oh, you’re not EII” “you mistyped” shpiel but it’s a real phenomenon that I’ve seen happen with almost every type and the reason I firmly believe in subtype as a factor of overall sociotype.

Observation - the stronger the base subtype, the more that person actively implements their demonstrative in their activities. My hypothesis about it is that their HA and their PoLR are more developed (connected respectively to the Ignoring and Base), so they have a bit more “give” when pressured and expect the same from their duals. So Te-LSEs are using Se more conspicuously with less Si “cushioning” because they are oriented at Fi-EIIs, who can “take it.” Si-LSEs use it more often, but behind the scenes of Si so as to not hurt Ne-EII’s PoLR. I also notice that while EII-Ne still is Fi-base, we aren’t wired to give as much ethical support at our own expense to Te-sub LSEs as it seems they require. Somehow, no matter how dry the Te-subtype gets, it does not seem to hurt the Fi-subtype. Don’t know why, but at some point I need some sort of reciprocity, and both my Si-LSE and Ni-LIE cousins are good with knowing when to meet me in the middle. On the positive side, when a healthy Te-sub comes into my life, I find them very attractive, intelligent, and respectable individuals. Once you have gained their trust, they are often even more reliable than the other sub. My first real love was LSE-Te...

My ILI-Te mom had a similar experience to what I had with my uncle when I was with my SEE-Se ex-boyfriend. Every single base sub of sociotype I have met has at least appeared to have a PoLR that is less sensitive to hits than the creative subtype, and this can be apparent even in duality. Not saying this as a generalization, just my experience.

[tuathe]

Observation - the stronger the base subtype, the more that person actively implements their demonstrative in their activities. My hypothesis about it is that their HA and their PoLR are more developed (connected respectively to the Ignoring and Base), so they have a bit more “give” when pressured and expect the same from their duals. So Te-LSEs are using Se more conspicuously with less Si “cushioning” because they are oriented at Fi-EIIs, who can “take it.” Si-LSEs use it more often, but behind the scenes of Si so as to not hurt Ne-EII’s PoLR

Funny, given the Cautious vs Bold dichotomy, I'd expect EII-Ne to have stronger Se and being able to "take it" as opposed to EII-Fi. It also seems way more logical that way. If I were to believe what you believe instead, I'd have to type myself EII-Ne like you do, which I know I'm not.

[PinKDiGiT18]

3Te sub does sound intimidating even in theory lol. I usually get 1Ne sub when I test on sociotype.com, and there are aspects of both Fi and Ne sub description that apply and don't apply to me so - I though I am "close enough to the middle" and didn't really look further into subtypes...

interesting, one of the subtype theories says something like, if intuition is strengthened, then it's both of them and it ultimately takes away from sensation (in keeping with Jung's original theory about how types develop). So that's in line with what you are saying about PoLR yeah...but personally I feel like I have certain instances of being drawn to Ni things, just having a strong intuition that something is a certain way and believing in it, and other things I won't list here. But I have also been brought up in half Gamma NT family so I think that plays a role. I have wondered if Ne sub EII kinda gives NT vibes (which is mentioned in another subtype theory haha). Online I have gotten that a couple of times.

I thought perhaps I just haven't come across compatible duals but the roughness of weak Fi with LSEs can really rub me the wrong way/scare me sometimes. I thought I was just "sensitive."

Once I had a crush on an SLI (Si). It wasn't mutual but - I learned that I could trust someone, that it was possible to - like I have never before or even after. He would say the same things to me that I would find invalidating and triggering if it came from quite literally any other person but, from him, I somehow on a visceral level completely trusted him and it was never invalidating to me. The LSEs I meet, in contrast (mostly online) seem to rub me the wrong way. I can also be quite emotional once you do get to know me - it could be E4 or however we want to conceptualize it but - I am not truly stoic. But I am also scared but the potential of an LSE-Si being a little too irrational perhaps. For instance, the SLI-EII description...it mentions basically the SLI gets tired of the Fi and literally just starts tuning EII out, going on breaks by himself, and hurting her. Establishing psychological distance in that way.

I do not want someone who is bored by Fi, because Fi and seeking closeness - the closer the better - makes me happy and also fuels my sx so they are intertwined. I also cannot be with someone who kind of just...expects me to be random and funny much of the time. I can be quite serious honestly - my Ne more so manifests in theorizing (for which I get labeled NT lol).

edit: I wanted to explain this better. Fi HAs can get scared off by Fi, by my seeking closeness. But it doesn't mean it has to be literally 24/7. I just want someone I feel close to/one with even when I am not talking to him. And that when we do speak, the sense of closeness brings joy not strain or burden. .

But yeah that thing you said about LSE-Si using Se behind the scenes - I absolutely love it. That's how I imagine my potential SO. To be fair, even LSE-Tes tend to get softer around me - or likely will at least in person but - I feel so much more comfortable and myself with someone who uses Se behind the scenes as needed in a protective manner. I think the Te+Se thing I mentioned is sort of classic "Type A" personality with aggression and ambition combined which can tend to be a bit too much for me. I liked my SLI friend's Fi which was just enough to understand the level of gentleness I required and he in response treated me with care.

Regarding giving LSE-Te Fi help, I am not entirely sure what it looks like? So I do not know how much Fi help they would require. I guess I imagine LSEs as someone who do generally have quite good integrity themselves; they may just push it to the background a bit when over-concerned with a Te matter in the present. But mostly I imagine Fi "help" as helping them figure out their thoughts/feelings/attitudes and bring it to the consciousness (and the rest follows - including ethical behavior). Although I really don't mind giving them pointers on that, but like I said, if the Fi is too rough, it tends to scare me.

was? Did you guys end up not being compatible, if you don't mind me asking?

I’m a 1Ne sub, an ennea4 and an sx-lead too!!

It’s like I’m reading my own mind. I don’t get the opportunity to talk to other EIIs a lot so I’m just fangirling right now

I had a crush on an SLI-Si friend with whom it wasn’t reciprocal either. I also had an SLI-Si childhood best friend with whom I experienced that feeling of, man they just get it. We called each other kindred spirits, and I still think that holds true. But SLIs of the Si subtype do seem to get stifled by our Fi after a while. I’ve had people tell me that even when I try not to emphasize it, they can feel it lingering in the background. It’s a pity because otherwise it’s such a harmonious relation!

Yes, for real. I can quickly tell when there’s an LSE-Si around me just because the psychological atmosphere instantly settles, like a storm just suddenly clearing into a blue sky when you get into their presence. And I second what you said about LSE-Tes softening around us - after detailing my tumultuous dynamic with my uncle, I must admit even he is sometimes touched by my Fi. It can be really endearing.

With my LSE-Te romance, it was a sexuality issue...we had feelings for each other but he was in the closet before I came into the picture and did not want to commit to a woman. We shared passions and talents we’d never shared with others and we were always better together than apart. To me, he was my soulmate. But he started to take advantage of my loyalty to him in spite of knowing his situation, and I couldn’t continue. It was when we were over that he realized what my presence meant for him (duality-wise), but...it is what it is. He did teach me how beautiful duality can be, though.

[PinKDiGiT18]

I’ve been unduly obsessed with Astrid Bergés-Frisbey forever, and I am convinced she is LSE-Si.

EDE0B44C-7FDA-41E2-A76D-000B95EB4458.jpeg

Revisiting my typing of this actress - found her listed as IEE-Fi in a gallery. If this is her correct typing, I had the Delta extrovert + introverted subtype part going. Some of her style of speaking and facial expressions do remind me of an IEE-Fi I knew.

She does demonstrate a certain diffidence that doesn't seem characteristic of a sensory type. I am thinking Sam Claflin, whom she acted with in Pirates of the Caribbean, may be SLI-Si.

[Sol]

@PinKDiGiT18

Taking the problem of high speculativity (including of the process as with VI) of existing typing methods, if you want to play in arguments about types - offer your opponent to explain his opinion or doubts. With some thinking it will be not hard to see and to point weak places of his arguments.

It's easier to reduce a possiblity of some types. But it's doubtful to explain a whole type by arguments with good objectivity.
What is possibly now is to use matched results of independent methods and opinion sources as objective approach. If more tests and typers agree (independently!) - it's more possible trait/type from objective point.

I suppose Ti valued types have higher interest and trust to speculative games with behavior arguments possible today, as Te valued ones should notice better the lack of objectivity. It's also easier to logically convince F types, though they are easier to change later such opinions.

Also, there is significant chance of your mistake with today methods. It's more when you don't have good typing experience. When know not much about a human, what exists for the ones you do not know good personally and who did not do special typing questionnaires/tests.
For types about famouses and public people you are doomed to have bad arguments due to lack of info - it's impossibly to type them with assurance by common behavior only. It's appropriate with intuitive VI which has no arguments to say to other human.

P.S.
To identify types of famouses are needed good VI skills, what noobs have no. You just play here in a typing, same as in arguments.

[sojourn]

John Grisham, LSE

American writer, politician, lawyer, activist







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His extended talk with Stephen King (my money is on SLE for him)
looks like quasi-identical dialogue in front of a live audience.
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Skip ahead to the 12:00 mark to hear them talk.

[Karbonkel]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=w6jzan8nfxc

EII-Fi

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

<3

[Adam Strange]

<3

ESE, all day long.

[Adam Strange]

ESE, all day long.

"I'm not really gay, I'm an attention-whore with Principles, dammit, and how dare you accuse me of being gay just because I dress like a woman? I'm fighting the good fight for the rights of all cross-dressers to be accepted for who they are.
Plus, of course, I'm getting loads of attention."

[timber]

ESE, all day long.

I wonder if this guy is a ISTj, with all the reasons you mentioned. He doesn't vibe like a ESE, he has a ST vibe.

[Karbonkel]

Benjamin Frew, IEE-Ne

[Karbonkel]

Mat Watson, IEE-Ne

[Karbonkel]

Tiësto, LSE-Si, harmonizing

[PinKDiGiT18]

I feel like Ed Sheeran is EII. He has an Ne ego face. His music is often metaphorical, but also gentle, which makes me think Si-valuing > Se-valuing. Introvert with 4D Fi.

[Karbonkel]

Hes probably SEI

[timber]

Hes probably SEI

I think so. The way he works a crowd says strong Fe. All the reasons for introverted and Si valuing I could support.

This is what I'm talking about:

Zone of comfort.

[Karbonkel]

I think so. The way he works a crowd says strong Fe. All the reasons for introverted and Si valuing I could support.

This is what I'm talking about:

Zone of comfort.

Yeah he seems all about harmony and wispering sweet Fe nothings in his songs. Like so many artists who are primarily known for this type of music, think James Blunt, Shawn Mendez and even Dutch artist Jan Smit, he is a SEI.

[PinKDiGiT18]

Works for me. Everytime I see him, I want to punch his face and his music is all recycled garbage. He started this whole ginger guy has a guitar and thinks he's famous craze too. I don't know the whole point in his music, apart from the fact that it's marketable, and easy listening but when you desconstruct it, it's simple and most of it is inspired by someone else/samples remixed into some mish-mash of pop music played on a loop pedal for hours until it forms a structure and a song of some sorts.

I think there’s a considerable amount of meaning in his songs, and that’s part of the reason for their popularity - I mean, you could make a judgment about me by it but I felt different portrayals in his lyrics resonated with some of my own experiences with grief, love, identity struggles, etc. If he is EII, he’s probably not even necessarily thinking about the quality or nuances of his instrumentals, but whether they accurately demonstrate his true sentiments or not - hence, a sound that is not as seemingly striking or original.

[Zyan]

I think there’s a considerable amount of meaning in his songs, and that’s part of the reason for their popularity - I mean, you could make a judgment about me by it but I felt different portrayals in his lyrics resonated with some of my own experiences with grief, love, identity struggles, etc. If he is EII, he’s probably not even necessarily thinking about the quality or nuances of his instrumentals, but whether they accurately demonstrate his true sentiments or not - hence, a sound that is not as seemingly striking or original.

Speaking of Delta artists I'm pretty sure Donald Glover is IEE. Also his character in Atlanta the tv show being an unhealthy IEE.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I feel like Ed Sheeran is EII.

I never liked Ed Sheeran much so works for me. I always wondered why i didn't like him. It didn't seem like directly he was an asshole, but how he's constantly smiling maybe seemed jerk-ish and sociopathic or so nice it was actually mean sort of thing. I would agree Deltas are closest to God but God is also cruel and wrathful and vindictive and hateful as much as he is kind and loving and generous and all of that. Hail Satan bro.

[Northstar]

I never liked Ed Sheeran much so works for me. I always wondered why i didn't like him. It didn't seem like directly he was an asshole, but how he's constantly smiling maybe seemed jerk-ish and sociopathic or so nice it was actually mean sort of thing. I would agree Deltas are closest to God but God is also cruel and wrathful and vindictive and hateful as much as he is kind and loving and generous and all of that. Hail Satan bro.

Yeah, I can't stand the little bastard and his music. Can't bear to look at him long enough to tell if SEI or EII for sure, but probably the latter.

[The Reality Denialist]

Cinema Therapy (therapist: IEE [-N stereotype])

[Milo]

ENFp in medical profession

[Milo]

EII-Ne

[The Reality Denialist]

IEE in his natural state

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

[Adam Strange]

In the States, the public water supplies are sterilized by adding bleach (chlorine) to the water, which kills all the bacteria before the water is pumped to the end users.

I've read that in France, they inject ozone (oxygen-3) into the water, and it's just as effective at killing germs, but unlike bleach, it dissipates before you drink it.
The argument for using bleach instead of oxygen to kill bacteria is that oxygen does dissipate rapidly and harmlessly in the lines, and thus is not effective at killing any bacteria in the water after it leaves the water treatment plant. Chlorinated water reaches your tap fully chlorinated.

Since I've read that all cancer starts from chlorine, the French seem to have a superior system.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

George Leoniak

[oneshott]

https://i.4pcdn.org/hr/1443064134040.jpg
EII 4w5 sp/sx

[Northstar]

The protagonist girl and boy are IEE/SLI. Most delta movie I have yet seen.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisper_of_the_Heart