LSE/ESTj Subtypes - discussion and examples

**Christy B** · 04-14-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Christy B

I know a few. I like them, but they can sometimes be a little crude with their humor or odd with excessive Si like too much drinking or eating, or awful sexual jokes for my taste. These guys might just be like that though, and it may not have anything to do with them being Si.

I know that the Te subtype can be strict and demanding, but I have not met any really bad ones yet.

I have not experienced the Te to be strict or demanding, I just know that others have had experiences with this. (I've heard.) Then again, maybe what someone else would consider strict and demanding I would not. I think my old boss was ESTJ-Te a female she was a wonderful boss. The best manager of time, people, problems I have ever worked with. She worked harder than anyone one else around which made me want to work harder too.

**munenori2** · 04-15-2008, 02:01 AM

Lacking context, I have to say Christy that those Si subs sound inordinately flawed. No offense to you or your friends/acquaintances.

**Christy B** · 04-15-2008, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by munenori2

Lacking context, I have to say Christy that those Si subs sound inordinately flawed. No offense to you or your friends/acquaintances.

Yeah. I thought it might not be type related. I just know a lot of really screwed up people I guess. The guy who cheats is pretty normal, nice, etc., minus the cheating thing. To be fair, I guess it doesn't help that the two younger of those Si guys are really attractive and that girls are always falling all over them. Really. It is way too easy. . . . Gross.

What are other more "normal" Si subtypes like? Maybe if I met one I would change my opinion of this type!!!

**munenori2** · 04-15-2008, 03:00 AM

Now, not all of this will be type-related either. Rather they are generalized observations of things I've found the three individuals have in common. Naturally, some non-pertinent or typologically generic info will cycle in not to mention the possibility of an incorrect typing here or there (I'm almost positive that they are all delta ST, though it may be that my uncle is ISTp). Anyway, take it all with a grain of salt:

The ones I've known tend to be pretty relaxing (noting that I only know them outside of a work environment, except for my uncle, who I've worked with on his farm). However, when things pop up that need doing they address it immediately and decisively, seemingly without it being a big disruption in terms of mindset. They all hold themselves and others to pretty high standards.

I've noticed that all of them has a sort of narrowly peculiar type of humor (either in content or form) as if it's more of a learned activity rather than a natural feature of their conversation. My uncle and my mother (whom I only have knowledge of by her accounts) are strict taskmasters, but so long as you work hard and attempt to carry out what's asked, they're quite genial. Otherwise, you decline in their eyes.

Character accounts for a lot in all of their views. If any of them see in you cause to doubt your trustworthiness or good will, reactions can range from confrontation to restricting all further contact to the necessities of the situation (strictly business, ignoring you, etc). On the other hand, if your good character is demonstrated in some way (it takes more convincing from some than others), they tend to open up and become very warm individuals.

Once you've earned their trust, it takes something significant to lose that, such as a moral breach (a betrayal, perceived or real). In contrast, they don't seem to deal with uncertainty particularly well regarding their personal contacts. Dissembling is detested (keep it real, folks) and direct and sincere communication is the bee's knees.

Hmm, that's all I can think of at the moment, and the more I think about it the less this sounds like a description of a particular type, much less a subtype of a particular type. Still, I have people in my life like this and I tend to get on very well with them. So there!

**UDP** · 04-15-2008, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by munenori2

I've noticed that all of them has a sort of narrowly peculiar type of humor (either in content or form) as if it's more of a learned activity rather than a natural feature of their conversation. My uncle and my mother (whom I only have knowledge of by her accounts) are strict taskmasters, but so long as you work hard and attempt to carry out what's asked, they're quite genial. Otherwise, you decline in their eyes.

Character accounts for a lot in all of their views. If any of them see in you cause to doubt your trustworthiness or good will, reactions can range from confrontation to restricting all further contact to the necessities of the situation (strictly business, ignoring you, etc). On the other hand, if your good character is demonstrated in some way (it takes more convincing from some than others), they tend to open up and become very warm individuals.

Once you've earned their trust, it takes something significant to lose that, such as a moral breach (a betrayal, perceived or real). In contrast, they don't seem to deal with uncertainty particularly well regarding their personal contacts. Dissembling is detested (keep it real, folks) and direct and sincere communication is the bee's knees.

Hmm, that's all I can think of at the moment, and the more I think about it the less this sounds like a description of a particular type, much less a subtype of a particular type. Still, I have people in my life like this and I tend to get on very well with them. So there!

Bee's knees? I've never heard that one before. What does it really mean?

And yeah, everything you say there is basically how I feel. Particularly your take on trust, and how I warm up to people that seem trustworthy, and stay away from those that are not.

**munenori2** · 04-15-2008, 03:18 AM

Bee's knees adj. Something that is frickin' awesome and which possesses the mystical ability to imbue upon those items or concepts to which it is connected with an equivalent quality of frickin' awesomeness.

**idolatrie** · 04-15-2008, 06:29 AM

I think sexual jokes can be funny, if they are actually, you know, amusing. I've been told I have a 'dirty mind', but that's only around good friends, and there's definitely a time and place for all jokes, particularly those of a sensitive nature. I definitely wouldn't tell sexual jokes at work (though that has a lot to do with what I do atm). Not sure what that has to do with being an ESTj-Si though.

**Christy B** · 04-15-2008, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by munenori2

Bee's knees adj. Something that is frickin' awesome and which possesses the mystical ability to imbue upon those items or concepts to which it is connected with an equivalent quality of frickin' awesomeness.

Dude! You did not use the "bee's knees". I use that!!!! No one uses that!!! Ahaha. I use it cause this old guy I knew used it and I didn't know what he was talking about, but then he told me and I thought it was silly. Sometimes I throw it in there with people I think might know it!

Oh yeah, and thanks for the descriptions ofthe ESTJ-Si people you know. This does help and I do see some of these qualities in the ones I know, it's just that, they seem not to hold themselves to the same standards as they expect everyone else to be at. I mean the ones I know, not all ESTJ-Sis.

Thanks munenori2 : )

**Kill4Me** · 06-15-2018, 02:01 AM

Matt Bailey...LSE-Te

**Kill4Me** · 06-29-2018, 12:14 AM

John Gilligan...LSE-Si 8w7 so/sp

Some Gilligan footage at the end.

Veronica Guerin was ESI-Fi 2w1 sp/sx

"When she began to cover drug dealers, and gained information from convicted drugs criminal John Traynor, she received numerous death threats. The first violence against her occurred in October 1994, when two shots were fired into her home after her story on murdered crime kingpin Martin Cahill was published. Guerin dismissed the "warning". The day after writing an article on Gerry "The Monk" Hutch,[10] on 30 January 1995, she answered her doorbell to a man pointing a revolver at her head. The gunman missed and shot her in the leg. Regardless, she vowed to continue her investigations. Independent Newspapers installed a security system to protect her, and the Gardaí gave her a 24-hour escort; however, she did not approve of this, saying that it hampered her work.[citation needed]

On 13 September 1995, convicted criminal John Gilligan, Traynor's boss, attacked her when she confronted him about his lavish lifestyle with no source of income.[10] He later called her at home and threatened to kidnap and rape her son, and kill her if she wrote anything about him"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_Guerin

Note the method -- a motorcycle assassin.

"The court also heard evidence that Gilligan phoned Ms Guerin and threatened to murder her, the day after she had "doorstepped" him.

The murder of Ms Guerin, married with one young son, led to one of the biggest criminal investigations in Ireland to hunt down the killers.

Ms Guerin, 37, was crime correspondent of the Sunday Independent newspaper and had won awards for her work exposing criminals in the Irish Republic.

She was shot dead on June 26, 1996, on the Naas road in Dublin, when a man on a motorcycle fired six bullets from a .357 Magnum revolver into her body.

Opening the prosecution case, Peter Charleton said Gilligan was the "controlling mind" behind the assassination. "He committed this offence through his agents, his agents being members of a gang under his control who all of the while acted according to his will.""

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/guer...hears-1.374363

**Kill4Me** · 09-17-2018, 03:39 AM

Katie Hopkins...LSE-Te 2w1 so/sp

Gordon Ramsay...LSE-Te 3w2 so/sp

Mark "Jacko" Jackson...LSE-Si 6w5 so/sp

His voice cracks and tremors.

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