Lol. funny. The most predictable typings around here...
Sneg: "You might be IEI"
Expat: "I don't think you are INTp"
not that those are bad typings just they seem to surface quite often
Lol. funny. The most predictable typings around here...
Sneg: "You might be IEI"
Expat: "I don't think you are INTp"
not that those are bad typings just they seem to surface quite often
consider these arguments of dioklecian that richard dawkins is INFp:
Originally Posted by Dioklecianthese are evidently based on a very general sense of things, which is indicative of Ne. if these criteria were good, dio's typings would be perfectly reasonable (indicating that perhaps the structure ( ) of dio's thoughts is not the problem). the problem, however, is that when these criteria are considered they are absolutely absurd. for example, dio stated that "ENTPs inscience tend to be quite complex. Dawkins seems much more accessible." i have no idea why he would make such a claim;Originally Posted by Dioklecian
rick has the following commentary about people that he has typed as ILE.
stephen hawking: "Concerned about making important academic concepts accessible to the average person."
david deutsch: "When LIIs speak on similar subjects, you get a different impression: "wow, this guy has fit everything together conceptually." For the ILE, the act of searching (i.e. simply trying to find new and better ways of looking at things) is more important than the destination itself (i.e. a structured conceptual system)." - ie this is less about complexity than about the ability and process of coming up with an answer.
my claim essentially boils down to the idea that dio's criteria are ridiculous and that he has no idea what he's talking about because he doesn't know how to evaluate his external surroundings. i see this as a feature of Se polr types. and, like many Ti types, he doesn't care in the slightest that his criteria are off; the creation of a system of ideas is more important to him than its the accuracy of its concepts.
The rule usually beats out the exception. His refusal to explain himself is more likely related to weak Ti than an obsession with it. Just like Joy, he might think he knows something, and he may or may not, but regardless, it's hard for him to retrace the logical thought process by which he arrived at his conclusions.Originally Posted by niffweed17
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
that would be a plausible explanation. i don't want to point to one explanation and say that's how he reacts, because that would simply be misinformation, but if you look above or in the richard dawkins thread he gives an explanation of his ideas there.Originally Posted by Gilligan
i could be wrong but i'm led to believe that his observations hold some (albeit bizarre) basis and that he doesn't explain himself simply because he sees no need to do so rather than that he can't.
It is not difficult for me to "retrace the logical thought process by which I arrived at his conclusions" because first of all, as I've stated more times than I can count, when I say something it is not a conclusion. Secondly, as we discussed yesterday, very rarely do I mean what I'm saying literally. Thirdly, I do know why I'm saying something, but even if I'm willing to reveal my reasoning it would take too long to explain how all of the factors involved are connected and it's just simply not worth the effort. And finally, there's this:Originally Posted by Gilligan
The main point of this post though is this: I request that you stop comparing me to Dioklecian. Thank you.Originally Posted by Joy
oh yeah, ENFp sounds better for him than any of the other types suggest
And you seem gamma. ESFp?Originally Posted by he died with a felafel
Edit: Eh. I don't know really.
But Dio might be ENFp. I agree with Joy, and the rest who are suggesting ENFp.
INTp
sx/sp
Nah. That's not what being an introvert is about. Do Phaedrus, Diana, Isha, snegledmaca, tcaudilllg, niffweed17, and other accepted introverts here show any kind of lack of willingness to explain their thoughts when asked? Being an introvert is more about not feeling the need to take initiative, all the time, as a primary drive; not about not being able, or even willing, to be active when requested or when it's necessary.Originally Posted by he died with a felafel
According to your explanation, introverts would hardly ever achieve anything (since they'd be concerned with "conserving energy") which is very obviously not true at all.
Some time ago he used to "explain" his typings exclusively via VI - a VI of the Sergei Ganin school, I think. He also said that he couldn't explain them better since "VI was Ti", which was difficult to explain to others.Originally Posted by niffweed17
Is that still how you see it, Dio?
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
If you are implying that I have an inclination to not typing people as INTp, this is a fallacy since I have recently typed JohnClay, eliphalet's sister, and drd252 precisely as - yes - INTp. I'm also one of the few people here to accept that Phaedrus is more likely INTp rather than INTj. I can also see implied as INTp. So there is no case to say that I am particularly reluctant to type someone as INTp.Originally Posted by XoX
That was a good example of Fe>Te focus, by the way.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
i would have to vehemently disagree that VI is a Ti subject. if dio really does hold that absurd perspective, his suggestion that he can't explain his Ti because it is too weak falls apart very quickly.Originally Posted by Expat
i wouldn't say that making a statement like that is necessarily type related; just erroneous and misguided. if anything, i think that it would also be reflective of strong Ti; i believe that making up portions of theories to tie together concepts is acceptable to a Ti system. that is perhaps what you have here, albeit not a very coherent system or reasonable
suggestions.
although absurd and often remarkably strange, i don't think that viewpoints like this or dio's behavior in general are a result of Ti polr. take a look at the ENFps on this forum; none of them come close to acting this way.
Fair enough.Originally Posted by niffweed17
Does anyone come close to acting this way, in your opinion? It seems to me that the Ti types are rather readier to explain their views.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
i would agree, in general. i don't see anyone who does exactly what dio does, but when the INTjs and ENFps are compared, i see dio's unusual typings and poor explanations to be much more reminiscent of certain INTjs spewing very unusual ideas. look at tcaudillg for an example, who (from what i have seen) has, like dio, developed an extremely dubious method. i am aware that tcaudillg explains his methods more than dio, but given some of his and dio's recent explanations i think they make about as much sense.Originally Posted by Expat
certainly, dio's typings are very different from what ENFps on this forum do; most of them stay away from theoretical or methodological discussion of socionics and simply reflect on their own experiences with the subject. anndelise is an obvious exception, but clearly her explorations are highly different from those of dio.
Just a suggestion, but what about dio being a EII? I've seen EIIs faces go red and just walk away from a conversation if there is too much emphasis on Ti and/or Se.Originally Posted by Expat
Read the Fi section in this article:
http://socionics.us/practice/super_ego.shtml
Dio being a EII would also go in line of him appearing to have Se polr.
lolOriginally Posted by Joy
IEE for Dio.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
It's possible, but I still prefer IEE.Originally Posted by electric
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
i think EII is more likely than IEE, but LII still makes the most sense to me.
YesOriginally Posted by he died with a felafel
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
I don't fully understand what you mean with that phrase. By the way, I am pretty sure of your type. You can chose to send me the money after (and if) you find it to be correct (like Gilligan).Originally Posted by niffweed17
Well I am back. How's everyone? Don't have as much time now, but glad to see some of the old gang are still here.
-I don't see an URGENT need to explain my typings, my theory is that if my typing is correct it will stand the test of time, otherwise it won't. I don't trust my method(s) sufficiently to believe that they give me the correct answer at all times. I am still working on identifying the essence of what "type" is, so the results are primary and methods secondary. That is, I am still changing my methods rather than my results.Originally Posted by Expat
Does that make sense?
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I still hold that VI is Ti, (+Se ) of courseOriginally Posted by niffweed17
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My sister is ENFP and our dynamics are not those of identicals in my opinion.Originally Posted by Gilligan
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The only thing that makes Ti sound more likely than an ethical type is Dioklecian's own descriptions of how socially inept he is and how he has difficulty beginning, maintaining, and understanding relationships. If anything, this seems to be something he needs and welcomes help with. (Please note that I don't mean any offense there, Dioklecian.) He doesn't seem at all insecure about his personal theories and typings and whatnot.
I think ENFp sounded good to me because (aside from just being in a haze right now) I was looking at his pics and thinking that he looks extroverted... plus some of the other stuff that's all ready been mentioned in this thread. At the same time though, when you think about some of the INTjs who've posted here... let's just take Hugo as an example... there seem to be some similarities. The fact that Dioklecian doesn't spooge Ti all over the forum in the form of long mental masturbation posts explaining his theories doesn't mean he doesn't have any.
Has ISTj been suggested yet? I've only skimmed this thread... and I'm not saying that I think he is ISTj (I just think he's Dioklecian). The way he tries to type countries or assume that all *insert whatever type here* are *insert some seriously neurotic behavior here* is worth mentioning because from what I've read (and observed to a lesser extent), people who fit best into the ISTj category tend to be judgmental about whole groups of people like this.
@dio: STFU. if you think i am paying you a cent for you to tell me that i'm SEI, keep waiting.
@joy: dio is the least confrontational person on this forum. there aren't any LSIs to compare him to, but just look at his behavior as compared to somebody like FDG. are they even remotely similar? i don't have any idea how dio could possibly be Se.
I don't see Se...
Good God not SEI.Originally Posted by niffweed17
However I assure you that knowing your type would make you a happier person. 200 bucks seems a very fair price given the verbal abuse I have had to endure from you.
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lol. in this instance, SEI was used exemplum random type which i am nottus which relates to this because whatever type you have in mind is precisely that.
As you wish, the price will increase in the futureOriginally Posted by niffweed17
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Since I have become ESFJ (ESE) I can start typing people based on my subjective experience of the intertype relations and I can definitely feel the asymmetrical relations between me and Dio. I write long and thoughtful posts - he answers with few short sentences at most... Definitely he feels more pressure than I - hence I am supervising Dioklecian, and he is actually ISTP.:wink:
"Arnie is strong, rightfully angry and wants to kill somebody."
martin_g_karlsson
The short replies might be alearnedbehaviour, I had an evil INFP prof who drilled it into me that a sentence is plenty for most emails.Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
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As always these things are not certain certain, but he is very emotional and image conscious.
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INTP I shouldthink, because of thestrategic abilities.
By the way you said that my Ni scares you at times, Could you explain?
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I can say positive things too, you know
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?Originally Posted by CuriousSoul
What doesn't sound Te-ego here is this "just trust me" which is very characteristic of Dio, that is, an unwillingness/inability to explain his conclusions.Originally Posted by he died with a felafel
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
I am just trying to save time usually, or keep my privacy.Originally Posted by Expat
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Originally Posted by Dioklecian
is that your reasoning?
jesus.