Gamma Quadra Movies and TV Shows

[Gilly]

Blow, Scarface, The Shawshank Redemption, Pulp Fiction (maybe Beta?), Gladiator, Forrest Gump

Themes: money, family, isolation, personal acheivment, relationships between two individuals, revenge

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[Exodus]

The Graduate
The Matrix (maybe Delta)
Sideways
Harold and Maude
21 Grams
Akira
The Insider
Identity
Lolita
Rabbit-Proof Fence
War of the Worlds

[Gilly]

Not sure about the Matrix. I tried to place it, but I can't.

[Exodus]

Not sure about the Matrix. I tried to place it, but I can't.

It has universal appeal, I think, but the themes and characters seem Fi-valuing. Agent Smith is obviously some Ti type, for instance.

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.

Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization.

It seems that you've been living two lives. One life, you're Thomas A. Anderson, program writer for a respectable software company. You have a social security number, pay your taxes, and you... help your landlady carry out her garbage. The other life is lived in computers, where you go by the hacker alias "Neo" and are guilty of virtually every computer crime we have a law for. One of these lives has a future, and one of them does not.

Neo: Yeah. That sounds like a really good deal. But I got a better one. How about... I give you the finger... and you give me my phone call?
Agent Smith: Mr. Anderson... you disappoint me.
Neo: You can't scare me with this Gestapo crap. I know my rights. I want my phone call.
Agent Smith: Tell me, Mr. Anderson... what good is a phone call... if you're unable to speak?

Lieutenant: I think we can handle one little girl. I sent two units, they're bringing her down now.
Agent Smith: No lieutenant, your men are already dead.

[Exodus]

Actually I think it's Delta.

[Gilly]

Yeah, Delta could work. Aristocracy seems like a pretty constant theme, IMO: it's all about two large "factions" going up against one another, which usually spells Beta/Delta to me.

[Gilly]

Oh, and Smith is totally LSI, although that first block of quotation you posted is pretty heavily (although the fact that it took him so long to perform that kind of analysis would make Ne PoLR make sense).

[Exodus]

Oh, and Smith is totally LSI, although that first block of quotation you posted is pretty heavily (although the fact that it took him so long to perform that kind of analysis would make Ne PoLR make sense).

Yes, and Cypher ESTp, maybe.

This is what I mean about the characters' types defining the message of the movie: some characters (along with their values) are portrayed positively and others negatively.

[Gilly]

Cypher is ILE all the way.

[1981slater]

Some random thoughts...

Prison Break (1-it's not a movie 2-Scofield is an INTj and Burrows is an ESFj but the series strike me as gamma...money,family, destroying an enemy...)

Cape Fear

Robocop (yes!!, Robocop is an ISFj built by an ENTj mega-corporation taking revenge over bad guys in the name of his prime directives)

Jurassic Park (a group of Alphas rejecting gamma ideas)

Basic Instinct (agressor-victim relationship)

Fatal Attraction (Michael Douglas always plays the role of victim)

[leckysupport]

Alvin and the chipmunks.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0952640/

[strrrng]

Man on Fire and Michael Clayton (both starring gammas, Denzel Washington and George Clooney).

[Khamelion]

Man on Fire and Michael Clayton (both starring gammas, Denzel Washington and George Clooney).

i second this

[Park]

Inside Man

[Exodus]

Cypher is ILE all the way.

Why?

[Gilly]

I don't see any . He also doesn't seem to have much invested in the whole "team spirit" idea.

[KSpin]

I don't like most of those films you've mentioned. Too boring.

Forrest Gump, War of the Worlds, and The Matrix (although the first film was a lot, lot better than the other two). Those are the only ones I enjoyed, if I've even tried watching the others.

[Expat]

[Expat]

the Rocky films
Heavy Metal (1981)
Batman Begins
Wuthering Heights

[Blaze]

Heavy Metal? that seems totally alpha

[Expat]

Heavy Metal? that seems totally alpha

On the surface, yes -- but the connecting theme of the movie, as made clear in the Taarna episode (which is sheer Gamma), is Gamma I think.

[Blaze]

really? what's gamma about it?

[Expat]

Self-sacrifice for the purpose of revenge and destroying an enemy (the Loc-Nar), and for the greater good. That is sheer , , . If you see the whole movie as spun around that, it makes sense, although individual episodes such as Captain Sternn, and the one about the secretary with the alien robot, are Alpha.

[Blaze]

STERN STERN STERN!!!!

lol what a great movie. yeah, i could go for heavy metal being sort of alpha-gamma. not a combination you see that often!

[Skepsis]

I don't know if it's gamma, but The Killing is a dark and moody tv series that takes place in Seattle, WA. It was pretty depressing; I like it.

[Zero]

Sieger is ESI and Marc seems LIE, it's a gay themed movie also about running. (For some reason these two usually like running, in my experience)
Also Sieger's brother Eddy is SLE, and the supervision is obvious. And I guess their father is SLI, which is also played very well.

[Kill4Me]

Theron plays Mavis a ESI 6w5 sp/sx.

[Kill4Me]

Negan is LIE-Te 8w7 so/sp. George Patton closest real life counterpart.

[PussyInASarcophagus]

Gamma movies from this year:

- Widows
https://youtu.be/nN2yBBSRC78

- Vice
https://youtu.be/jO3GsRQO0dM

[Khamelion]

Not sure about the Matrix. I tried to place it, but I can't.

I've heard someone say that all the characters are INTp...but MBTI INTp I think it was....

[Logos]

Not sure about the Matrix. I tried to place it, but I can't.

I've heard someone say that all the characters are INTp...but MBTI INTp I think it was....

I doubt that. We can always see what people think about it in a What's My Type thread?

[leckysupport]

The Departed

[Gilly]

Not sure about the Matrix. I tried to place it, but I can't.

I've heard someone say that all the characters are INTp...but MBTI INTp I think it was....

I think the movie is Ni, and idealistic rebellion (as opposed to reformation) always makes me think more Fe/Ti, especially Beta. However, the focus of the movie, like the Tarentino flicks, is more on the relationships between individuals than the atmosphere or group interaction. As for the characters, my best guesses would be:

Neo: LII
Trinity: SLI
Morpheus: ESI
Smith: LSI

The super-ego between Morpheus and Neo, while not to be expected from their formal relationship, is suggested throughout the movie: Morpheus "believes" in Neo and the prophecy unwaveringly, even when Neo doubts it. Neo shows weak - "I'm not the One!" and Morpheus comes back with the various forms of "Yes you are" (seeing the reality of Neo's power in the matrix [Se] and refusing to believe that reality won't conform to the prophecy, and his beliefs will be wrong (insecure Ti, Ni HA).

[Expat]

How about Blood Diamond?

That's mainly Delta as a movie, but with a Gamma flavor imo.

[Expat]

Themes: money, family, isolation, personal acheivment, relationships between two individuals, revenge

This will be perhaps be controversial -- but the original Superman - Superman II duo as conceived by Richard Donner (not as it was eventually released) was Gamma, Donner himself said that the film's overall theme was the relationship between father and son.

The Krypton sequences are most clearly Gamma (Jor-El - ENTj, Lara - ISFj), the remainder of the film less clearly so, but it becomes more obvious if you watch the new "Richard Donner cut" of Superman II, with all the Brando (Jor-El) scenes that had been removed for the theatrical version (and which made a total mess of the plot).

[Gilly]

I'm glad you brought this up; I just recently had a conversation in pm with Diana in which I noticed a similar pattern:

(Diana's text is in regular, mine is in Italics, comments in bold)

O Brother, Where art Thou -- ? At first glance, I'd say Alpha for the silly feel. However, it is based on the Odyssey, a classic example of the "hero quest" concept, which is every bit Ni/Se (self-improvement, experience; these are major Gamma themes). It's also about camaraderie (aristocracy or Fi) and the wavering relationships between Everett and his friends and family: this could be dynamic ethics (Fe), especially considering the lighthearted atmosphere of the movie. I'll go with Beta.

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Spiderman2 -- ? Eh, superhero movies tend to be Gamma, because they usually have a lot to do with the superhero's relationships and moral judgments (Fi). Also, superhero *Should be "hero quest" instead of "superhero"* stories, like the Odyssey, (This was a slip-up :X usually have lots of elements of the "hero quest" concept. [/i]

So basically Superhero movies share the "hero quest" element with stories like the Odyssey, but in addition, Superhero movies are usually Fi>Fe because of the tendency for superhero movies to focus more heavily on the relationships of the hero with individuals, rather than a group of people interating with either an individual or another group; this would imply an Fe focus, as in V for Vendetta:

V for Vendetta -- beta or gamma V is ALL about the Extraverted Feeling . Also, major Aristocracy. He tries to bring people together based on common opinions of the current government: "But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot." Harkening back to old heroes and holidays to spark a revolution - Beta for sure.

(And although I didn't mention it hereo, V for Vendetta also has some of the makings of a Hero Quest story, as does the Matrix)

[Expat]

So basically Superhero movies share the "hero quest" element with stories like the Odyssey, but in addition, Superhero movies are usually Fi>Fe because of the tendency for superhero movies to focus more heavily on the relationships of the hero with individuals, rather than a group of people interating with either an individual or another group; this would imply an Fe focus, as in V for Vendetta:

Oh yeah. I had previously mentioned that The Odyssey - also its film versions, like the tv one with Armand Assante - is Gamma, and particularly in that version Odysseus is ENTj and Peneloppe is ISFj, clearly so.

By contrast, the X-Men is more Delta than Gamma.

[Gilly]

Good call, that's an excellent comparison/counter-example.

[speakeasy]

The Count of Monte Cristo; Drunken Master II; Kung Fu Hustle

[Expat]

The Count of Monte Cristo is perhaps the ultimate Gamma story.