I only looked at last page and did a quick thread search so don't know if this was mentioned. I feel the overall vibe is Gamma/Beta.
I only looked at last page and did a quick thread search so don't know if this was mentioned. I feel the overall vibe is Gamma/Beta.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
I've started watching vikings and alot of the main characters look gamma to me. I'm only on season 1 as of now.
Ragnar- SEE-Fi
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Lagertha- SEE-Se
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Earl Haraldson- LIE-Te
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Floki- SEE-Se
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Siggy Haraldson- ESI-Se
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Athelstan- ILI-Ni
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And I'll submit some directors in general:
Andrzej Zulawski
William Friedkin
Abel Ferrara
Johnnie To
I'm still somewhat new to all this but if I had to name some Gamma anime:
Anything that Gen Urobuchi (aka the Urobutcher) is involved in.
Gakkou Gurashi (Look really, really closely at that cutesy first episode, things aren't as they appear)
Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni
Kara No Kyoukai: The Garden of Sinners
Any thoughts on that? Have I perhaps mistyped these shows as Gamma when they're really for another quadra?
ILI - SEE duality
Nah, Ragnar is closer to SLE.
Athelstan is probably IEI, although the part about him being a bookish scribe kind of does make him seem ILI. I guess ILI would superficially work for him. He is becomes basically this fusion of christian and pagan world views. His character allowed the show's writers to explore the rich cultural differences, legends and myths of the times, while demonstrating the conflicting world views of the newly spreading christian faiths with a monothiestic God. Ragnar was basically deeply enamoured with him, as if Athelstan was some kind of special jewel. From the very start Ragnar wanted "the priest" by his side, and this become especially apparant when Ragnar was betrayed by Athelstan when he chose his faith over Ragnar. And even then Ragnar still, for lack of a better term, loved him. The guy was Ni incarnate, so Ni-dom works.
Siggy is ESI, no arguments there. I like how she redeemed herself for saving Lothbrooks kids in the frozen lake. She always knows what is going on between everyone, and she has that Se strength. I noticed how she basically supervised Ragnar through out the show. She had a power over him that he could never quite figure out, nor change. It wasnt altogether a positive relationship, but Siggy, despite her role as the slain Earl's wife, easily ingratiated herself in the new society run by Ragnar. He didnt like her, but he respected her and almost could not touch her, even if his trust for her fluctuated. She basically was always aware of how people should behave and wasnt shy about expressing such in one to one conversations. In the group, she prefered a background role. Also, the secret social climber.
SEE for Floki works. Such an interesting portrayl by the actor.
Lagertha is a difficult one for typing. I could see another SEE for her. Very powerful feminine figure, which is probably what the shows writers wanted to convey: the place women held in Norse society. Potential equal positions with men, which was demonstrated when she became the Earl, and when she could remarry if she chose. I am thinking back to the scene where her and Ragnar both came out naked to invite Athelstan to have sex with them. She was very aggressor type sexually in this scene, and I saw her and Ragnar as basically similar, Se-dom sociotypes.
Earl Haraldson played such a minor role, and only a little in the first season, he is difficult for typing. LIE could work, but there are key pieces missing.
Rolo is a difficult type to figure out. I'm going to say LIE for now
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Watching the series a second time now, and I want to change that Rolo Lothbrook typing from LIE into SLI. The actor that plays him seems like gabin.
At first I thought it was too gloomy, and the english dubbing kinda kills me, but I stuck with it just because of the cinematography... it's gorgeous. Now I'm hooked on the plot. It's very Ni+Fi heavy.
The Punisher on Netflix is all Gamma. Lead LIE, his sidekick (Couple episodes in) ILI, almost EVERY female is ESI, all want to help rogue LIE in his task. Couple beta side characters but basically all Gamma. Simplified Fi to the max, if they're bad they die. It's a real hoot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9A-tG_tPP4
Similarity to IT never occurred to me, but watching the trailer I think I see what you mean.. a team of kids, cycling time periods... they're not united and bonded like in IT though, at least not at this point. And the adults play an equal or larger role. The Killing has caught my eye, but I haven't watched it. I'll check it out if you think it's good.
I definitely agree, the entire time watching it I was just thinking about how Gamma themed the show was. Every Gamma value is showcased extremely well in Frank, from his desire to take out exclusively bad guys (Fi), his strategic planning skills (Ni), his grittiness/brutality (Se), and his preference for taking out enemies in the most effective way possible via guns unlike most other marvel heroes, notably Daredevil (Te).
I haven't seen Dark yet, but I was thinking, based on the trailer alone, the similarity was more in the complacency and illness of the town which allows evil(however defined) to endure and the recurrence of the evil involving the death of the youth.
Did you watch the full series?
Sieger is ESI and Marc seems LIE, it's a gay themed movie also about running. (For some reason these two usually like running, in my experience)
Also Sieger's brother Eddy is SLE, and the supervision is obvious. And I guess their father is SLI, which is also played very well.
Great film. The whole theme of existential conflict over the pursuit of a potentially compromised cause struck me as very topically gamma.
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Theron plays Mavis a ESI 6w5 sp/sx.
I'm pretty sure she's eie in that movie though
it's a satirical representation of the female eie socionics portrait if it were fleshed out to the most ridiculous degree, she reminds me a lot of emma roberts' character from adult world, which is a pretty good fictional example of the beta vs delta clash in terms of their conflicting brands of aristocracy
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Emma Roberts plays an ENFp-Ne in Adult World.
That's Ne/Fi. IEE-Ne cognition does not structure feelings until after they've been expressed and thrown about, so Fi is put in the position of cleaning up the messiness of Ne. Ne subtype reinforces the multi-directional antennae. Hence, Amy has a more splayed out and impulsive cognition not present in the initial way in which Mavis sizes up and presents information (unless she's drunk). Fi/fe cognition metabolizes information in a more structured and pre-arranged manner.
Naturally, any socionics type can mistreat people and go through life narcissistically stuck in the past or future. narcissism is not particular to any one type, so in that way her and mavis may overlap in general behaviors/hang-ups. narcissism in ESI takes on a rather solipsistic flavor, like Mavis, who is contextually/interpersonally unaware and inside a world of her own...it makes almost every interaction people have with the narcissistic ESI awkward, choppy, and somewhat pointless, like attempting to play catch with a porcupine.
A good look into gamma-delta Fi dynamics and how ESI Fi really works.
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ESI - LIE relationship
Negan is LIE-Te 8w7 so/sp. George Patton closest real life counterpart.
Gamma movies from this year:
- Widows
https://youtu.be/nN2yBBSRC78
- Vice
https://youtu.be/jO3GsRQO0dM
I watch about three movies (on CD) per year, maybe fewer, but I watched one last night. I like romantic comedies, and found "50 First Dates" in the library and had some time, so I just watched it. My movie watching is caught up to 2004 now.
I'm not sure that this is a Gamma movie per se. I did a search for it on this site and @Kim (IEE) loved it, but I (LIE) thought it was pretty good, too.
The movie's hook, which was that a woman lost her short term memory so that the previous day is forgotten, seems not so much a Gamma theme as it is a low-Ni theme; If you don't know (can't remember) how you got here, you can't decide what to do next. You have to draw on your long term experiences. This is ESI through and through.
Adam Sandler seems ESI to me. Most MBTI sites call him IEI, but that is ludicrous. He has the Se energy and Fi morals of an ESI. I don't think he's personally progressed to dualization yet, though, because the throw-away redhead he has dinner with seems LIE to me, and he rejected her immediately.
Drew Barrymore, whom I've never seen in a movie before, is ESI, plain as day. That girl is like every ESI I've ever met. Alternately moralizing and forward sex-in-your-face-right-now.
Even though Sandler and Barrymore are the same type, I think they are different in some other way. Perhaps subtype, with Barrymore an ESI-Se and Sandler an ESI-0.
Sandler and Barrymore have an Identity relationship going and really seem to like each other. In Hollywood, land of the Narcissists, it is probably magical to meet someone just like yourself.
Sandler's side-kick Ula is ESI-Fi. He's the twin of an ESI-Fi woman I know.
Sandler's co-worker Alexa is probably meant to be ILI. Outwardly asexual, inwardly a raging sex-fiend.
Barrymore's father is about the purest representation of an LSE that I have ever seen. Caring, logical, can't see into the future at all, caretaking his daughter and defending her against all of those bastards who want to date her.
In the movie, Sandler's character is asked why he wants to date a woman who doesn't remember him, and he says he doesn't know, other than she makes him feel good. If that isn't the exact response that I have to my duals, then I don't know what duality is. The only problem with this is that I really don't think Sandler is LIE. I think he's ESI.
Sandler is a strange ESI in some ways. I was trying to figure out if he might be an ESE, but he "feels" ESI to me, and I don't think he could surround himself with so many Gammas by accident.
Anyway, while the movie might not be Gamma in the larger sense, it is pure ESI in the specifics, and I found it to be entertaining in a nice, fluffy way.
My SLI ex and I bought that movie together and he adored it and I was like "eh." Kinda interesting, since Kim loved it. Wonder how her and my ex would get along.
She and your ex would get along or not, depending on their sub-types.
I have three lifetime's of experience with SLI's, and about half that with IEE's, and the degree that they get along is highly dependent on sub-type. SLI-Te's go with IEE-Fi's, and not with IEE-Ne's.
I remember seeing a picture of @Kim, and I think she's the IEE-Fi subtype, but I could be mistaken. One picture is not much to go on. She looks more like my IEE-Fi bookkeeper than my IEE-Ne sister-in-law.
I just watched the movie Tallulah, and I think the characters were ESI(Tallulah) and LIE(Nico and his mom Margo). Really enjoyed it.
I don't watch a lot of tv, but when I do, it's something like the terminator. Quality format.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology
An optimist - does not get discouraged under any circumstances. Life upheavals and stressful events only toughen him and make more confident. He likes to laugh and entertain people. Enters contact with someone by involving him with a humorous remark. His humor is often sly and contain hints and double meanings. Easily enters into arguments and bets, especially if he is challenged. When arguing his points is often ironic, ridicules the views of his opponent. His irritability and hot temper may be unpleasant to others. However, he himself is not perceptive of this and believes that he is simply exchanging opinions.
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=LIE_Profile_by_Gulenko
Three Kingdom: Gamma/Beta
It's kind of a "Game of Throne" China version, base on an old novel that base on real history.
The strongest lord is an SEE(or LIE), and one of his greatest advisor is an ILI. After the SEE and his son die, the ILI advisor just took over the SEE's entire kingdom, just becasue he doesn't want to get kill by the other members of the dynasty lol
The SEE's rival is an IEI or EIE, his greatest advisor is also an EIE.
The series is basically Beta vs Gamma, with the Beta trying to restore the traditional codes and rules (at least from the outside), when the Gamma just doesn't give a shit about tradition and just take over everything. So the Gamma look like bad guy here. But it doesn't matter, we win in the end, and the SEE(or LIE) lord is consider as one of the greatest king/leader in China's history
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True detective. Sex, drugs, power, mysteries. Rust is ili I believe... Marty might be SEE. But the overall vibe is gamma in that dangerous sx instinct way (that's not uncommon with gammas).
i associate the cyberpunk genre with gamma - distrust of centralised authority and group-identity, bleak, violent, philosophical and reflective, bereft of natural beauty, technologically and terminologically complicated
Interestingly enough, one of the seminal novels which introduced cyberbunk was Neuromancer, written by William Gibson, whom I type as Alpha LII. And yes, @blaecaedre, it is and has "distrust of centralised authority and group-identity, bleak, violent, philosophical and reflective, bereft of natural beauty, technologically and terminologically complicated."
Kind of LII, if you ask me.
I absolutely can't read his writing.
On the other hand, Snow Crash was close to cyberpunk, but it was written by Neal Stephenson, whom I type as Gamma ESI. But Alpha did it first and, evidently, best.
@Adam Strange
>William Gibson, whom I type as Alpha LII
I watched a few clips and thought ILX; seems irrational
William Gibson, like nearly all sci-fi writers, is an IEI in my opinion. Come on guys, the type is called lyric for a reason
https://static.spin.com/files/2019/0...1567276411.jpg
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Doesn't even look like one at all.
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