ESI - LIE relationship
ESI - LIE relationship
I watch about three movies (on CD) per year, maybe fewer, but I watched one last night. I like romantic comedies, and found "50 First Dates" in the library and had some time, so I just watched it. My movie watching is caught up to 2004 now.
I'm not sure that this is a Gamma movie per se. I did a search for it on this site and @Kim (IEE) loved it, but I (LIE) thought it was pretty good, too.
The movie's hook, which was that a woman lost her short term memory so that the previous day is forgotten, seems not so much a Gamma theme as it is a low-Ni theme; If you don't know (can't remember) how you got here, you can't decide what to do next. You have to draw on your long term experiences. This is ESI through and through.
Adam Sandler seems ESI to me. Most MBTI sites call him IEI, but that is ludicrous. He has the Se energy and Fi morals of an ESI. I don't think he's personally progressed to dualization yet, though, because the throw-away redhead he has dinner with seems LIE to me, and he rejected her immediately.
Drew Barrymore, whom I've never seen in a movie before, is ESI, plain as day. That girl is like every ESI I've ever met. Alternately moralizing and forward sex-in-your-face-right-now.
Even though Sandler and Barrymore are the same type, I think they are different in some other way. Perhaps subtype, with Barrymore an ESI-Se and Sandler an ESI-0.
Sandler and Barrymore have an Identity relationship going and really seem to like each other. In Hollywood, land of the Narcissists, it is probably magical to meet someone just like yourself.
Sandler's side-kick Ula is ESI-Fi. He's the twin of an ESI-Fi woman I know.
Sandler's co-worker Alexa is probably meant to be ILI. Outwardly asexual, inwardly a raging sex-fiend.
Barrymore's father is about the purest representation of an LSE that I have ever seen. Caring, logical, can't see into the future at all, caretaking his daughter and defending her against all of those bastards who want to date her.
In the movie, Sandler's character is asked why he wants to date a woman who doesn't remember him, and he says he doesn't know, other than she makes him feel good. If that isn't the exact response that I have to my duals, then I don't know what duality is. The only problem with this is that I really don't think Sandler is LIE. I think he's ESI.
Sandler is a strange ESI in some ways. I was trying to figure out if he might be an ESE, but he "feels" ESI to me, and I don't think he could surround himself with so many Gammas by accident.
Anyway, while the movie might not be Gamma in the larger sense, it is pure ESI in the specifics, and I found it to be entertaining in a nice, fluffy way.
My SLI ex and I bought that movie together and he adored it and I was like "eh." Kinda interesting, since Kim loved it. Wonder how her and my ex would get along.
She and your ex would get along or not, depending on their sub-types.
I have three lifetime's of experience with SLI's, and about half that with IEE's, and the degree that they get along is highly dependent on sub-type. SLI-Te's go with IEE-Fi's, and not with IEE-Ne's.
I remember seeing a picture of @Kim, and I think she's the IEE-Fi subtype, but I could be mistaken. One picture is not much to go on. She looks more like my IEE-Fi bookkeeper than my IEE-Ne sister-in-law.
I just watched the movie Tallulah, and I think the characters were ESI(Tallulah) and LIE(Nico and his mom Margo). Really enjoyed it.
I don't watch a lot of tv, but when I do, it's something like the terminator. Quality format.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology
An optimist - does not get discouraged under any circumstances. Life upheavals and stressful events only toughen him and make more confident. He likes to laugh and entertain people. Enters contact with someone by involving him with a humorous remark. His humor is often sly and contain hints and double meanings. Easily enters into arguments and bets, especially if he is challenged. When arguing his points is often ironic, ridicules the views of his opponent. His irritability and hot temper may be unpleasant to others. However, he himself is not perceptive of this and believes that he is simply exchanging opinions.
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=LIE_Profile_by_Gulenko
Three Kingdom: Gamma/Beta
It's kind of a "Game of Throne" China version, base on an old novel that base on real history.
The strongest lord is an SEE(or LIE), and one of his greatest advisor is an ILI. After the SEE and his son die, the ILI advisor just took over the SEE's entire kingdom, just becasue he doesn't want to get kill by the other members of the dynasty lol
The SEE's rival is an IEI or EIE, his greatest advisor is also an EIE.
The series is basically Beta vs Gamma, with the Beta trying to restore the traditional codes and rules (at least from the outside), when the Gamma just doesn't give a shit about tradition and just take over everything. So the Gamma look like bad guy here. But it doesn't matter, we win in the end, and the SEE(or LIE) lord is consider as one of the greatest king/leader in China's history
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True detective. Sex, drugs, power, mysteries. Rust is ili I believe... Marty might be SEE. But the overall vibe is gamma in that dangerous sx instinct way (that's not uncommon with gammas).
i associate the cyberpunk genre with gamma - distrust of centralised authority and group-identity, bleak, violent, philosophical and reflective, bereft of natural beauty, technologically and terminologically complicated
Interestingly enough, one of the seminal novels which introduced cyberbunk was Neuromancer, written by William Gibson, whom I type as Alpha LII. And yes, @blaecaedre, it is and has "distrust of centralised authority and group-identity, bleak, violent, philosophical and reflective, bereft of natural beauty, technologically and terminologically complicated."
Kind of LII, if you ask me.
I absolutely can't read his writing.
On the other hand, Snow Crash was close to cyberpunk, but it was written by Neal Stephenson, whom I type as Gamma ESI. But Alpha did it first and, evidently, best.
I wonder where I disagreed here, I always thought Delta since it seemed to have the lack of Ni and Se.
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Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel: "The history of the world is none other than the progress of the consciousness of freedom."
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>William Gibson, whom I type as Alpha LII
I watched a few clips and thought ILX; seems irrational
Have you watched "Cyberpunk: Edgerunners" by chance? I'd recommend it. David is an EIE and Rebecca is an SEE by my reconning. Of course she developed feelings for him but he didn't reciprocate as Lucy was closer to an LSI and duals naturally attract each other with greater intensity and, well, Rebecca was still an valuer. She would ride or die even if it didn't work out as she'd like.
That's kind of what I find most attractive about the women and most worthy of my loyalty in regards to male types. It's hard to get them behind you, but once they are, they are down to follow you into the very depths of hell itself for they know that you wouldn't burn them if you weren't willing to go through ten times worse if it meant the success of everyone behind you.
I'd also argue that, by extension, if someone's going to go on a suicide mission it's likely a Gamma. The most hardcore suicide missions are most likely undertaken by ILI's. After all, we can see that one percent chance that we actually dodge that bullet and somehow come out the other side of that nuclear explosion alive. Flown unto the endless void of space but somehow someone would see where we likely got flung. .0001% chance is always better than absolute zero...
William Gibson, like nearly all sci-fi writers, is an IEI in my opinion. Come on guys, the type is called lyric for a reason
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Doesn't even look like one at all.
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Scene one: "These rude bastards...so inconsiderate..." *pulls some stunt to get them to pay her the attention she is owed, then thanks them for their consideration sarcastically and walks away*
Stoker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWrXKoTpL0&t=51sat least the girl seemed ILI