Expat's socionics type test

[Expat]

I have noticed a very major flaw in this test --

Ni people also very often focus on pseudo-Si images, like "a house on the beach, flowers, nice paintings" etc etc. Even going into great detail.

An example is King Ludwig II, who was Ni if anyone was, who dedicated a lot of his time and all of his money to build very personal fairy-tale castles:







Yet, he would live in them even if the plumbing wasn't working, if the walls were still being furnished, etc.

I have to discount such things as evidence of someone being of a Si quadra; that applies only in cases such as cracka's, when there is strong focus on actually building and repairing things with their own hands.

[Kristiina]

<3 the castle.

I have notices similar things in my own behavior - idea of something is more important than the reality behind it. Who needs plumbing if they can say that they live in a castle like that. I can endure discomfort if I think it's worth it to achieve the end goal. This is also the reason why I think that weightlifting is very beta. (or at least Se/Ni)

[Jimbean]

This test has worked well so far although it may need follow-up questions.

I don't really care about my own type too much, but for fun I want to see what you say about how I answer these quesitons

1) How do you imagine yourself spending your retirement - assuming you retire in comfortable, but realistic circumstances (unless you're rich anyway)? What would you like to do, and how would you spend your day, where would you prefer to live? Etc.

First of all, I don't want to retire . I have this dream of building an empire that creates things that people can use and enjoy. I like to work and get X amount of things finished and made to look better. I also like to continue to meet new people. I don't like the idea of retirement at all

I suppose my second answer (if the first one is not adequete) would be that I would like to go places, be more phyically active (even more than I am now) and to meet more people.

2) Same question, but suppose you would retire as a very wealthy person. What would you do then? Laze about in Tahiti like Marlon Brando? Devote yourself to flying around the world like Richard Branson? Etc etc.

build castles (well, sort of) create things that people can marvel,

.... run for president

[Jimbean]

I can endure discomfort if I think it's worth it to achieve the end goal.

I was thinking about adding something like that in my above post.

[Expat]

First of all, I don't want to retire . I have this dream of building an empire that creates things that people can use and enjoy. I like to work and get X amount of things finished and made to look better. I also like to continue to meet new people. I don't like the idea of retirement at all

I suppose my second answer (if the first one is not adequete) would be that I would like to go places, be more phyically active (even more than I am now) and to meet more people.

build castles (well, sort of) create things that people can marvel,

.... run for president

The only thing that seems more or less clear is extroversion.

It's not very much but I'd go for an Alpha or Beta extrovert.

[Park]

This test has worked well so far although it may need follow-up questions.

1) How do you imagine yourself ...

That's all I needed to read...

- I don't.

[socionics_dude]

1) How do you imagine yourself spending your retirement - assuming you retire in comfortable, but realistic circumstances (unless you're rich anyway)? What would you like to do, and how would you spend your day, where would you prefer to live? Etc.
Maybe it's my age, but I find it very difficult to imagine where I'll be at this time. I'd probably look good for my age, wander around living the "good life" as I put it, i.e. living in the country, excercising, eating great foods and then actively socialising with my friends.

2) Same question, but suppose you would retire as a very wealthy person. What would you do then? Laze about in Tahiti like Marlon Brando? Devote yourself to flying around the world like Richard Branson? Etc etc

This wouldn't make much difference. I'd still do some form of work, maybe have a few more expensive hobbies. Spend money on seeing the world, trying out nice foods, and seeing different cultures.

[Ezra]

This test has worked well so far although it may need follow-up questions.

1) How do you imagine yourself spending your retirement - assuming you retire in comfortable, but realistic circumstances (unless you're rich anyway)? What would you like to do, and how would you spend your day, where would you prefer to live? Etc.

I'd live in some hills near a forest somewhere; somewhere I could walk as little or as often as I please. I'd eat, watch films and revel in music. I'd discuss socionics, history, politics and philosophy into the night. In essence, everything I'm doing now without the academia.

2) Same question, but suppose you would retire as a very wealthy person. What would you do then? Laze about in Tahiti like Marlon Brando? Devote yourself to flying around the world like Richard Branson? Etc etc.

I'd travel all over the world, and spend my money on delights like continental hotels and dinner parties, sunny Italian, Spanish and Greek late nights in the market square with a cocktail, hiking all over the Far East, and covering South American jungle, cities and mountains, driving across the North American continent, exploring Africa in its entirety on camel in the north and in car and bus in the south and the west, chilling on South Pacific islands watching the setting sun, and making things in the day with the locals, like wells and libraries. I'd teach them to read and write.

[Shades of Gray]

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1) How do you imagine yourself spending your retirement - assuming you retire in comfortable, but realistic circumstances (unless you're rich anyway)? What would you like to do, and how would you spend your day, where would you prefer to live? Etc.

I would live on a modest property of 4-10 acres in the suburbs of some moderate climate city. I like summer, but I enjoy snowboarding quite a bit. Although, I may not be able to snowboard when I retire. I guess it will depend on my health. I'd go back to school and become an economist, financial planner, or something similar. Manage my own money, and maybe have a small business, but I'm not much of a business minded person, but I like to help people, and be seen as competent.

2) Same question, but suppose you would retire as a very wealthy person. What would you do then? Laze about in Tahiti like Marlon Brando? Devote yourself to flying around the world like Richard Branson? Etc etc.

If I retired wealthy, I'd probably go to some poor country and find a very poor village. I'd set up things like running water, indoor plumbing, solar panels for electricity, and then study how their lives change, and the way they act changes, as their lives become easier, and yet more difficult.

[aestrivex]

This test has worked well so far although it may need follow-up questions.

1) How do you imagine yourself spending your retirement - assuming you retire in comfortable, but realistic circumstances (unless you're rich anyway)? What would you like to do, and how would you spend your day, where would you prefer to live? Etc.

I would live on a modest property of 4-10 acres in the suburbs of some moderate climate city. I like summer, but I enjoy snowboarding quite a bit. Although, I may not be able to snowboard when I retire. I guess it will depend on my health. I'd go back to school and become an economist, financial planner, or something similar. Manage my own money, and maybe have a small business, but I'm not much of a business minded person, but I like to help people, and be seen as competent.

2) Same question, but suppose you would retire as a very wealthy person. What would you do then? Laze about in Tahiti like Marlon Brando? Devote yourself to flying around the world like Richard Branson? Etc etc.

If I retired wealthy, I'd probably go to some poor country and find a very poor village. I'd set up things like running water, indoor plumbing, solar panels for electricity, and then study how their lives change, and the way they act changes, as their lives become easier, and yet more difficult.

this seems to demonstrate a clear focus on Te and Si, as well as extolling delta values in helping people with practical details and necessities. i'd say delta ST is fairly likely.

[Binky]

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This test has worked well so far although it may need follow-up questions.

1) How do you imagine yourself spending your retirement - assuming you retire in comfortable, but realistic circumstances (unless you're rich anyway)? What would you like to do, and how would you spend your day, where would you prefer to live? Etc.

Houseboat or Luxury Yatch. Living on the lake or out at sea. Most likely blowing my pension on comic books and still living with an internet connection.

2) Same question, but suppose you would retire as a very wealthy person. What would you do then? Laze about in Tahiti like Marlon Brando? Devote yourself to flying around the world like Richard Branson? Etc etc.

The Brando route.

[Expat]

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Erratically. I will continue to do it though.

This test has worked well so far although it may need follow-up questions.

1) How do you imagine yourself spending your retirement - assuming you retire in comfortable, but realistic circumstances (unless you're rich anyway)? What would you like to do, and how would you spend your day, where would you prefer to live? Etc.

Houseboat or Luxury Yatch. Living on the lake or out at sea. Most likely blowing my pension on comic books and still living with an internet connection.

More information would be helpful. This merely suggests a Ne-Si quadra, that is Alpha or Delta. I would say Alpha is more likely since you answered in a Ti-like fashion.

[Expat]

I'd live in some hills near a forest somewhere; somewhere I could walk as little or as often as I please. I'd eat, watch films and revel in music. I'd discuss socionics, history, politics and philosophy into the night. In essence, everything I'm doing now without the academia.

Suggests Ni rather than Si or Ne.

I'd travel all over the world, and spend my money on delights like continental hotels and dinner parties, sunny Italian, Spanish and Greek late nights in the market square with a cocktail, hiking all over the Far East, and covering South American jungle, cities and mountains, driving across the North American continent, exploring Africa in its entirety on camel in the north and in car and bus in the south and the west, chilling on South Pacific islands watching the setting sun, and making things in the day with the locals, like wells and libraries. I'd teach them to read and write.

I think Ni rather than Ne, perhaps some Se and Fe and EP temperament.

Perhaps you could elaborate on why you want to do these things.

[Binky]

More information would be helpful.

Like what?

[Ezra]

I'd live in some hills near a forest somewhere; somewhere I could walk as little or as often as I please. I'd eat, watch films and revel in music. I'd discuss socionics, history, politics and philosophy into the night. In essence, everything I'm doing now without the academia.

Suggests Ni rather than Si or Ne.

I'd travel all over the world, and spend my money on delights like continental hotels and dinner parties, sunny Italian, Spanish and Greek late nights in the market square with a cocktail, hiking all over the Far East, and covering South American jungle, cities and mountains, driving across the North American continent, exploring Africa in its entirety on camel in the north and in car and bus in the south and the west, chilling on South Pacific islands watching the setting sun, and making things in the day with the locals, like wells and libraries. I'd teach them to read and write.

I think Ni rather than Ne, perhaps some Se and Fe and EP temperament.

Perhaps you could elaborate on why you want to do these things.

First one, it is the epitome of pleasure. It is the highest measure a human can reach. I'm also a big fan of Epicurus, but I'm a bit more luxurious than he.

Second one, I can't be arsed any more. Seeing the world isn't that important to me now. No, if I was wealthy, I'd invest most of it in ethical stuff, and then donate a load to charity. I'd probably travel around Britain and sort it all out. Or I'd become a politician.

[hellothere]

Hi Expat, I've been admiring from afar your clarity of thought (maybe thats not the right phrase... perhaps just your general 'logicalness'), and I came across this thread, so I'd really like to see what you can glean from my answers:

1) I'd like to read, keep educating myself, keep up to date with what was happening in the world. Take care of my parents and make sure my kids (if I have any) are happy, give them guidance. I'd like to spend peaceful time outside, walking around, observing nature, by myself or with one other person. I'd like some hobby that I could keep myself occupied with, not have to think too much - a way to relax and be productive - like making music, or crafting musical instruments. I'd like to spend time with my friends, talking about their lives, reminiscing, laughing, discussing opinions on current issues. The house I live in wouldn't be too important, as long as it was aesthetically pleasing to me/not too stark. I think living somewhere far away from the city would be nice in a way, but I think I'd want to have more contact with what was happening in the world. Still making some contribution to other people's lives. Maybe catch up on the things that I would have liked to do in my youth, but felt like I shouldn't waste my time doing because there were other things I could have only done when I was young.

2) Assuming I grow out of my shyness, I'd like to travel around the world, learn about other people's lives and cultures (I'd only do this if I had a lot of money because otherwise travel wouldn't be very high on a list of things to do with my money). Perhaps do some humanitarian work (though I'm not sure my physical disposition could tolerate too much physical hardship). If I was very wealthy I'd probably also be somewhat influential - I'd try to use this to encourage people to think about issues that I think are important. I definitely wouldn't want to retire and be a lazy rich person who was no longer involved in the world around them. This question is actually kind of hard because I can't imagine myself becoming a very wealthy person - but if I did I'd like to think I'd do the philanthropy thing, give my money away to help ease the suffering of others. And to educational and health institutions. Perhaps indulge in a few luxuries - like a nice car, or maybe start collecting things - like nice cars, or nice musical instruments. Oh and this is important, assuming my parents were still alive, I'd use my wealth to give them everything that they wanted.

[aestrivex]

Hellothere, you sound.. far more Ni Se here then Si Ne...

i totally disagree.

[aestrivex]

Hi Expat, I've been admiring from afar your clarity of thought (maybe thats not the right phrase... perhaps just your general 'logicalness'), and I came across this thread, so I'd really like to see what you can glean from my answers:

1) I'd like to read, keep educating myself, keep up to date with what was happening in the world. Take care of my parents and make sure my kids (if I have any) are happy, give them guidance. I'd like to spend peaceful time outside, walking around, observing nature, by myself or with one other person. I'd like some hobby that I could keep myself occupied with, not have to think too much - a way to relax and be productive - like making music, or crafting musical instruments. I'd like to spend time with my friends, talking about their lives, reminiscing, laughing, discussing opinions on current issues. The house I live in wouldn't be too important, as long as it was aesthetically pleasing to me/not too stark. I think living somewhere far away from the city would be nice in a way, but I think I'd want to have more contact with what was happening in the world. Still making some contribution to other people's lives. Maybe catch up on the things that I would have liked to do in my youth, but felt like I shouldn't waste my time doing because there were other things I could have only done when I was young.

2) Assuming I grow out of my shyness, I'd like to travel around the world, learn about other people's lives and cultures (I'd only do this if I had a lot of money because otherwise travel wouldn't be very high on a list of things to do with my money). Perhaps do some humanitarian work (though I'm not sure my physical disposition could tolerate too much physical hardship). If I was very wealthy I'd probably also be somewhat influential - I'd try to use this to encourage people to think about issues that I think are important. I definitely wouldn't want to retire and be a lazy rich person who was no longer involved in the world around them. This question is actually kind of hard because I can't imagine myself becoming a very wealthy person - but if I did I'd like to think I'd do the philanthropy thing, give my money away to help ease the suffering of others. And to educational and health institutions. Perhaps indulge in a few luxuries - like a nice car, or maybe start collecting things - like nice cars, or nice musical instruments. Oh and this is important, assuming my parents were still alive, I'd use my wealth to give them everything that they wanted.

my first impressions, particularly from this first answer, are delta ST. your answers in a lot of ways resemble those of delta STs that i know. you show elements of everything i might expect from delta STs; a desire "to keep educating myself" sounds very TeSi. also the desire for "a way to relax and be productive," especially by making something yourself (ie crafting musical instruments, which is precisely what my SLI dad does for a living), seems typical of delta STs. you said some bullshit about the importance of looking after family which sounded very very similar to an LSE i know. you also associate with humanitarianism and philanthropy, which is also very typically delta.



also, @ hkkmr above, the very fact that he mentions that aesthetic conditions are important is suggestive. an Ni type would never even think about aesthetic conditions; it's just the most irrelevant thing ever. my dad probably shares a reasonably similar viewpoint to this guy above.

also the influential wealth thing; i find it hard to associate that with anything. i don't know where you see Ni/Se in it.



if i had to guess, i would say SLI.

[aestrivex]

I would like to live in big city where all the amenities of modern life was close by, beautiful view from a high place. I want to be surrounded by beauty and comfort, it would not be a large place I do not mind if it was crowded as long as I had a sanctuary I could retire to.
At home, I would spend a lot of time learning to cook, enjoying good food. Spend a lot of time with a big happy family, having them over, meals, hoist some brew.. Maybe I'll have to hold back on the liqueur.

I would start the day by taking a walk thru the city in the day with my loved ones and friends to see and watch people as they grow, sit down at a local cafe/tearoom for tea. After my walk, I would retire to my sanctuary and study the world and the things within it, perhaps coming out and discussing my ideas with my friends and family, even writing some books were my ideas lucid and clear. I would have guests over quite often, entertain them and debate with them about how the world worked, not really to narrow down a issue but to expand our horizons and ideas, to keep everything fresh and new, as if we were still young. I would really enjoy people showing up unexpected every so often with some new idea of story, it would really be exciting. This would be my routine.. It is not really different then how I live my life now, except no working for money and a big happy family.

When the weather got too cold or hot, I would retire to a place where the weather was more comfortable, perhaps keeping a home in a more hospitable place for a couple of month a year, or even two.

Fe/Ti valuing, at least.

possibly some EP temperament. ILE looks more likely than SLE.

[Iconoclast IX]

This test has worked well so far although it may need follow-up questions.

1) How do you imagine yourself spending your retirement - assuming you retire in comfortable, but realistic circumstances (unless you're rich anyway)? What would you like to do, and how would you spend your day, where would you prefer to live? Etc.


2) Same question, but suppose you would retire as a very wealthy person. What would you do then? Laze about in Tahiti like Marlon Brando? Devote yourself to flying around the world like Richard Branson? Etc etc.

1.) I don't plan on retirement.

2.) (See above).

[hellothere]

Hi Expat, I've been admiring from afar your clarity of thought (maybe thats not the right phrase... perhaps just your general 'logicalness'), and I came across this thread, so I'd really like to see what you can glean from my answers:

1) I'd like to read, keep educating myself, keep up to date with what was happening in the world. Take care of my parents and make sure my kids (if I have any) are happy, give them guidance. I'd like to spend peaceful time outside, walking around, observing nature, by myself or with one other person. I'd like some hobby that I could keep myself occupied with, not have to think too much - a way to relax and be productive - like making music, or crafting musical instruments. I'd like to spend time with my friends, talking about their lives, reminiscing, laughing, discussing opinions on current issues. The house I live in wouldn't be too important, as long as it was aesthetically pleasing to me/not too stark. I think living somewhere far away from the city would be nice in a way, but I think I'd want to have more contact with what was happening in the world. Still making some contribution to other people's lives. Maybe catch up on the things that I would have liked to do in my youth, but felt like I shouldn't waste my time doing because there were other things I could have only done when I was young.

2) Assuming I grow out of my shyness, I'd like to travel around the world, learn about other people's lives and cultures (I'd only do this if I had a lot of money because otherwise travel wouldn't be very high on a list of things to do with my money). Perhaps do some humanitarian work (though I'm not sure my physical disposition could tolerate too much physical hardship). If I was very wealthy I'd probably also be somewhat influential - I'd try to use this to encourage people to think about issues that I think are important. I definitely wouldn't want to retire and be a lazy rich person who was no longer involved in the world around them. This question is actually kind of hard because I can't imagine myself becoming a very wealthy person - but if I did I'd like to think I'd do the philanthropy thing, give my money away to help ease the suffering of others. And to educational and health institutions. Perhaps indulge in a few luxuries - like a nice car, or maybe start collecting things - like nice cars, or nice musical instruments. Oh and this is important, assuming my parents were still alive, I'd use my wealth to give them everything that they wanted.

my first impressions, particularly from this first answer, are delta ST. your answers in a lot of ways resemble those of delta STs that i know. you show elements of everything i might expect from delta STs; a desire "to keep educating myself" sounds very TeSi. also the desire for "a way to relax and be productive," especially by making something yourself (ie crafting musical instruments, which is precisely what my SLI dad does for a living), seems typical of delta STs. you said some bullshit about the importance of looking after family which sounded very very similar to an LSE i know. you also associate with humanitarianism and philanthropy, which is also very typically delta.

lol cool. yeah I thought your dad was pretty awesome. I wonder though if I've described the things I hope I can be, rather than who I realistically am. Maybe what I've described are the people I value, or some convoluted combination of who I am and who I'd like to be. Expat, do you have any thoughts (it is your test after all)?

[Ezra]

Second one, I can't be arsed any more. Seeing the world isn't that important to me now. No, if I was wealthy, I'd invest most of it in ethical stuff, and then donate a load to charity. I'd probably travel around Britain and sort it all out. Or I'd become a politician.

WTF.

[Nexus]

The ones I have investigated more thoroughly are:

1) Your retirement: how do you imagine spending the time of your retirement, in comfortable but not wealthy circumstances? What would you do, how would you spend your time, etc? Any goals?

The same question, assuming that you retire as a wealthy person: what would you do with unlimited time (and money)?

2) Failure as monarch: imagine that you are a king, or the like, with real power. Now, imagine further that you were a total failure, so much so that people want to depose you. In that situation, where do you think you'd be most likely to have failed?

There are of course no "correct" answers, just say what you think would happen.

1. I see no need to retire, as I try to fulfill my standards as I live in the present...I may abandon my own attempts to deduce novel formulations and simply critique the work of others in various fields, however I would continue to read the current research and attend seminars on any topics of interest and my goals would remain the same: to define and justify a rational ontology...if wealthy I might equip facilities in my very own research institution and associate myself as a think tank, hiring notable individuals to pursue a career investigating scientific fields that are not inherently profitable or otherwise considered insignificant by politicians...

2. If I were to be deposed it would be because of my predisposition to support a free market economy, my initiative to maintain and equip a large and sophisticated standing army, my decision to legalize consenting or autonomous behaviors (like deviant sexuality, assisted suicide, drug abuse, and abortion) and deny assistance to self-serving lobbyists and the poor. I would also try to promote an objective press and facilitate communication regarding the quality of goods and services for the consumer. I would destroy the judicial and legislative bureaucracies (which are often quite easily corrupted and always inconsistent) and enact law myself to be literally interpreted and fully enforced. I like to see myself in this regard as an enlightened despot, therefore dissent would not be accommodated in my rationale and I could not predict where I would be likely to fail (if I am truly powerful).

I very much appreciate that you are assisting me in determining my type. This thread may also be useful to you: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ad.php?t=19364

[iAnnAu]

Hey Expat, this thread is ancient and huge, so I don't *expect* a response, but FWIW here's my answers (and if you do respond, I admit curiosity!):

1) Your retirement: how do you imagine spending the time of your retirement, in comfortable but not wealthy circumstances? What would you do, how would you spend your time, etc? Any goals?
Not to go too deeply into the reasons at the moment, but a large part of me doubts I will live to retirement. Partly because I have organs damaged from a car wreck that are likely to fail earlier than my natural lifespan, and partly because I have a tendency to do physically risky activities like freeclimbing - and even though I am scrupulously careful in navigating such challenges, mistakes and the unexpected are always possible. But there's also the possibility that I may live to 100, like my Granny who still lives by herself (actually, she's "only" 96). In such a case, I think I would be living much like I already do, seeking adventure and intellectual stimulation - though obviously I will be forced to acknowledge physical limitations. I don't see having kids, thus no grandkids, and I'm not particularly pulled toward service unless it otherwise fulfills the above two interests (for example, I might join an aid-NGO to get to travel to untouristy destinations). I have considered that joining an elder commune - that is, a community designed to be as self-sufficient unto itself as possible whose members are above a certain age, usually 60 - could be a good way to keep connected to the fulfillment of my own needs as well as provide a social outlet with my peer group, but that option is one I can take into more serious consideration closer to the age of joining anyway.

The same question, assuming that you retire as a wealthy person: what would you do with unlimited time (and money)?
The only thing this would change is maybe I would feel like undertaking some philanthropy as an outlet for my adventurin' nature - for example, maybe form my own aid-NGO, or start my own elder commune. And obviously, in my particular circumstances, I would seek replacement organs ... or, if the technology exists by that time, in which case it will almost assuredly be monstrously expensive, rejuvenation treatments! Otherwise, more money just means more traveling and better-cultivated intellectual outlets.

2) Failure as monarch: imagine that you are a king, or the like, with real power. Now, imagine further that you were a total failure, so much so that people want to depose you. In that situation, where do you think you'd be most likely to have failed?
Planning. I can organize what's there, I can learn from the past, and I can project into the (very) near future with great efficiency. But the further out I project, intentions fade into a broad haze, and I not only lose my confidence in making decisions for anyone, especially others, but also I begin to lose interest. And the running of a state requires some pretty intense planning - witness the abominable living standards of the USSR. Most people consider corruption the worst aspect of the failed Soviet experiment - but I think planning may have been an even bigger factor in just how badly it self-destructed.
(FTR, I'm sure there would be other shortcomings if I were a monarch. But that would probably be the clearest.)