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    Default Slavoj Zizek

    A famous Slovenian philosopher. Known for political stances on Socialism and attempts at running for office in Slovenia. His teachings on French psychoanalyst Jacques Lacan, materialism vs idealism, and numerous other subjects have made him a "celebrity" of sorts in the European intellectual community, and his influence is beginning to bleed into mainstream American academia as he tours college campuses (mine included ).

    I'm pretty sure of his type. Any thoughts?

     










    Slavoj quotes:

    "When I really love someone, I can only show it by making aggressive and bad-taste remarks." — Slavoj Zizek

    "You could say, in a vulgar Freudian way, that I am the unhappy child who escapes into books. Even as a child, I was most happy being alone. This has not changed." — Slavoj Zizek

    "Humanity is OK, but 99% of people are boring idiots." — Slavoj Zizek

    "In contrast to the situation in 1945, the world does not need the US; it is the US that needs the rest of the world." — Slavoj Zizek

    "Words are never 'only words'; they matter because they define the contours of what we can do." — Slavoj Zizek

    "We feel free because we lack the very language to articulate our unfreedom."

    "As soon as we renounce fiction and illusion, we lose reality itself; the moment we subtract fictions from reality, reality itself loses its discursive-logical consistency."

    "I am a good Hegelian. If you have a good theory, forget about the reality."

    "Do not blame people and their attitudes: the problem is not corruption or greed, the problem is the system that pushes you to be corrupt. The solution is not, "Main Street, not Wall Street," but to change the system where Main Street cannot function without Wall Street."

    "Because the horror of Communism, Stalinism, is not that bad people do bad things — they always do. It's that good people do horrible things thinking they are doing something great."

    "We're not dreamers. We're awaking from a dream turning into a nightmare. We're not destroying anything. We're watching the system destroy itself."

    "Our biological body itself is a form of hardware that needs re-programming through tantra like a new spiritual software which can release or unblock its potential."

    "I’m not a good father. There is something ridiculous in asserting my dignity which I resist automatically. My teenage son identifies with this undermining of my own authority. When he was 14, I was mad at him and used a vulgar expression in Slovenian: “Let the dog fuck your mother.” He replied: “That already happened 15 years ago. That’s how I was born."

    "I’m unable to have one-night stands. In my city, Ljubljana, you can tell exactly which women I’ve slept with, because I married them."

    "When we are shown scenes of starving children in Africa, with a call for us to do something to help them, the underlying ideological message is something like: "Don't think, don't politicize, forget about the true causes of their poverty, just act, contribute money, so that you will not have to think!"

    "The liberal idea of tolerance is more and more a kind of intolerance. What it means is 'Leave me alone; don't harass me; I'm intolerant towards your over-proximity."

    "The problem for us is not are our desires satisfied or not. The problem is how do we know what we desire."

    "If you have reasons to love someone, you don’t love them. ... Love feels like a great misfortune, a monstrous parasite, a permanent state of emergency that ruins all small pleasures."

    "In a traditional German toilet, the hole into which shit disappears after we flush is right at the front, so that shit is first laid out for us to sniff and inspect for traces of illness. In the typical French toilet, on the contrary, the hole is at the back, i.e. shit is supposed to disappear as quickly as possible. Finally, the American (Anglo-Saxon) toilet presents a synthesis, a mediation between these opposites: the toilet basin is full of water, so that the shit floats in it, visible, but not to be inspected. [...] It is clear that none of these versions can be accounted for in purely utilitarian terms: each involves a certain ideological perception of how the subject should relate to excrement. Hegel was among the first to see in the geographical triad of Germany, France and England an expression of three different existential attitudes: reflective thoroughness (German), revolutionary hastiness (French), utilitarian pragmatism (English). In political terms, this triad can be read as German conservatism, French revolutionary radicalism and English liberalism. [...] The point about toilets is that they enable us not only to discern this triad in the most intimate domain, but also to identify its underlying mechanism in the three different attitudes towards excremental excess: an ambiguous contemplative fascination; a wish to get rid of it as fast as possible; a pragmatic decision to treat it as ordinary and dispose of it in an appropriate way. It is easy for an academic at a round table to claim that we live in a post-ideological universe, but the moment he visits the lavatory after the heated discussion, he is again knee-deep in ideology."




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    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Ne-ILE or NE-LII
    Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

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    Negatory
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    still say alpha NT.

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    SLE logical sub. Listening to his basic explanations of some concepts is like picking grains of salt out of a pepper shaker. Not much Ne to speak of, but he's got more Ti than #22 on the periodic table.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    SLE logical sub. Listening to his basic explanations of some concepts is like picking grains of salt out of a pepper shaker. Not much Ne to speak of, but he's got more Ti than #22 on the periodic table.
    Ah, so that's why it's so easy for me to understand what he says?
    Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

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    Probably, although I didn't know that to be the case with anyone He claims to simplify Lacan, but he really only succeeds in butchering and popularizing it, IMO
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilligan
    but he's got more Ti than #22 on the periodic table.
    That's one of the nerdiest jokes I've ever heard on this forum... which is quite an accomplisment.
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by vague
    Rocky's posts are as enjoyable as having wisdom teeth removed.

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    I try.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I hate to say it, but it's somehow worse then niffweed. :/
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by vague
    Rocky's posts are as enjoyable as having wisdom teeth removed.

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    I'm over it.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    I hate to say it, but it's somehow worse then niffweed. :/
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    take me back. i'll do anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    I hate to say it, but it's somehow worse then niffweed. :/
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    take me back. i'll do anything.
    OK, what's the 84th decimal of pi; go, NOW.
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by vague
    Rocky's posts are as enjoyable as having wisdom teeth removed.

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    √7

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    I have a prof. who calls this guy "Slavvy Z." She studied with him at UChicago, and says that in person, that he's pretty much a thoughtless lecher...
    Some of his articles don't seem well-researched.

    ENTp (?)

    I know that there's a movie about him--haven't seen it though.

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    Yeah, I've seen it. The guy is a total riot, but he's smart as fuck. However, he tends to complicate just about everything that he explains, which is the antithesis of ILE-dom, plus he's Beta off the wall; thus, SLE logical.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Waait. Since when complicating things that one explains is a trait of SLEs??
    Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

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    Weak Ne...less of an ability (or at least more effort required) to understand and explain concepts in their most basic, essential terms.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Default Slavoj Zizek

    This guy is awesome.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavoj_zizek









    My impression of his type was INTp.

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    It gets better...


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    Edit: I am debating this.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    This man is clearly an ENTp , that's for sure!

    He is promoting changes, new ways of thinking, etc
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

    To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.

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    OK. I could be swayed to that position.

    In case this is relevant, though, he is very much a Narrator rather than Taciturn.


    This is the most awkward thing I've seen in a long time:


    Would have called it ESFj-INTp conflict if I hadn't known better.
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    I've typed him as LII after watching through several of his lectures. Gilly was right in that he's loaded with Ti but his Se PoLR was all to evident. He sees no issues with supporting his lectures by examples and analogies drawn from fictional stories, movies, and even cartoons (in one video he talked about Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter movie in support of his points, lol) i.e. he's relying on the kind of fictive, immaterial evidence that is not going to be seriously considered in Se valuing quadra. It's imaginative and entertaining to listen to, but from his lecture it was immediately evident to me that he's oblivious to Se. Additionally, the whole coming up with "radical ideas" aka possessing the 9th sense for alternatives is mentioned repeatedly in LII profiles.


    Extended typing: LII-Ne so/sp 5w4.


    I very much doubt that he's an ethical type:




    In this interview, Slavoj seems to read Charlie Rose's mind and complete each other's thoughts - a point for them being identicals LII x LII.




    quotes:

    "I believe in clear-cut positions. I think that the most arrogant position is this apparent, multidisciplinary modesty of "what I am saying now is not unconditional, it is just a hypothesis," and so on. It really is a most arrogant position. I think that the only way to be honest and expose yourself to criticism is to state clearly and dogmatically where you are. You must take the risk and have a position." - (rational?)

    "I hate writing. I so intensely hate writing — I cannot tell you how much. The moment I am at the end of one project I have the idea that I didn’t really succeed in telling what I wanted to tell, that I need a new project — it’s an absolute nightmare. But my whole economy of writing is in fact based on an obsessional ritual to avoid the actual act of writing."

    "I think that the task of philosophy is not to provide answers, but to show how the way we perceive a problem can be itself part of a problem."

    "We feel free because we lack the very language to articulate our unfreedom."

    "I found there, on the central square, a café that miraculously worked through this emergency. I remember they had wonderful strawberry cakes, and I was sitting there eating strawberry cakes and watching Russian tanks against demonstrators. It was perfect."

    "With Lenin it was always a substantial commitment. I always have a certain admiration for people who are aware that somebody has to do the job. What I hate about these liberal, pseudo-left, beautiful soul academics is that they are doing what they are doing fully aware that somebody else will do the job for them." - (LII-SLE supervision?)
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    Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    slavoj is adorable


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    He is, when he flaps his hands uncontrollably as if trying to catch a mosquito by the balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfckr View Post
    The EIE typing makes the most sense.

    I usually don't mind listening to him bc he often makes interesting critiques I haven't thought of before.
    Yes, EIE. He is great.
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    from his appearance and mannerisms i would have approximated the same for zizek, but my impression of how he communicates is that it is atypical of ENTps. he doesn't have the same slant towards being systematic & self-consistent with his arguments, tying all the loose ends into a neat little knot (which is a recurring theme IME w/ ENTps). he's a lot more comfortable with being completely scattered, touching only superficially on topics and then moving on very quickly to the next -- i'm not sure how to describe it, but in my mind it appears as a constant stream of images contorting in and out of focus because i can't predict whatsoever where the topic is leading up to, and in the end i'm left more confused than i started out with. i tend to correlate this w/ Beta Ni in my mind.

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    ILE-Ni

    Type by intelligent design. Five apples, one orange. Throw out the orange.

    ILE-Ni examples: AmazingAtheist, Larry Flynt, Charles Manson

    Zizek squeezes in right between Amazing Atheist and Larry Flynt. It's such a fabulous fit....that Will Hunting said it best.

    how do you like them apples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill4Me View Post
    ILE-Ni

    Type by intelligent design. Five apples, one orange. Throw out the orange.

    ILE-Ni examples: AmazingAtheist, Larry Flynt, Charles Manson

    Zizek squeezes in right between Amazing Atheist and Larry Flynt. It's such a fabulous fit....that Will Hunting said it best.

    how do you like them apples
    ILE-Ne?
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    yeah, good look.

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    i could see that, or EIE.

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    maybe they are duals with the pussy riot frontwoman

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    EIE-Ni, possibly 3, 6...

    edit: his 'preferred' method of suicide being falling down a spiral staircase is pretty 3-esque, lol.

    he's also a good example of algorithmic thinking, in the way he takes phrases/anecdotess/jokes etc. in this disparate way and develops context between them.
    4w3-5w6-8w7

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