me

[Joy]

Assuming that dichotomies are spectrums...

Extremely strong dichotomies:
Dynamic (more so than any)
Resolute (a very close second)
Declarer (that's one reason I piss people off lol)
Strategist (I lack Tactics mindset almost to the point of detriment)
Positivism

Strong dichotomies:
Serious
Democratic
Emotivism
Careless

Leaning towards:
Compliance
Extroversion
Rationality
Result

most recent pics (that I can post here lol)

[Joy]

oh yeah, erotic attitudes:

Victim > Aggressor > Caregiver/Infantile

[.thursday]

[FDG]

truth

[ScanDave]

Look like all the ESFps I know.

[implied]

you do look ESFp in those pics!

[vague]

Editing

[eunice]

You look like an ESFp, but write like an ENTj.

[XoX]

I put here Joy's pics and some alleged ENTj and ESFp pics from socionics.us and socionico.net so you can compare...

ESFp





ENTj

[Joy]

I come bearing photos of the only celebrity I look lik:





lol and here's O'Reilly using the force:

[XoX]

As an opinion the first impression is that you could very well be ethical type.

For example I find this picture to be very expressive:


Your wide and staring eyes are very ESFp. Do you squint your eyes when you think? Squinting is a sign of using T-functions especially a sign of Ti (very pro opinion ). So not squinting is a sign an ethical type and I think Ti-PoLR types don't really squint at all. (don't trust this observation too much but...)

But in order to make it more difficult these pics of you and the ENTj there are kinda similar except your face is again a bit more expressive:

[Joy]

Do you have Yahoo IM? You can see my webcam.

And that goes for anyone else, too. I think web cams are very useful for VI.

[implied]

i'm going to thread hog and ask if anyone wants to v.i. me on yahoo, too.


nick: spykitty808

[Slacker]

I wanted to put some ESTj photos too. Almost every conversation she has here seems to be about Te issues or Si issues. Which doesn't mean she's ESTj but I think it's worth looking at.

[Gilly]

Resolute, Declarer, Positivism, Aggressor

...

[Joy]

aggressor???

[Joy]

I wanted to put some ESTj photos too. Almost every conversation she has here seems to be about Te issues or Si issues. Which doesn't mean she's ESTj but I think it's worth looking at.

<3

ISTp > ESTj imo... http://the16types.no-ip.info/forums/...pic.php?t=5149

[Gilly]

aggressor???

ummm....YES. Joy, you're the typical man-eater lady at work that men are intimidated by but attracted to. It shows here just as much: whether it's the fact that you're (sometimes unnecessarily) confident, or are actually knowledgeable in something, some men inevitably cannot help but be threatened AND tempted at the same time. They'd like to work like you, but they'd rather work with you :wink:

Now, given the fact that here you have less of a physical presence here on the forum (which is important to you IRL, I'd wager) and are not often actually SEEN, the attraction factor is less, and since there are numerous people who are VERY knowledgeable who engage you at almost every chance, people tend not to be as intimidated. But the sheer fact that people DO like to contend with you on so many levels shows this same level of "threat:" whether its because people are insecure about their own understanding and are afraid of being outsmarted by a woman, or people more knowledgeable being afraid of you spreading misinformation or poor understanding, you still have a kind of power that literally forces people to engage you. This is what being a female aggressor is all about.

[Gilly]

bumpage for editting

[Joy]

aggressor???

ummm....YES. Joy, you're the typical man-eater lady at work that men are intimidated by but attracted to. They'd like to work like you, but they'd rather work with you :wink:

lol That's sorta true. How is that different than how female ENTjs act though?

I think in Gamma the victim/aggressor roles can look pretty similar, particularly with extroverted victims. If you look at my relationship with Peter, it's clear that he takes the aggressor role, whether I'm an aggressor as well or not.

And if I'm a Se type... why have there been like 5 Ni people (4 INTps, 1 ENFj) that I almost hooked up with but just ended up playing these frustrating "the ball's in your court" games with for months and months? Besides, there's no such thing as a Dynamic Aggressor.

[Joy]

aggressor???

you still have a kind of power that literally forces people to engage you. This is what being a female aggressor is all about.

<3

lol I don't know about the cause and effect relationship there though

[Slacker]

I think ENTjs can look aggressive in relationships. I dated this ENTj for a long time, and he'd continually say mean things to me and PISS ME OFF, which felt very aggressive to me. But looking back, I think he was baiting me and trying to get *me* to be aggressive. Which simply wasn't going to happen.

Those dichotomies can be hard to work with, because they aren't defined that well, and a lot of them can be misinterpreted or can look different based on life circumstances, IMO.

[Joy]

okay, here's my opinion of my type:

ENTj > INTp > ESFp > ISTp

there's nothing else that's even a remote chance

Most people here think I'm Gamma, and a lot are content to just leave it at that, it seems. Some of the Ti types insist I have a Ti PoLR because they don't understand what I'm saying a lot of the time, but that's not because of a Ti PoLR... it's because of Dynamicism and difficulty articulating my ideas.

I definitely see Ni as my strongest function.

[Gilly]

And if I'm a Se type... why have there been like 5 Ni people (4 INTps, 1 ENFj) that I almost hooked up with but just ended up playing these frustrating "the ball's in your court" games with for months and months? Besides, there's no such thing as a Dynamic Aggressor.

You have relationship problems. And I never said you were dynamic; I think Static/Dynamic is pretty imaginary as far actually observing it in someone's conscious behavior goes. I've never seen any kind of difference in behavior, self-perception, perception of reality, etc, so I'm pretty convinced at this point that it's either purely subconscious or altogether fake.

[FDG]

And if I'm a Se type... why have there been like 5 Ni people (4 INTps, 1 ENFj) that I almost hooked up with but just ended up playing these frustrating "the ball's in your court" games with for months and months? Besides, there's no such thing as a Dynamic Aggressor.

You have relationship problems. And I never said you were dynamic; I think Static/Dynamic is pretty imaginary as far actually observing it in someone's conscious behavior goes. I've never seen any kind of difference in behavior, self-perception, perception of reality, etc, so I'm pretty convinced at this point that it's either purely subconscious or altogether fake.

I completely and entirely agree.

[Joy]

And if I'm a Se type... why have there been like 5 Ni people (4 INTps, 1 ENFj) that I almost hooked up with but just ended up playing these frustrating "the ball's in your court" games with for months and months? Besides, there's no such thing as a Dynamic Aggressor.

You have relationship problems.

The number of relationships I've had shows if anything that it's easier for me to get with people than it is for most people. Having had relationship problems doesn't make it make sense that I couldn't for the life of me hook up with 4 INTps who wanted to date me.

And I never said you were dynamic

oh yeah.... well, your dichotomy choices would make me an ISTj

I think Static/Dynamic is pretty imaginary as far actually observing it in someone's conscious behavior goes. I've never seen any kind of difference in behavior, self-perception, perception of reality, etc, so I'm pretty convinced at this point that it's either purely subconscious or altogether fake.

I totally disagree. In some people this dichotomy doesn't stand out, but in some it does. Like I said, I think of the dichotomies as spectrums. Anyone who is very Static (generally EPs) or very Dynamic really stands out to me.

Assuming that dichotomies are spectrums...

Extremely strong dichotomies:
Dynamic (more so than any)
Resolute (a very close second)
Declarer (that's one reason I piss people off lol)
Strategist (I lack Tactics mindset almost to the point of detriment)
Positivism

Strong dichotomies:
Serious
Democratic
Emotivism
Careless

Leaning towards:
Compliance
Extroversion
Rationality
Result

[Joy]

Would anyone be interested in me doing a breakdown of the Stratiyevskaya descriptions the way Diana did? I would be willing to do ENTj, ESFp, and INTp (I think lol). Maybe others after that, depending on how soon I'm able to get to work and my project.

[Joy]

oh yeah, my Yahoo ID is charismatic_irony

I look pretty out of it a lot of the time, but I think VI could still work... though I prolly look more Si when I'm all drugged up lol.

[Gilly]

No. It's a waste of time, and Stratevskayas descriptions are really not that good at all, IMO; WAY overhyped. If you really want to use descriptions, use Aushras.

Wait a minute...why would we trust you, of all people, to do an accurate self-analysis?!?!?!

[Gilly]

I look pretty out of it a lot of the time, but I think VI could still work... though I prolly look more Si when I'm all drugged up lol.

Why the hell would meds make you look Si? Because you're relaxed?

[Joy]

link me

[Joy]

btw, I maintain that type descriptions should be written by someone of the same quadra... I'm sure the Stratiyevskaya ENTp description sucks ass.

[FDG]

btw, I maintain that type descriptions should be written by someone of the same quadra... I'm sure the Stratiyevskaya ENTp description sucks ass.

Did you read it? It's even funny - it's all like "ENTps are slackers, ENTps have ideas that mean nothing, they argue a lot for nothing, they have zero professionalism, and they like to party and eat all the time"

[Gilly]

btw, I maintain that type descriptions should be written by someone of the same quadra... I'm sure the Stratiyevskaya ENTp description sucks ass.

It's loads better than her ESI description. Less favorable, perhaps, but infinitely more accurate and verifiable.

I'm not going to take the time to find them and link you, because I honestly would rather you not clutter up a potentially productive thread with useless drivel

[Joy]

btw, I maintain that type descriptions should be written by someone of the same quadra... I'm sure the Stratiyevskaya ENTp description sucks ass.

Did you read it? It's even funny - it's all like "ENTps are slackers, ENTps have ideas that mean nothing, they argue a lot for nothing, they have zero professionalism, and they like to party and eat all the time"

LMAO

sounds comical, I should read it

lol It even sounds sorta like the stuff peter says about his brother. "He's always talking about some new theory that he like, read about on some random site on the internet. He talks about it like it's true and this really big thing, but he has no idea what he's talking about and there's no actual basis in reality or any sort of proof for the stuff he says. He knows the stuff he says is ridiculous, too, but he doesn't care. He always has some off the wall scheme for something he's going to do but he never follows through on it. 'hehe I'm going to join the merchant marines.' He's just totally irresponsible and doesn't think anything through."

[Joy]

I'm not going to take the time to find them and link you, because I honestly would rather you not clutter up a potentially productive thread with useless drivel

that was uncalled for

[Gilly]

How was that uncalled for? Suck it up: I think your self analysis is shitty, and I'm not going to waste time, frustration, and energy for no purpose at all.

[Gilly]

Oh, and since when are you the picture of ethicality? You've got to go to law school before you can pick up the gavel, Joy...

[Joy]

How was that uncalled for? Suck it up: I think your self analysis is shitty, and I'm not going to waste time, frustration, and energy for no purpose at all.

I shouldn't describe myself in my type thread? Regardless of how well you think I understand myself, there's no need to say something so condescending. If you don't care what I say about how well I can relate to descriptions, you can say so without being disrespectful, and if I do it anyways, simply don't read or respond to them.

[Joy]

Oh, and since when are you the picture of ethicality? You've got to go to law school before you can pick up the gavel, Joy...

let's not argue