Just for curiosity.....
ISTj
ESTj
ISFj
ESFj
ISFp
ISTp
ESFp
ESTp
INFp
ENFp
INFj
ENFj
INTp
ENTp
INTj
ENTj
Alpha Quadra
Beta Quadra
Gamma Quadra
Delta Quadra
Just for curiosity.....
ethical
Ti > Te
that's all I got so far
lol I'd actually agree with that, but I'll wait and see what others say.Originally Posted by Joy
I am curious to do this again after I've posted a little more on these boards.
Agree with Joy. Leaning toward INFp.
IEI subtype
I think I'm sorta leaning towards Fe dominance at this point... but he could have creative Fe and just be a strong ethical subtype perhaps?
Undoubtly ENFp
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I'm not sure about that. I used to think so too.Originally Posted by FDG
However reading his posts recently... I don't know?
Or he might be a different sub-type, cuz something feels different.
INTp
sx/sp
Some of my close real life friends peg me as an INTj, so I really wouldn't be surprised if their were differing opinions on the matter.Originally Posted by Mea
So... what do you think your type is?Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz
INTp
sx/sp
I think it changes with circumstances personallyOriginally Posted by Mea
I think ISTp and ISFp > ESFp and ESTp
I think Intuitive > Sensing
I think >
I think > > >
I think I have very little xSxj
but alot of my judgments are made intuitively
I could see myself INTj-INFj when I am slightly uncomfortable and need structure.
and ENFp, ENTp when I am comfortable around people
ISTp and ISFp when I am comfortable and by myself.
I think I act a little ENTj at work lol
and INTp when studying
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example being in engineering (my major)
I purely do it for the ISTp like craft of making stuff
but I go about engineering problems and stuff in an INTj way to accomplish ends
When I study stuff I am either INTp peicing together the theory with judging or I am ENTp thinking of possible utilizations and inventions with my imagination.
Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz
I dunno, I'm not that good at typing people.
However, I think I see
Let's see what the others say.
I'm curious too.
INTp
sx/sp
yea thats kind of why I made the poll, cause I really can't narrow it down....Originally Posted by Mea
I believe I am in the ego block though somewhere
You are definitely not a Te type and it's unlikely that you're a Fi type. I thought ENFp in the past, but it doesn't make sense anymore.
Explain. He seems to definitely have a Ti polr to me, and a Ne dominant function.Originally Posted by Joy
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A Ti PoLR is a possibility, but he is definitely not a Te type.
Oh, not Te dominant or creative function, I agree.Originally Posted by Joy
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Actually I think Ti>Te, with Te PoLR rather than Ti PoLR. Ti as hidden agenda. Ne > Ni I think. ISFp or, failing that, INFp.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
sounds good... failing that, ESFj or ENFj
Nope, please. Look at the reactions when I criticize Ti (logic!)Originally Posted by Expat
And look at the ideas and stuff. NO Ni dominant to date ever posted so much trying to make something new out of socionics (because it's definitely not what they do), but rather that's what I've seen ENTps and ENFps doing.
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He's not trying to make something new, he's assuming he understands things that he doesn't.
First he did that, then he's trying to make something new. And the IxFps are SHY about their understanding of things. That's why they have Ti HA. Otherwise they would be resistant to any explnation from ExTps, and that's precisely what HaveLucidDreamz does: being resistant.Originally Posted by Joy
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Is it really like this that IXFp - EXTp duality is supposed to work? I think it's more about the IXFp needing to EXTp to help them understand and refine the Ti concepts they already value, not to replace them with the EXTp's. If the IXFp and the EXTp have conflicting Ti concepts, they will have problems in that area just like two INTjs or two ISTjs.Originally Posted by FDG
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
YesOriginally Posted by Expat
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You don't see any value in the "conflicting Ti" point I raised?Originally Posted by FDG
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
Yeah, ok, but I think that:Originally Posted by Expat
If two Ti dominants having different ideas have the same conflict as a Ti creative and a Ti HA having different ideas, then it follows that the relations should be the same between them, no? Because if the relations are completementary, then the parties in duality should at least be perceptive to the advice in a realm in which they do not feel confident, whereas be stubborn in a realm in which they do feel confident.
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Originally Posted by Joy
this is a pretty haughty judgment, I simply disagree with the fact that a socionics type is fixed which is a problem with a basic premise of all this.
Second I don't explain things in full sometimes, because when I do its hyperanalytical and usually no one responds, so when I tend to cut corner people assume I'm saying something I am not.
However every topic I've laid out a full analysis it seems to go rather well.
1. I am not shy about my understanding of socionics, I don't know where you got that from, I just hate to be told by others "you don't know what your talking about", cause well I usually think before I open my mouth and tend to know what I am talking about.Originally Posted by FDG
2. I don't like ESTp's as the main thing, because well they are always talk talk talk, at least certain ESTp's.... and I find they are usually 95% talk and 5% action or knowledge, and with no reserves telling people what to do (being very direct). Don't take offense to that one FDG, I am refering to someone outside of this forum in particular.
We're not talking about specific things (like if types changed) here, we're talking about the whole concept. Model A, functions, ect. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to have this idea that Socionics is personality type theory.
Well I understand Model A, I understand that their is 8 different psyche slots and 8 different functions that fit into these and they all play a role as to how a person's temparment is.Originally Posted by Joy
temparment is seperate from personality because temparment is consider to be inset from birth and is a general tendancy to act a certain way. Where as personality is the manifestation of the temparment. I think if I were to be technical this would be a "temparment" theory, but personality type theory fits more intuitive with the english language.....
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personality
b. the organized pattern of behavioral characteristics of the individual
correct me if I am wrong but does that not fit well to the idea of model, an organized pattern of functions within a psyche model ?
so well if this is wrong please explain.....
I get into trouble for assuming things which don't fit "nicely" in model A, but I feel make sense outside of model A. Hence why I am creating a new model.
oic
(I wouldn't call socionics types temperament or personality types, btw, because "temperament" is too broad and "personality" is too specific.)
Anyways, I voted Alpha.
Same here.Originally Posted by FDG
well I don't know what you'de call it but I'd be interested in hearing where I am wrong, if you'de be interested in pointing it out.Originally Posted by Joy
Hey Joy - why don't you think he's Fi?
I have no specific feelings but I get a bit of a Delta vibe. And I think Te > Ti because he said VI is "mystical shit" which is what I don't like about a lot of Ti talk.
This is not a very strong opinion though.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Re-read my sentence, sigh. I wasn't taking about you obviously. IxFps are shy about their understanding of things. You are not an IxFp. This means that I do not necessarily think that you are shy about your understanding of things. K?Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz
No offence, but 95 percent talk and 5 percent action? You could say that we tend to mess things up by acting too fast or too brash, or that we don't know what we're doing, but you probably have mystyped some ESFjs for ESTps, because uhmm, actually, "laconicness" is cited as one of the charateristics of ESTp as a type, and all the descriptions say "this type prefers to act rather than to speak". So, You might say "95 percent action and 5 percent knowledge", but otherwise, you're wrong.2. I don't like ESTp's as the main thing, because well they are always talk talk talk, at least certain ESTp's.... and I find they are usually 95% talk and 5% action or knowledge
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I haven't seen a lack of Fi... more like displays of Fe. I've seen no Ti or Te. That said, I'm going to bow out of this debate now. I don't have much to go on here, and much of my opinion on this particular matter is impartial. As time goes by I'm sure I'll form new opinions on his type, but not until I have more to go on.
1. Well you didn't explicited say you weren't pegging me as IxFp so I misunderstood that, my bad.Originally Posted by FDG
2. Well I don't know about your case, and I don't nessicarily mean socionics. The ESTp I typed was definitally an MBTI or Keirsey ESTp. He tend to act, but his action are all based around people and talk. He doesn't produce alot of results but instead tends to try to promote his way to get what he wants, and acts on impulse. Also he is analytical like and uses it to understand the social scene a very thing. So well I have said more or less this fits nicely into Socionics. Ummm, but by 'action' I don't mean purely doing something, but I mean accomplishing things and 'getting the job done'. He tends to just talk talk talk, go to parties, flaunt himself as being super-great. However he really doesn't do much else. If he wanted to lets say go to the beach for the weekend. Instead of get everything together call people up and get it started, he may instead convince a close friend to drive him on an impulse. Then talk his way to get what he needs, much like a con-artist or "smooth operator" type. This doesn't nessicarily mean he con's but I could see the guy doing it and rather well. He acts boldy and direct without hesitation but its all around people and its all talk to get them to do things for him. He himself actually is rather lazy and just takes in pleasures, if he wants to get something done its like his immediate thought is "I must persaude this person to do something for me, or strike a deal with them".
Oh yeah, okay, I can see that easily in some ESTps I know.
Besides, for the point 1)...
:wink:Undoubtly ENFp
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lol if you say soOriginally Posted by FDG
What I meant was, that I had already expressed that I thought you were not IxFp :wink:Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz
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Yea yea well I didn't know if you were changing your opinion or not...Originally Posted by FDG